caroline_mae Clemson, SC
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| 05/14/2009 2:25 PM |
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Hopefully my post wont go overlooked amongst all the bickering. But I had a very similar situation to you. Tink and Porter somehow got into a habit of waking up at 7:00 every morning. My boyfriend and I are in college so as you can imagine our schedule is anything but routine. They would both wake up and whimper at the side of the bed, not because they had to go to the bathroom but because they were bored. Best advice I can give you is ignore her, it will take time but she will get the point eventually. Now they either lay on the floor and play with one another or just sleep in with us. Remember you are in control and call the shots, not the dog.
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WildRose Seymour Texas
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| 05/14/2009 2:26 PM |
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Posted By TessaGA on 05/14/2009 2:05 PM
Original poster:
on days that I don't get up early enough for her liking or have a guest, I can't get her to STOP whining
WildRose:
she wants to ignore the dog, avoid getting up and letting the dog out to pee and exercise because it's more fun to stay in bed with the boyfriend
Hold your horses, please!
At this point, I would like the original poster to clarify a bit what she meant with the above referenced quote.
We're at the point where, on days that I don't get up early enough for her liking or have a guest, I can't get her to STOP whining. Putting her outside my bedroom door isn't an option; she lays by the closed door and whines - waking up my next door roommate. The reason is the same. I'm not making a moral judgment on whether it's her boyfriend or a slumber party. The point is as she's written it, it's a matter of her not being willing to get up and take care of the dog.
The dog has been trained to follow a routine. Now that routine isn't always convenient so she wants to find a way to avoid taking care of the dog, yet not listen to the dog whine.
The likely result is the dog will start pottying in the house, and very likely will also start chewing on stuff to show her discomfort and displeasure.
Suddenly the dog gets the blame for these relapses in training and "going nuts" and off the dog goes to rescue.
Again, how many of us would think this was acceptible if we were discussing ways to ignore a two year old child's needs for diaper changes and breakfast???
Dog or child both are captives of the adult in charge and neglect is going to cause long term issues for either. |
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TessaGA Georgia
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| 05/14/2009 2:28 PM |
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tessGa, why does she need to clearify her post? Because if - IF - [please note I am not the one jumping to conclusions] on those occasions, the dog has not been outside to relieve herself in a longer than acceptable timeframe, that might explain the whining and would possibly provide a solution to the problem, on those occasions. As an example, one time a few years ago I got very, very sick from a reaction to a drug. I could barely move. I live alone and had a dog. Dog has needs, regardless of what I am going through. I remember crawling outside into the yard on all fours myself, because I could not stand up, with her on the leash because she needed to go at some point. Then made arrangements for her care. |
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WildRose Seymour Texas
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| 05/14/2009 2:29 PM |
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Posted By caroline_mae on 05/14/2009 2:25 PM
Hopefully my post wont go overlooked amongst all the bickering. But I had a very similar situation to you. Tink and Porter somehow got into a habit of waking up at 7:00 every morning. My boyfriend and I are in college so as you can imagine our schedule is anything but routine. They would both wake up and whimper at the side of the bed, not because they had to go to the bathroom but because they were bored. Best advice I can give you is ignore her, it will take time but she will get the point eventually. Now they either lay on the floor and play with one another or just sleep in with us. Remember you are in control and call the shots, not the dog.
Hope that helps.
Now see that makes pretty good sense to me. You aren't suggesting neglect. You have a little different situation though. You have two dogs, and they are in the same room with you. Unless they have a real "need" to go potty they can either keep each other entertained, or are allowed to jump up and share the bed to cuddle, snuggle, or play with you.
You aren't creating problems, you are including your dogs in your routine, even when it changes. |
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everbell Kanata, ON
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| 05/14/2009 2:33 PM |
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| Perhaps you could take her outside to ensure she doesn't need to go to the bathroom and then give her a food puzzle to keep her brain busy (I like the busy buddy tug-a-jug). |
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pixie bee
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| 05/14/2009 2:33 PM |
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TessGA, I understand what you are saying. The OP has implied that this occurs every morning. We don't know what time the last walk was, it doesn't matter. We all know the dog can probably hold it another 1/2 -1 hour longer. The dog is being insistent because a a routine and habit. Break the habit and the routine and the problem is solved. My first post on the thread is probably the easiest way to handle the situation because there are others in the household. Believe me, I know where she is coming from. I have had puppies when both my kids were infants. Keeping a puppy quiet not to wake sleeping babies teaches patience to both human and dog. |
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TessaGA Georgia
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| 05/14/2009 2:45 PM |
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Again, how many of us would think this was acceptible if we were discussing ways to ignore a two year old child's needs for diaper changes and breakfast??? If there truly is a need, I agree. But a dog whining doesn't always mean there is a need. And I have seen a lot of kids whining with no reason that have their parents wrapped around their little fingers, and quite obviously so. |
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JCK
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| 05/14/2009 2:48 PM |
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Unless the dog has been cooped for excessively long and is whining for that reason, I don't see any problem with making the dog wait. Mine likes to get up when it starts getting light; it doesn't matter whether it's been five hours or eight hours. I don't see how anyone can jump to conclusions either way based on the original post. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt here, because it sounds like this is just a habit issue: i.e., "If I whine, I get to go out and have fun!" rather than WildRose situation: "I'm whining because I HAVE to go out right now!" |
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mit Harleysville, PA
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| 05/15/2009 7:10 AM |
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ehershey, again welcome to the forum. I am sorry that your first experience on the forum has turned into a heated discussion. I hope you got some answers to your question. I would love to see a picture of your dog. |
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everbell Kanata, ON
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| 05/15/2009 7:13 AM |
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Posted By mit on 05/15/2009 7:10 AM
ehershey,
again welcome to the forum. I am sorry that your first experience on the forum has turned into a heated discussion. I hope you got some answers to your question.
I would love to see a picture of your dog.
I echo this sentiment.Also, photos are a REQUIREMENT of membership (just kidding, but we do love seeing the little munchkins). |
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Marie Wisconsin
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| 05/15/2009 7:41 AM |
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Welcome !!Welcome A whiner is better than a GSP who has a piercing barky, barky when he is demanding attention . Guess all our GSPs can vocalize in different ways. When I do want Rocky to sleep in and be lazy in the morning, I simply run the pants off of him the evening before for about 1 1/2 to 2 hours. And if I can, will run the pants off of him the next day in the evening too. Yesterday after going to the Milwaukee Brewer game all day, I invited my three chuck-it neighborhood kids to chuck balls to Rocky in the field behind our house for 2 hours.( Did buy last year extra chuck-it for each child so they know their color.) Rocky gets exercise, the kids have fun , parents get a little rest from their kids, while playing chuck-it ball toss with Rocky Best wishes and do want to see pics of your GSP. !!
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TessaGA Georgia
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| 05/15/2009 7:58 AM |
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I sure hope we didn't scare her off but if this had been my first post I'd probably wouldn't have bothered to come back either.
If the original poster is still with us - this thread is not typical for this forum. This is a very nice place to be. Even for a newbie. |
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wgspr rescue Milwaukee, WI
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| 05/15/2009 3:04 PM |
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I highly doubt anyone meant to scare the whiner's owner off, just food for thought. GSPs are whiners, almost every single one I've had thru my house! They are talking! Bottom line is, if you do not like that behavior, change something, take responsibility! If the dog is merely saying it has to go out, then get outta bed and be responsible. If the dog is whining for attention, maybe it's lacking? I dunno, I lost my whiner to cancer back in 2005, and I still MISS that whine. Sometimes I think I can hear it in the air at home still. But Kate was not excessive. She was just talking. What's wrong with that? It is the breed in my opinion. |
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ehershey North Shore, Lake Tahoe
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| 06/01/2009 5:43 PM |
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I wasn't able to get back to this forum for a little while, but it looks like I missed a bit of a maelstrom. Thank you all for your advice, which I assume was meant in everyone's case to look out for the well-being of the dog. Just to clarify, I do have a dog door in the house, so Koa's whining isn't from a need to relieve herself... it's more of the "wake up and let's go hiking!!" variety. I wondered if other people saw her behavior as spoiled and something I needed to stop, or if I was maybe looking at it the wrong way. I appreciated hearing all your thoughts. BTW, hopefully both boyfriend AND dog will be around a long time... but dog will always come 1st. And she gets hikes even when her owner is hungover  |
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HMiller Greenville, SC
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| 06/01/2009 6:00 PM |
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Welcome ehershey!
We have a one year old GSP, Maebyn, and she used to have similar behavior to yours... through crate training we have been able to curb most of the whining for attention in the mornings... once she started sleeping through the night with no noise in her kennel we bought her a dog bed and she now sleeps there all night and then at 6a - when she wakes up and thinks it's time to play (we don't get up until about 6:30a), we let her climb in the bed with us, which to her is the best thing in the world, as she's not allowed to sleep in the bed at night... after a few kisses in the face, she snuggles right in and sleeps until the alarm goes off... it's worked really well for us and she's a surprisingly good snuggler, as long as you can hold onto the covers!  |
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JCK
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| 06/02/2009 7:28 AM |
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You mainly have to be careful not to reward the whining behavior. Our dog, especially now that it gets light early, likes to get up and try to get our attention. She'll start doing naughty things, like picking up clothes or chewing on whatever she can find. Correcting the naughty behavior doesn't solve the problem; she starts to get excited (tail wagging) even if I correct her. Her goal is to get any form of attention, and it doesn't matter whether it's positive or negative. So I've found the best way to deal with it is this: get up, don't make eye contact. Lead the dog back to her bed, crate, or wherever she sleeps. Have her go into the down position (by command, hand signal) and immediately walk away. This (a) lets the dog know that she needs to wait and (b) doesn't reward the bad behavior. I was able to get my 20 additional minutes of sleep this way this morning...  |
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unowhoandwhy Middleofnowhere, NH
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| 06/02/2009 7:32 AM |
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I had the same problems with both my dogs & through patience (in ignoring the whining & naughty behavior) & lots of training (rewarding good behavior, etc.) they now know that if my eyes are closed it is time to be quiet, but as soon as I show signs of life & consciousness again it is game on. |
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Mydogiscrazy Chapel Hill NC
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| 06/02/2009 9:18 AM |
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i have often whined right back at Lacey that I have a hangover and want 30 more minutes of peaceful sleep with my boyfriend, so you aren't alone hershey, no matter how many people on the board jump on you. I usually wake up, take her outside, feed her, and play for 5 minutes and crawl right back in bed. Then she follows me in and lays down with/on top of me. Right now I would like to take a nap, but I have a 3 year old that is also whining... a real little boy. So i've turned on cartoons. its the equivalent of a pig ear =30-60 minutes of rest. |
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