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vale46User is Offline


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07/23/2009 3:33 PM  

Well the neighbor called animal control and they made a visit to our house. He asked some questions, looked at the dogs kennels and our house. He then wanted to see our dogs and my wife with nothing to hide let Bailey and Chloe out in the yard and let them be themselves. The animal control guy tried everything he could to get them to leave the yard and my wife even tried coaxing them with their favorite ball but to no avail they stayed put. He then played with them and deemed then not viscious. Who knows what will happen next. Oh and I spoke with my attorney today as well.

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07/23/2009 3:53 PM  
What did your attorney tell you? I hope the animal control visit will be the end of this. What a hassle when you and your dogs did nothing wrong.

Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

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vale46User is Offline


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07/23/2009 4:19 PM  

He told me that they really don't have a leg to stand on. The city has dog ordinances which they did not follow and they were neglegent and irresponsible. Hope the animal control is the end of it.

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07/23/2009 4:29 PM  
it would be rather ironic if after this.. the neighbors get fined by the city and the animal control for failing to obey the city dog ordinances.

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07/23/2009 7:16 PM  
Yup...shooting themselves in the foot...twice.


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07/24/2009 7:42 AM  

I feel sorry for the neighbors and the loss of their dog, but at the same time, if they end up getting fined by the City and Animal Control...
They deserve it for the way they have handled the situation.

Blaming your dogs and then calling Animal Control on you for a situation they themselves caused?

They are the reason this whole tragity happend. If they were responsible owners, the dog would never have been on your property.


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07/24/2009 8:00 AM  
I'm of the opinion that Bear was a pain in the arse to begin with. That's why they just let him out to do what he wanted until he came home. I see it all the time with kids. The parents just want the kids out of their hair. They didn't want to find the time to take care of him so they found the next best thing,roaming.


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07/24/2009 10:17 AM  

So, so sorry to hear of all the pain, aggravation and sorrow you going thur over this unfortunate incident.. My heart just breaks for you. On the brighter side, I can give you a solution to avoid this and any other unwanted neighborhood issues from happening again.  Put in a section of your backyard a 6 foot wooden privacy Doggy yard fence. We did that 5 years ago with for our Rocky boy and has worked just great. Winning reasons: I donot have to worry about unwanted dogs ect. from wandering in my yard. Prevents GSPs from barking out the fence at passer-bye people, skate boards, bikes ect. (Our backyard faces a rural road with fields for dogs to run in so every dog in our neighborhood is walked back there.) Rocky is a high lifted so prevents him from wandering over to neighbors plants. Gives us the power to pick and chose who can come into our fence. Also on a happy note I have been able to invite my Saluki Friend and her dogs to come over to play with Rocky. Been able to keep my son's Lab, Jackson who runs away over with ease of not worry about him running away. A six foot privacy fence is an investment. But well worth it to keep our GSPs and other dogs safe and secure. 


Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
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07/24/2009 10:27 AM  

Wrong time of the year now, But here is a good pic of our fence. You can see in the background the road and fields where everyone run their dogs. Rocky has no issues of barking with this fence


Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
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07/25/2009 10:11 PM  
The way this "Bear" seems to have wandered about for years, it should have come as no surprise to the family if he would have simply just not come home one time. An awful lot of harm could have come to him which they would never have known about - hit by a car blocks from home, picked up and re-homed, attacked/killed by predators, and so on. The fact that you made efforts to care for the poor thing should prove your character. I'm still shaking my head thinking this whole episode didn't even just occur on your property but INSIDE your garage. Hard to imagine anybody stretching this to reflect any negligence on your part.
vale46User is Offline


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07/29/2009 11:00 AM  

Well animal control came last night and took our dogs. The were deemed high risk and we have to appeal their decision. It seems the neighbor (not the owner of the dog) said I told here at a 4th of July get together that people better not any dog's come in my yard or my dog's will kill them and she also told animal control that my dogs were standing in our yard barking constantly and acting very agressive toward any body that would come near. If this goes to appeal I will make her take a lie dectector test. She is make this very personnal because she is a friend of that family. The lies keep going on and on.

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07/29/2009 11:27 AM  
OMG. I can't believe that. This is VILE!

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07/29/2009 11:43 AM  
Sorry to hear this. Maybe you can speak with the individuals who are caring for/observing your dogs and get an afffidavit from them stating their assessment of your dogs? Maybe you can get video of your dogs around adults,children and other dogs and animals?
I would also speak with one or 2 behaviorists. Not so much to assess your dogs but to give insight into how a dog can react when a strange dog enters their territory. How I see it,a dog is only worth putting down if it is human aggressive. I can avoid other dogs but not humans.
Do you have a Beware of Dogs sign hanging? If no one can confirm how Bear behaved when alone with your dogs no one can say if your dogs were acting in self defense. Maybe your dogs entered the garage and startled Bear and he attacked your dogs? Things I would check into-did Bear wear a collar,did it have a phone number and or address? How many hours a day Bear was let out to roam? Why were his owners not aware of his where abouts? Were the owners home at the time of his wanderings or away from the home.
Maybe Bear's owners need to prove their dog was of sound temperment.
What you need to do is get your dogs back. A lawyer can do this.
Good luck and keep us up to date,

Francine


"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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07/29/2009 12:11 PM  
Geez, as Charlie says there is a reason I like dogs better than people. What jerks. Talk to a lawyer, you may also want to file a civil suit against the folks that are speaking out (lying) in support of Bear, maybe defamation or something like that. Also, the lawyer can advise you on getting your dogs back. This is so unfortunate and should have ended with the animal control person's visit. Who deemed them high risk? Did the animal control person that visited you file a report? If so, you should get a copy of the report. I would also get a witnessed statement from your vet, etc. The lawyer can help you with all of that. Also, if you have done any formal training with your dogs the certificates would be good to have in hand. Also, if you have a CGC. All would help in establishing the behavior of your dogs.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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07/29/2009 12:12 PM  
This just makes me sick -- I hope your laywer is successful -- your top priority must be regaining your dogs -- I'd also make sure your laywer is willing to pursue these people -- they certainly seem to have a lot of liability here by bearing false witness -- I mean really -- a dog enters your home and you are responsible for it's well being? As as a side note, this is the thing many of us are fearing even more -- animal control that has too much reach and power and can make decisions and affect our lives deeply without a true understanding of what they are doing. Good luck.

Dave

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07/29/2009 12:23 PM  
Even better, the person who deemed them high risk, - find out what credetials they have to make this judgement.
It's like fighting a parking ticket. Find fault with the system. Officer clocked you at 90mph,ask when the last time the radar was calibrated.
And stay calm. Speaking with officails gets you no where if you show excitable behavior.


"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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07/29/2009 12:26 PM  

Oh my gosh - I am so sorry for all that you're going through   First of all, I definitely think you did nothing wrong with the whole Bear situation.  Now I do NOT understand how they could have come and taken your dogs after the animal control guy who was there played with them and witnessed that they were not dangerous, aggressive, etc?  Please keep us posted on the status of getting them back.  If your current attorney isn't moving things fast enough, I would move onto a second attorney and so on until I found one that did.  My heart seriously breaks for you.

Hope they come home soon.

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07/29/2009 1:07 PM  

Build a secure privacy fence in your backyard so you can prove to the judge, your dogs will be in a secured   invironment at all times. Do not allow your dogs in open areas in your yard where a neighboring dog could wander and be at risk. Only allow your dogs out when you are physically taking them on walks with a leash. Your dogs will be no threat to the neighbors dog as the neighbor dog will not physically be able to go in your dog's fenced yard. Sad it has to come to this. Life is not fair  When you think about it, many of us know of dogs who would be a threat to kids, other dogs ect. But our neighbors have these dogs in a secure fenced backyard, never letting them run free in their yard. Many of us walk by with our dogs on leash and here barking dogs in their fenced backyard. We donot worry about these dogs running out at us as they are in a secured fence. Plan of correction for the Judge: "We are going to build a secure fence in our backyard to secure our dogs and prevent other dogs in the neighborhood from wandering in our yard." Should have your dogs back in no time with plan.  My heart just breaks for you. Hope you get your dogs home soon. You are deep in my prayers.

 


Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
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TessaGAUser is Offline
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07/29/2009 1:18 PM  
It's ironic, that they will need to go through the EXPENSE of a fence to keep other people's dogs off their property. That is just plain wrong, but a valid point, if that helps to get the dogs back, which I am sure is the main objective right now.


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MarieUser is Offline
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07/29/2009 1:44 PM  

Oh TessaGA.!!! I saw my retired dog loving neighbors go thur a sad similar tragic thing. Their Greyhound mix, bit the UPS delivery guy in the leg causing puncture while he was delivering a package to their house. This couple was able to keep the dog as they proved to the judge, they had a secure fenced backyard. Would not let the dog run free out front in their yard. Finally would only take their Greyhound mix on leash walks when out in the neighborhood. They never lost the dog, kept the dog for years afterwards without further incident.


Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
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