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05/13/2009 2:01 PM  

I have a healthy, super active 4 year old GSP and need help breaking a bad habit that we've developed together. Every morning, Koa wakes me up by sitting next to my bed and whining - waiting for me to get up and take her for her morning exercise and breakfast. Because I live with roommates, I've gotten in the (bad) habit of getting up immediately, so that Koa's whining will not annoy the rest of the house. We're at the point where, on days that I don't get up early enough for her liking or have a guest, I can't get her to STOP whining. Putting her outside my bedroom door isn't an option; she lays by the closed door and whines - waking up my next door roommate. I can't continue to let this behavior happen (the entire house and my boyfriend agree that the dog's whims are taking over everyone' s morning peace), but would love some suggestions on curbing it. Thanks for your thoughts!

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05/13/2009 2:25 PM  

Sounds like you've trained her that whining is the way to wake you up!

I think you have to go cold turkey; ignore the whining until she stops (which will happen eventually). Just warn your roommates of your plans, so they can prepare for the bad morning.

If you give in after 10 minutes, she'll learn that it takes 10 minutes of whining for success.

I think ignoring is the only way you can deal with this.

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05/13/2009 2:28 PM  

Well, you have reinforced the bad behavior by doing what she wants when she whines.  Now whining  = I get what I want in the morning.  You now have your work cut out for you.  You should no longer respond to the whining, but only to the quiet behavior.  It is going to take you Herculean effort ot get to where you want to be.  Hopefully your housemates will also be patient.  I would totally ignore the behavior, but as soon as she is quiet, even for a few seconds, reward her.  Gradually increase the time before the reward.  I will warn you, this will probably take several weeks to get to where you want to be.  It will take longer if you give in and give her what she wants at any time.  This probably isn't what you wanted to hear, but if you want peace in the morning you will have to be strong.  By the way, fusing at the dog is also reinforcement.  Good luck!  Maybe some other folks will have some suggestions too.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

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05/13/2009 3:51 PM  
Is it possible to crate her overnight so that she can't stand next to you in the morning and whine?

I'd think it would be easier to ignore the whining and try to reinforce quiet when she isn't staring you down. Maybe put a blanket it on the crate when she whines to encourage her to be quiet.
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05/13/2009 4:37 PM  
You have created a routine. Maybe you can teach her a 'lay down' command or a 'go away' command? My dogs will come,voice their opinion and then I say 'out' and they go away.

Francine


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05/13/2009 4:55 PM  
Let her jump into the bed and cuddle with you. This has become Juno's favorite morning ritual. You just have to watch out for those pointer feet.

I know this probably isn't the kind of constructive advice that you are looking for.

Best of Luck and wishing you the strength of "stick-to-itness".
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05/13/2009 8:32 PM  
"those pointer feet" LOL I hear ya!

Not sure I would let the dog in the bed, unless the dog is quiet and not whining.

Best to ignore. The bad thing is, to really completely ignore, you can't even tell the dog to hush (at least not repeatedly) or give any attention, verbally or physically. It's tough.

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05/13/2009 8:40 PM  
It's been my experience that GSPs can be opera singers.



"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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05/13/2009 11:20 PM  
Posted By ehershey on 05/13/2009 2:01 PM

I have a healthy, super active 4 year old GSP and need help breaking a bad habit that we've developed together. Every morning, Koa wakes me up by sitting next to my bed and whining - waiting for me to get up and take her for her morning exercise and breakfast. Because I live with roommates, I've gotten in the (bad) habit of getting up immediately, so that Koa's whining will not annoy the rest of the house. We're at the point where, on days that I don't get up early enough for her liking or have a guest, I can't get her to STOP whining. Putting her outside my bedroom door isn't an option; she lays by the closed door and whines - waking up my next door roommate. I can't continue to let this behavior happen (the entire house and my boyfriend agree that the dog's whims are taking over everyone' s morning peace), but would love some suggestions on curbing it. Thanks for your thoughts!

You won't like this answer but here goes...
 

You have a well trained, well mannered, well house broken dog.

You can ignore her and then start dealing with the result.  A dog that is no longer well mannered or house broken and you'll have to start cleaning up "accidents" and most likely replacing things she tears up.

You have a RESPONSIBILITY as an owner to take care of your dogs needs.  She's not a piece of furniture.

You are just like a parent now with a 2yo child.  No matter what else is going on in your life, you have a responsibility to take care of the dog, just as you would a child.

The boy friend will probalby be gone in six months or less and you'll still have the dog.

If the guy isn't a "dog person" at some point if he stays in your life you'll end up with a choice between her and the dog.

Think long and hard about your responsibilities and how much you value your dog vs how much you'd rather play with your friends.


There's a reason I like dogs better'n people... .
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05/14/2009 7:47 AM  
ehershey,
Fiirst of all welcome to the forum.
I agree with what most people are telling you, it's not going to be a habit that you can break overnight so it's going to require patience on everyone's part.

Wildrose,
Huh? where did that rant come from. This person asked for advise I'm not sure why you feel the need to scold him/her.
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05/14/2009 7:50 AM  
I don't think asking for an extra 15 minutes or half hour of quiet in the morning is the same thing as neglecting the dog. My dog doesn't get to go out if she's bugging me in the morning (or being naughty to get attention).

They can learn to settle down and wait for you; but you do have to train them.
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05/14/2009 11:47 AM  
WildRose, I don't think there is any need for ripping into ehershey like you did. There is nothing in the original post that indicates neglect. Just because the original poster has roommates doesn't mean she is an irresponsible dog owner. Now, if the original poster lies around in bed until, say, noon, after a night of partying and everyone is hung over and doesn't want to deal with the dog, I agree with you 100%, but we don't know that.

The question I guess we should have been asking though, is, what time of morning does this occur, and how long before that was the dog "attended to"? I expect 8 hours of quiet time from my dog at night. 9 on occasion. Past that, I am willing to suck it up.


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05/14/2009 12:01 PM  

I'm sorry, but I agree with WildRose; shorthairs are whiners; "opera singers" is great terminology!  It drives me absolutely nuts!  I mean NUTS!  A itty bitty whine, is fine, but continual, non-stop, attention getting whining is just like someone may as well put a gun to my head!  If the silent act will work, by all means go for it.  In my experience, never really worked for me.  Crating them mainly isolates them and the whining will now become more demanding and high pitched maybe with some foot stomping too, then if they get really wound up, chirping, howeling, and all out barking!  It is behavioral.  If you can switch to quiet, good luck.  I've never been able to stop a whiner, and not even a bark collar works unless they get to all out barking.  I don't mind a "talker", but a whiner?  urghhhh.


Lisa C. Rossman
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05/14/2009 12:35 PM  

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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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05/14/2009 12:50 PM  
It looks to me, Francine, that Lisa agrees with you. I could be wrong though, in which case I guess I am confused.

It's been my experience that GSPs can be opera singers.


And I agree, too. A friend of mine in Germany had a wonderful DK that was singing operas any and every time no attention was paid to her.

I am glad that Tessa is not vocal, she is just very physical, like hanging from the ceiling of her cage if not pleased.

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05/14/2009 1:06 PM  

None of my three are whiners.  The only two things that get them talking: 1) Squirrels, especially when the squirrel sits just out of reach and teases them.  That squirrel is not long for the world though, because as soon as he lets his guard down guaranteed all that GSP frustration will be directed at Mr. Squirrel.  2) One of my dogs gets a favorite toy (this is usually Belle) and she doesn't really want it, but doesn't want Halo or Ringo to have it.  Halo and Ringo start the barking.  I usually pick up the toy and put it up.  Problem solved.

Other than that they alert to strangers in the yard or a knock or doorbell at the front door, but calm right down when I tell them I have it under control.

I guess I am lucky.  I will say though that when they are little and whine at night for the first couple of nights they get cuddled by mom.  After they are more secure they have all been happy with a blanket and toy snuggled in their crate.  Ringo has continued the sleeping in the crate even though he doesn't have to anymore.  The girls sleep on their beds or the sofa in the family room. 

In the morning I beat them to the wakeup most mornings and put them out, fix their breakfast and then out one more time.  When they come in (all this usually takes 15 - 20 minutes) they are ready to crash again until around 9 or 10 am, so we all get to go back to sleep.  Works great and prevents them from trying to get me up in the AM.  Of course, if they try to get me up before 5 AM when I feed them, they are told to go back to bed, and they do.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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05/14/2009 1:49 PM  
It's not a rant and I'm not scolding her. I'm being accurate and honest. This is how dogs end up in rescue. Our dogs are not furniture, nor appliances. We can't take care of them when we want to, and ignore them when taking care of them is burdensome or inconvenient.

When you take a puppy or adult dog home you are responsible for every aspect of the dogs health and well being.

This is why I go to great lengths to explain to people just what they are getting into with picking a GSP because it's quite frequently a 12-15 year commitment and there are times, when it's inconvenient to take care of that commitment.

Read the original post. The problem is she wants to ignore the dog, avoid getting up and letting the dog out to pee and exercise because it's more fun to stay in bed with the boyfriend.

How many of you would say it's ok to not change your two year old's diaper or feed, clothe or bathe them because a parent didn't' want to get out of bed?

Same principal.

My post was not a scolding in any way, it was hopefully a wake up call to get her to think about her commitment to the dog; which is exactly what I stated.

Our dogs are totally dependant upon us for their health and well being just as our children are.

There's a reason I like dogs better'n people... .
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05/14/2009 1:51 PM  
This last post is insulting,degrading and out right uncalled for.
I would like for it to be deleted.



"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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05/14/2009 2:05 PM  

Original poster:
 

on days that I don't get up early enough for her liking or have a guest, I can't get her to STOP whining



WildRose:
 

she wants to ignore the dog, avoid getting up and letting the dog out to pee and exercise because it's more fun to stay in bed with the boyfriend



Hold your horses, please!

At this point, I would like the original poster to clarify a bit what she meant with the above referenced quote.


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05/14/2009 2:20 PM  
tessGa,
why does she need to clearify her post? It if fine the way she wrote it. We are not hear to pry into her life. She wants to lay in bed a little longer on some days. Nothing wrong with that.
Anyone here have kids? Well, I teach my kids not to whine and to have patience. it's called good parenting. And good dog handling is teaching the dog that it can not have it's way just b/c it is vocal. It does sound to me as tho the dog is being taken care of just fine and gets it's needs attended to in a timely manner. In fact, it sounds spoiled.
Arrogant,rude and snippy 'advice' in the name of experience and professionalism is well, unprofessional and shows a lack of experience and well, just plain good manners.
Really, to post such degrading,presuptuaous words in the name of 'helpful advice'





"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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