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07/19/2009 10:41 AM  

So I discovered some swelling on Tundra's nose yesterday. It is all bumpy and looks like little pimples but no puss or anything comes out of them. This morning they are open soars. They have a raw look to them. They don't seem to be bothering her like it itches or anything and her breathing is normal. Any thoughts? Unless it gets MAJORLY worse like covering her entire face or her breathing is effected I am going to wait til Monday to take her to the vet. I gave her some Benedryl last night but it didn't seem to help. Thoughts?

 


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07/19/2009 5:05 PM  
It looks like some kind of allergic reaction , although I don't see any redness or swelling in her eyes. I would take her to the Vet to be sure. She could have put her nose into some kind of vegetation that she's allergic to.
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07/19/2009 7:42 PM  

Ouch! Not sure what it could be but you may want to try hot compresses, they really helped when Tessa's nose looked like this:


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07/19/2009 8:52 PM  

I'm not completely positive,  but that sure looks like poison oak. Not sure if dogs can be allergic to it or not but i've had it enough times,  thats what it looks like. If its poison oak I would just make sure you don't use heat on it. I would just make sure it stays dry.

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07/19/2009 8:58 PM  
With poison oak though wouldn't my husband and I get it too? I will be talking to the vet first thing in the AM. I will keep you all posted. People on another forum all think bees or some other bugs got her when she crawled under our deck. She is the only one who will go under there. Until I know for sure we will keep doing benedryl. It can't hurt.

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07/19/2009 10:05 PM  

A couple points - if it's a histamine reaction (which is my bet) caused by either an allergy or bug bites, hot is bad. Cold is what you want to do.

To answer the question about poison ivy/oak/sumac, not every human is "allergic" to them, meaning one can have a terrible reaction and the next person through have no reaction at all. Not sure if the same is true for dogs. But if that is what it is, just because you don't have it and she does, that doesn't rule it out.

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07/19/2009 10:28 PM  

I am not going to do any hot or cold compressions right now. Just not comfortable with that. And out of 3 humans and 4 other dogs I would think one of us would react if it were poison ivy/oak etc. It would seem odd that it is just one dog out of 5 and none of us humans have reaction. I guess it could be though. The deck is now blocked off from any dogs going under so that is good. I will keep you all posted on the progress and diagnosis.


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07/20/2009 1:00 AM  

My terrier mix got something exactly like that once when I was farm sitting.  It went on the side of her muzzle as well.  It eventually scabbed over (not long after it first appeared) and healed on its own.

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07/20/2009 5:28 AM  
Beth, I wouldn't think it is bee stings unless there were a bunch. They would be big welts. Probably wouldn't be just one spot either. I hope your vet fixers her up soon. Poor little girl.

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07/20/2009 7:44 AM  

Looks like whay my brother-in-laws dog had recently only she had bumps all over her body.  Vet said it was a staph infection and put her on antibiotics. 


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07/20/2009 8:30 AM  
Certainly odd looking. I am glad you are taking her to the vet. As for poison oak/ivy the reaction is too the resin from the plant and some are allergic and some are not. I have poison oak in the yard and my dogs get in it from time to time, but have never reacted. It is usually on their coat not their face. How do I know they get in it? Because I am somewhat allergic to it. So the way it goes is the resin is on their coat, I pet them, and have a reaction. Depending on how much and how strong the resin is will drive how some and severe the reaction. I have gotten in poison oak and hot a reaction immediately in one spot, but it didn't show up other places until a day or two later.

All that aside, I doubt it is poison oak/ivy. My bet is a bug bite that has gotten a secondary infection going on. The benadryl will help, but if their is a secondary infection you will also need an antibiotic to clear it up. As for the bug, you will probably never know, but under a deck it could have been a spider, ants, stinging bugs, scorpion, etc.

Good luck and keep us posted.

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07/20/2009 8:34 AM  
wow My Boy Ruger has something very similar on his chin, though not quite as bad he has a few lumps on his chin and I was going to ask the same question myself. His are not red but they do look exactly the same.
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07/20/2009 10:04 AM  

Finally got a chance to go look this up.  I suspect this is like I said a secondary skin infection.  Anyway the commom term for it is canine pyoderma or folliculitis or cellulitis.  Here is a link with description:

www.medi-vet.com/Canine-Pyoderma.html

You need to see a vet, but one of the treatments will probably be to bathe the area with a drying medicated shampoo in addition to antibiotics.  This is not unusual in shorthaired dogs and usually occurs after a scratch, insect bite or something along those lines.  Good luck and let us know what you find out.


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07/20/2009 6:29 PM  
Here is an updated pic(warning not for a weak stomach). Our vet couldn't get us in until Tuesday AM. She had a bump on Thursday but I just figured it was a bug bite. Then Saturday night some of these red spots popped up. Sunday it looked like this later in the afternoon. This is what it looks like today. Now the soars are worse but the swelling on the rest of her nose is gone. We will see what the vet has to say in the AM. I am almost 100% positive that this is an alergic reaction as none of our other dogs are showing any signs at all of having any of this. We are giving her the proper dosage of benedryl along with putting peroxide on it at least 3 times a day to keep infection out and hopefully try to help dry it out. I will keep you all posted. But Here is a pic from today.


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07/20/2009 8:35 PM  
Boy that looks awful Beth. The only thing I have seen on my dogs like that was between their toes and from what I researched is like an ingrown hair, after some sort of injury to that area. It appeared on both my dogs this spring after I had to pull big long locust like thorns out of their paws one day. These spots looked like Tundra's except on a smaller scale. Vet gave me some cream, which did nothing and finally after some time it just went away. Stella never acted like it bothered her and Trego would lick it alot and it was tender when i wiped her muddy paws off. Good luck and let us know what you find out
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07/20/2009 9:18 PM  

Wow. I would definitely go to the vet for some antibiotics.

It still reminds me of what Tessa had, except she had just one of those...once it started oozing the swelling went down. They wanted to put her on antibiotics at the time but couldn't because she was also treated for severe diarrhea so the vet said compresses and keep an eye on it for a week. At which point it had completely cleared up.

This looks pretty extensive though.


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07/20/2009 9:42 PM  
I have had about 3 vets look at the pictures saying we were not able to get in til tomorrow. They all had the same thing to say. Insect bite/allergic reaction now infected. So anti-biotics will start tomorrow. I will keep you all posted on what the final verdict is though.Along with healing pics.

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07/21/2009 1:08 PM  
I hope it heals quickly for her. Poor little girl.

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07/21/2009 2:50 PM  
Having just gone through something similar early last month...pyoderma with secondary infection. Hailey got Cephalexin to guard against any further involvement, betadine scrub wiped gently to clear away the debris then ointment. Hers was due to sticking her nose under the skirting on my house hunting lizards and such....

I'd cut out the peroxide...it is too macerating and you'd have to use too strong a solution. Ordinary peroxide doesn't do much except fizz... use the betadine instead...

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07/21/2009 5:04 PM  

I agree with Phyllis - peroxide is essentially useless. One note though to everyone - don't use Betadine straight, it burns like crazy. Mix it at least one to one with water.

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