TessaGA Georgia
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| 05/26/2009 5:47 PM |
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What's the best way to accustom a one-year old (GSP) to horses? |
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To live without dogs would mean accepting a form of blindness. [Thomas McGuane]
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DesertRoseKennel
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| 05/26/2009 6:28 PM |
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I would first try to find someone who has a rock solid field trial horse who's had GSPs running under his feet for a lifetime. Then walk the dog up on a leash to the horse and gauge her reaction. If the dog is afraid, back off until she's comfortable. Then move her a little closer and give a small treat, repeat until she is literally under the horse to get her treat (it HAS to be a horse that is careful and unconcerned about a dog being there). Then have one person hold the dog on one side of the horse and you reach underneath with the treat to give it to her. If all goes well, start walking the dog next to and in front of the horse while the horse is being led. They are scarier when they are moving. If the dog moves out without being too concerned about the horse, give her treats.
I judged a HT a while ago and one of the junior dogs was totally in a panic that I was behind her on a big scary horse. She failed because she stayed underneath her handler's feet throughout the course. Afterwards, we went through the above exercise with my horse and she relaxed a lot. She passed the next day.
Now if you're going to field trial the dog, there's a lot more to be done since you want that dog to be willing to ride on the saddle and possibly be roaded off the front or side of the horse. Is that part of your plan?
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TessaGA Georgia
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| 05/26/2009 7:57 PM |
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I want to get her JH in the fall, likely with judges on horseback, followed by SH and MH eventually. Field trials, maybe, but have not decided yet. The problem is, I don't have access to horses, much less field trial horses that's why she has not been around them. Walked passed the vet school yesterday, there were two horses in a pen, friendly, inquisitive, and Tessa was forward, inquisitive, then spooked, then forward again. Overall, mostly very unsure. We just stood there and I let her ride things out for a while. I just ran into someone who has several horses as well as 4 dogs, so the horses I think are used to dogs but not as in a field trial or hunting setting. |
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DesertRoseKennel
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| 05/26/2009 8:50 PM |
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Do you have a local breed club? Might be a place to start. I'm sure there are other horses out there who are accustomed to dogs, it's just that field trial horses are used to derby dogs blasting right under them at top speed, etc... |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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MegC Ellensburg, WA
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| 05/26/2009 10:54 PM |
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I actually had the opposite problem w/ Dulcie... the one time I took her out trail riding with us she decided to flagrantly ignore the snorted/stomped warnings by my friend's horse and ripped around and under them with assumed impunity. The horse let her get away with it a few times before launching her into a wooded/brushy ravine. She ki-yi-yied a good bit but turned out it was mostly for dramatic effect and for having Her Majesty's bubble burst.... she followed along at a respectful distance after that and heeled the horses pretty well. And gave us REALLY dirty looks as we laughed at the puckered, indignant glares she shot us and the horses over her shoulder, lol!!!! The owner was worried but I don't know how else dogs learn that horses are *ok* but not at all to be treated like yet another movable GSP obstacle course. Really it all turned out the best I could have hoped for: the dog wasn't terrified, but she had learned they couldn't be entirely trusted and wasn't going to get under them any more. |
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TessaGA Georgia
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| 05/27/2009 6:41 AM |
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In regards to clubs in my area, I have not found any, I emailed the GSP of Atlanta Club five times or more since Sept 2008 and NEVER got any response (others had a similar experience)...they are 1-2 hours drive away and I need to know where they meet/train before I join because if it s on the far side of Atlanta, I won't be able to do that. I also emailed a SC club, that's about 2 hours away, it's tough for me to do on a regular basis, so right now, we only train with the local NAVHDA chapter and they don't have horses. I have not been able to find any mock hunts or fun trials. Real trials/events are on hold here in the Southeast until the fall. Meg: I am trying to avoid both sides of the spectrum (fear, and boldness a la Dulcie)  |
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To live without dogs would mean accepting a form of blindness. [Thomas McGuane]
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pixie bee
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| 05/27/2009 7:13 AM |
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For Hts I don't think horses will be an issue. The only time the dog really sees the horses is at the line and even then you can keep Tessa at a comfortable distance. The dogs are then released and the judges are pretty far behind and they keep their distance. Tessa should be more interested in the grounds and finding birds then the horses that will be pretty far away from her. From your posts it doesn't sound like tessa has a range 'issue'. I think she just go and hunt. it's when we sit the dog in front of the horses,or whatever, that it becomes an issue for them. Dogs and horses will get along and ignore each other,if they are mentally balanced. I am SURE Tessa is mentally balanced. Don't sweat it! |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 05/27/2009 8:12 AM |
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Pixie - I would have to disagree somewhat. Yes the judges are behind you for the most part, but I have been on a course that did an odd loop (the judges had modified the course to give the junior dogs the best distance with good wind and bird finding possibilities) and when the dogs split (and ended up staggered) one judge on horse followed each dog. The way we ended up Ringo crossed right where the other dogs judge was located. If he had not been acclimated to horses he might have noticed. As it was he was so focused on birds and he had been around horses allot, he didn't even pay attention. We also have large galleries that ride horses at our hunt tests. I have seen the two judges, a field marshal, and another 6 or so spectators on horses at some of the HT I have participated in. All behind the dogs and for some of the young dogs that hadn't seen horses it unnerved them. So, I wouldn't assume that in HT the horses would not be a problem. Better to introduce the dogs before the HT. There is enough pressure for the dog and handler the first HT without adding those big scary horses into the mix. |
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TessaGA Georgia
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| 05/27/2009 8:41 AM |
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From what I understand judges may not even be on horseback during a JH and from what I have seen with Tessa, present her some quail and a horse, I think she'll be all over the quail she has been so darn birdy lately it's almost a pain but I sure don't want to take any chances or take things for granted. My friends with the horses say they have one that is very calm, I guess we start with that one and some treats...and a check cord...? |
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DesertRoseKennel
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| 05/27/2009 10:26 AM |
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Bev - just an FYI. Gallery at a HT is NOT supposed to be on horseback. I checked the rulebook myself on that. |
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"Our dogs are bred to be champion hunters who sleep on the bed" www.desertrosekennel.com |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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pixie bee
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| 05/27/2009 11:24 AM |
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I have not seen gallery on horseback.That would kinda be a scary sceen.LOL. I have been to a few HTs and at all of them some,if not all, of the horses were sedated. Believe it or not, not all the judges are horse people and not all the hoses are dog horses. Horses 101 is a good idea, I just wouldn't make a big deal of it. I intro to sheep,goats,horses and cows. |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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DesertRoseKennel
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| 05/27/2009 12:23 PM |
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Francine, please don't make blanket statements. I can assure you that none of the horses I've ever seen at hunt tests were sedated. I do know one wrangler that sedates his rental horses but he does big field trials only. I disagree with his approach, but that's another topic. None of my horses, and none of those that belong to any of our friends have ever been sedated for an event. My horses love their jobs just as much as the dogs do.
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"Our dogs are bred to be champion hunters who sleep on the bed" www.desertrosekennel.com |
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pixie bee
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| 05/27/2009 1:24 PM |
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Jean, the horses at the hunt tests I have gone to are rental horses,not privately owned and some were sedated. I did not say this is true of every test just the ones I went to, and that totaled a handful in 2006, and the reason I know they were sedated is b/c I always ask. The reason I ask is b/c you never know what will happen at a test and quite frankly around a strange horse I do feel more comfortable knowing some may be sedated. Of course, this is all on the hush-hush, this is not a favorable practice. Not all judges feel comfortable on or around horses and at one test a certain judge had his horse sedated. Francine |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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DesertRoseKennel
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| 05/27/2009 1:47 PM |
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Sedating a horse (usually it's acepromazine that's used) is a really dangerous idea. It does not keep them from "blowing up", but it blunts them so that you aren't aware that an explosion is brewing. So when they do blow, you aren't prepared.
Jean |
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"Our dogs are bred to be champion hunters who sleep on the bed" www.desertrosekennel.com |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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pixie bee
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| 05/27/2009 2:23 PM |
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I can't say what drug was used. But that judges horse was almost asleep. Some of the judges in this neck of the woods are only around a horse when they judge. Not really horse people. Some don't even bird hunt. Makes me wonder why they become judges. but, this is a totally different topic. |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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caroline_mae Clemson, SC
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| 05/27/2009 7:13 PM |
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Dagmar I've found that both Tink and Porter are fine with horses. They come to all my horse shows and they both tend to be enamored with them. Porter loves loves to watch horses in the ring when he is right next to them he tries to act all big and macho. Anyways get in touch with UGA equine teams ask them if it would be ok if you came with Tessa on a leash and just had her hang out while they worked with the horses. I'm sure it would be fine if she is leashed and they are disturbed when working. I would wait before having just having Tessa on a check cord around horses and I would definitely do that on a friends property. My trainer at home has great horses and trails that you could take her out with but columbia is a little far of a drive for Tessa just to be exposed to horses. I have feeling though that Tessa will not be interested in the horses when she has birds to be interested in instead. |
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