mase
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| 04/28/2009 8:01 PM |
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im thinking of getting another GSP'
we have a 9month male now and there is a litter in the making ready in 5 months time but my partner is unsure of having two as much as he wants another one
were after a bitch this time and i was wanting to know how it is having two is it more dificult having two crazy pooches running around
you know what my concerns are we are a young couple and i have plenty of time for them
so shed some light and i might be able to convinse my partner it wont be as bad has he thinks (or will it????)
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singltrak Las Cruces, NM
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| 04/28/2009 8:12 PM |
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I'm curious as to why first of all, you want to add another dog to the mix. Secondly, you say, "were (sic) after a bitch this time". Any particular reason for wanting a girl? I have some thoughts (when don't I ) but need to see what your thinking is first. Phyllis and the Singltrak Furtribe |
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Kerplunk105 Bucks County, PA
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| 04/28/2009 8:52 PM |
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| I personally would want until your boy is older. I like some maturity in (current) dog(s) before adding another to the pack/household. |
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Elizabeth Leena RIP 11/08-9/17/09 Bliss, the Labrador Tegan, the Weim/Labrador
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mase
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| 04/28/2009 9:32 PM |
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i love dogs and would just love another one if i was i would get a female not to breed or any thing like that it would be more we have a male nice for him to have a mate ild love a black and white female and the opportunity has come up were get pick bitch from a really good breeder and i dont want to rush it me and my man have loved the dog she breeding and some nice pups will come out of it im into my hunting and trial my boy heaps and hes to big to show and would love to have a nice girl i can show from the start |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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singltrak Las Cruces, NM
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| 04/28/2009 9:56 PM |
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I certainly understand where you are coming from with your love of dogs. And Shorthairs, being like Ruffles, (you can't have just one), definitely require the addition of another. Definitely, I agree with Elizabeth on the waiting for one to mature before adding on to your dog-hold. In five months, your boy will only be 14 months old, still a young dog and definitely trying to find his place in the hierarchy of the family. Adding in a bitch will change those dynamics forever, even if the youngster is only 10 weeks old. The term Alpha bitch holds true no matter the age....they tend to take over. Secondly, teenaged boy Shorthairs can be the true "demon dogs" whose brains descend to between their hind legs. I guess I am confused (its been a long day for me) because you say you are trialing your dog at 9 months, (I gather quite a bit) but he is too big to show? How big is this boy? And you say you are not interested in breeding, but then you talk about a mate for your boy. When most breeders talk about "a mate" they are speaking of a potential future breeding. Please don't think I am coming down on you, but my gut feeling tells me this is not a good decision at the moment. Its very rare to be offered pick bitch from any breeder, and to have one that is show quality is a great opportunity. Is the breeder also willing to mentor you and help out with handling, grooming, etc. or is this only a future sale for them ? Have you done your homework, gone over pedigrees of the two dogs to see if, in the future you do decide to breed the two, if they will mesh or if an outcross would be a better choice? Lots of questions and lots of digging into things (and growing up on the part of your 9 month old boy too). JMHO, tho. |
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mase
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| 04/28/2009 10:01 PM |
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thanks for that in put i live in New Zealand and Black and white are accepted here the one that beat my boy wa black and white
if i was to get another i would get a female and if one dosnt happen in this litter then i wont just take any i dont want to rush but if the chance came up i wanna make sure it wont be too much i know many ppl with more than one dog but their labs and smaller dogs and these are full of energy GSPs and tought ild get some in put from others that have more than one i dont know how they react with living with other dogs
like do they rum rampid all day chewing up things when together or are they calm and just rela those sorts of things
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mase
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| 04/28/2009 10:15 PM |
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ok lots of typing here Mate as in companion, friend to hang out with in New Zealand the standard it 65cm at the withers and 31Kg in weight he is that now and still growing so he is bigger than our standard and compared to the other dogs in the show he looks bigger taller and just bigger in the head i take him to retriever trials and rough shoots training him up for hunting i have tried to show him with no luck but he did win best head one time in terms of breeding i have talked to the breeder regarding that and in the future if i was to put them together ill have to see if she is a smaller bitch and there lines are totally different which is good but i would look at all my options before i go into it we have discussed it she puts a clause on all her bitches cant be bred from untill she has accepted the stud and she is very helpful and will only give me pick bitch because i do so much with my boy and thats what she want out of an owner and she will help me with any thing i need |
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WildRose Seymour Texas
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| 04/28/2009 11:03 PM |
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Well here's something to consider. If you spay or neuter before they dogs reach full maturity (between 2-3 years of age) you are increasing the odds of tendon and ligament problems in the future. If you get your boy a girl friend, you are going to have to deal with heat cycles, or spay early. Personally I'd say if you really want another dog you will be better off sticking with the same sex you have now to avoid such issues. |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 04/28/2009 11:06 PM |
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Sounds like you have found a good breeder and you have thought about this allot. I have found that two or three GSPs do well together. I got my second GSP because Belle (my first GSP) was constantly getting in trouble when I had to leave her alone at the house. Once I added Halo (my second bitch), Belle settled down and was much happier. Now I work from home so they all have me at home.
I added my boy because my breeder was having another litter and was willing to give me pick of the males if I wanted one. I had originally wanted a boy when I got Halo. The timing was good, so I went for it. The girls do rule and make my poor Ringo's life hell, but he loves them to death.
My dogs are ages 5.5 years, 4 years, and 11 months. My two females I got close together. The male I got three years later. They all three get along with no problems. I do allot of things with my dogs (conformation, HT, FT, obedience, flyball, therapy dog work, etc.) and they get lots of exercise.
I would say that if your breeder has a pup you like, then go for it. I am not saying it will be easy, but it is definitely doable. And the fact that you do things with your dog and the breeder is willing to stay involved, should make it easier. Good luck and keep us posted on your decision.
Maybe someday I will get down to your neck of the woods. I have always wanted to visit New Zealand. I hear it is a beautiful country.
PS - I have enough British and Aussie friends and from your post I suspected you were not in the States. The word "mates" was one of the tip offs for me. I had kind of figured you meant companions. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo) and the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo)
Yellow Rose GSPs

"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." --Plato
"..It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.." --Samuel Adams |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 04/28/2009 11:12 PM |
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Wildrose does have a good point. I can attest that it is not easy when a bitch comes in season to have a yound strapping male in the house. I actually sent my boy to bird school about the time my girl was supposed to come in heat. So for now, I have solved that problem.
So, if your male is 9 months today and the wait for the pup is 5 months, he would be a little over a year when the puppy arrives. Assuming your girl does not come in season until she is at least 6 months your boy is about a year and half when you have the first problem. Still too early to neuter him as Wildrose stated. So, think this one through carefully before you get a female. Make sure you have a plan for keeping them apart. I did this and was prepared. That said I also knew my girl was on a 9 month cycle, so now I (hopefully) don't have to worry again for another 9 months.
GSP males are very creative in their abilities to get to females in season. So, don't underestimate their abilities either. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo) and the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo)
Yellow Rose GSPs

"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." --Plato
"..It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.." --Samuel Adams |
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mase
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| 04/28/2009 11:13 PM |
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thanks Texas Belle i love it here to before mason i had no hobbies so he became my hobbie and i love it my partner is into his guns he has heaps and loves shooting and mine in my animals we have two cats and one dog i have no issues with having another one but luke aint to keen but i think it would be good for mason to have a buddie during the day while we work and i love to compete my dogs in heaps of activities i can the breeder is awesome here is a link to her dogs and ther is a pic of the boy she is breeding arosa leathel weopan with arosa in the ruff her dogs do soo well in the ring espceially arosa Just wicked http://www.dogzonline.co.nz/breeds/member.asp?name=AROSA |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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carlower1 Kansas
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| 04/29/2009 7:05 AM |
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I can understand your desire... (I love the comparison to chips!!) Right now I am at the max number of pets for my community (and budget) but I am seriously considering a female here in the next 5 years as well. Namely for the reasons that TB mentioned... Wachter really doesn't have anyone to play with since the ladies are too small, to really do anything and the cat .. well she is too much like a cat to demean her dignity with a roudy boy (unless he has a purpose). I think Wachter would do great with a bigger companion and really tone him down a bit.. My reasons for females.. is I have ALWAYS had female dogs... I wouldnt want to breed, and like you I would want the black and white, just because I love Wachter's coloring so much! BUT personality takes priority and how well she gets along with the rest of the zoo will determine who I get when I do get another dog. (poor Tasha, she is going to be the only little pup left when this happens) Carrie |
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singltrak Las Cruces, NM
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| 04/29/2009 8:23 AM |
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Sounds definitely like you have already done your homework, and good for you for thinking ahead. I wondered about "mate" but it was a very long day yesterday and so I didn't even stop. Actually, I have five GSP's...see what I mean about chips?...LOL! and they range in age from almost 11 years down to four months. Everyone gets along although the girls are typical bitches when they are in season and get a bit "owly" with one another. All are girls except for one boy, who is almost five. Two of the girls are just coming out of season and that has made Mr. Ziggy a basket case this time around. At least, I know I will have roughly six months of peace and quiet and may breed a litter on the next time around....maybe being the operative word. Gosh, NZ sounds so beautiful...one of my favorite movies is Green Dolphin Street...so I fell in love with your countryside a long, long time ago (tho I'm certainly not as old as that movie!). And certainly, Arosa is a well known and well thought of Kennel.... and their dogs are lovely! Must get to work...I'm anxious to hear more about your plans now. |
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Diamond Southwestern Ontario
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| 04/29/2009 1:11 PM |
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My advice to anyone before adding another dog would be to consider how they are getting along with their first dog. Is my dog well trained enough to be okay on their own while a lot of time goes to the puppy? (you might want to include a list with this one just so 'well trained' doesn't consist of 'knows how to sit, lay down, etc.'. Well trained means it's become a habit and has become a reaction rather than something they do for treats, lure, or just because they feel like it at the time. How much exercise is the first dog getting now.....should I be giving them more? If the first dog isn't getting enough the second isn't going to either and then you'll have two wound dogs with no direction. What about money? Can I afford double food bills? Vet bills? Boarding fees? What about space...do I have enough or am I willing (or able to afford) building a bigger dog run, fenced enclosure etc. if necessary? Rules....how many rules have I really made for and remained consistent with my 1st dog...another dog (especially a puppy) could mean "double trouble", do I need to make a better set of house rules to stick to before I add another dog (e.g one dog may be okay on the sofa....but what about two hmmm). Am I being a proper leader for my pack already? Or should I work on that a bit more until I am confident in myself and 1st dog totally under my influence and can help teach a new puppy or dog the rules of our pack? Asking yourself questions such as these gives you insight on where you are with your dog. If you decide that you maybe aren't ready for another one right now you can start working hard towards "being ready". I sometimes feel like I am always discouraging people from the second dog thing....but it's just because a lot of dogs end up in shelters, or become very frustrated and unfulfilled (aka what people like to call "problem dogs" ) because people have made a decision without really thinking about the real life stuff. It can also be very frustrating for the human too and dogs are suppose to bring us joy not anger and frustration. Personally I have to run through my own list when the "second dog bug" bites again....the house is too small, I don't have time to train another dog, $$$ don't have enough....aw shucks maybe in another few years *laughs* Hope this help you out...whatever you decide just make sure that everyone is agreed in the family! PLEASE! Too many people make the mistake of getting another puppy because the other people in the family "won't be able to say no after they see it". |
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everbell Kanata, ON
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| 04/29/2009 2:03 PM |
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This is one of the reasons we went with an older dog as our second dog ... frankly, I didn't want to go through the puppy crazies no matter HOW cute they are! Raz isn't perfect -- we're still working on not peeing in the house (our fault: not reading her signals and letting her drink too much before bed). Also, she still needs a little work on leash walking and some basic commands. But overall, she has been a joy to have in the house. It took a lot of soul-searching, and the perfect situation, for us to introduce dog #2 into our house. |
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Joce and Rich Bogart and Shiraz (GSPs) Roxane (RIP: 1995-2009) and Tiger Lily (Cats) The Everbell Adventures |
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mase
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| 06/29/2009 5:29 PM |
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| well update pup has been born and just my luck the litter had one black and white female out of 11 pups what were the odds |
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mase
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| 06/29/2009 5:33 PM |
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here are the photos

mum and dad

the girl

the family
so we will wait till shes a little older and she is she turns out to be the one we take home fingers crossed |
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mase
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| 06/29/2009 5:35 PM |
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| that was supposed to read "and see if she is the one we take home" the breeder is going to check over her and make sure she is up to show standard |
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