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MarieUser is Offline
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04/26/2009 10:29 PM  
Once you take your first manners dog class and learn basic commands especailly the " whoa" command for GSPs, you will never need an e-collar when on walks. When you see your dog heading for anything you want her to avoid, you just say "whoa" and your dog should stop eliminating the need for an e-collar. In fact I ordered Rocky and e-collar, but never took it out of the box as the training classes we took worked for Rocky. Good thing about GSPs and water, their fur drys in 15 minutes!! Unlike the Golden Retriever, Ella who was still wet after 2 hours in the same rain as Rocky who was dry in 10 minutes!! If you don't have, a good book on GSPs Is German Shorthaired Pointers, A Complete Pet Owner's Manual Author: Chris C. Pinney, D.V.M.

Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
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Texas BelleUser is Offline
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04/26/2009 11:56 PM  

You know I have to agree with Wildrose on this one.  GSPs and water go hand in hand.  I take mine down to our greenbelt every chance I get (at a minimum twice a week, ususally more) and they get to be dogs.  There is a creek with several deep swimming holes, so they get to swim.  They look for squirrels and generally have a great time.  The only requirement is they come when called.  The beaurty of a shorthair is they truly are wash and wear.  So, if they get wet or a little dirty you can either brush them when they dry or wipe them down with a towel.  I just couldn't imagine not letting them play in the water, unless of course it is stagnant and nasty.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato
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04/27/2009 11:37 AM  
During retraining it is especially important to show them that nothing is free. Make her work and wait for anything and everything that is possible. It sounds like she needs to learn a little self control.

Free running is a great energy burner but it doesn't do much for the energy in the mind. My guy has a bouncy ball brain if you get my meaning...if I let him do want ever he wanted he'd be like a kid running around the house, arms in the air...screaming all the time. That's why he has to PROVE he can follow my instructions and boundries before he gets rewarded. That means traveling beside me (walking or biking) a specified distance before he gets the reward of running free in the field.

A tired (phsycologically and physically) dog is going to be easier to correct and more willing to listen, so exercise is the biggest thing (just so long as you are in control of the activity).

I highly recommend using the bicycle! In our busy lives we may not have time for a mile walk every day and night. Using the bike cuts your time in half and gives your dog twice the exercise. It also gives us the advantage of speed so it's harder for the dog to lead the pack. It's a great tool for the period you are teaching your dog the heel...Nobody enjoys taking their dog for a walk when you're constantly bringing them back to your side. You could even purchase a harness and teach your dog to pull you on your bike google bikejoring and you should find some more info if you are interested.

I think it's great that you are going to try out training classes. Just make sure the method of both instruction and reward are the best for you and your dog. I found with my "silver bullet" of energy the training classes were far too reward/excited centered, this just worked my guy into a frenzy where he couldn't function and I had a very difficult time staying emotional balanced enough to influence him...he knew I didn't have control so that left him the job. We both did much better on our own, using rewards quietly and keeping praise lower key...he still got the point he was doing it right, he learned manners, and more of the training actually sunk in and stayed put.

I hope everything thing goes well for you...keep us up to date. We want to help as much as possible! :D
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04/27/2009 12:31 PM  

as someone who rescued a gsp 5 years ago and didnt have a clue as to what that high energy level really meant....i am compelled to post the chorus again exercise, exercise, exercise because it can't be said enough - and definitely both mental and physical kinds.  Also, you sound really stressed and unfortunately your dog will feed on that and mirror it back to you - yes shades of the Dog Whisperer -while not all agree with his methods - i think his formula is sound - exercise, rules, limitations then affection.  btw  I had the same experience with my shorthair as the poster who mentioned excitement and rewards at a traditional Obedience class just upping his dog's frenziness.    As best you can, try to be calm and positive.  hang in there.

 

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04/28/2009 8:15 PM  
Well, today was Vet Day. The BIG day I've been waiting for. But before I tell you all what is wrong with my little one I want to clairify my post about the water. It's not that she isn't allowed to play in the water, because she is most certianly allowed to play in the water. When our creek is low enough for them to go swimming in then we all go in and play. We through the ball for Dutchess and Belle goes chasing after Dutchess but never wanting to play just wanting to run around in the water after her sister. The problem with her and the water right now is that she is drinking every little drop she can find and then pulling me as hard as she can to the next puddle of icky water.
So today was the BIG day. My little lady has a very bad bladder infection. The vet gave me some meds and told me to call him on Monday to let him know how Belle's drinking and eating has changed. He also said that some of her behavior could have been caused by the condition. But he also said that the main problem with her is ME! I'm not giving the right signals to her... so as I said before. I have a long way to go but all the tips are helping because she is getting a little better by each day.
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04/28/2009 9:14 PM  
That all sounds like good news, Belle. Now that you have an idea about what is hurting her physically, you can address it and hopefully have more success with the behavioral and emotional progress you both deserve.

Keep us posted, and remember you have a "support group" here!

Dee Dee
Texas BelleUser is Offline
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04/28/2009 9:44 PM  

I am sorry Belle has a bladder infection, but at least you know now and can get it treated.  The bladder infection certainly isn't helping you any with her behavior, so getting it cleared up will help you and Belle.  Keep up the exercise and obedience work with her and I bet you see a marked improvement in no time. 

Good luck and keep us posted.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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04/28/2009 10:59 PM  
Posted By Belle on 04/28/2009 8:15 PM
Well, today was Vet Day. The BIG day I've been waiting for. But before I tell you all what is wrong with my little one I want to clairify my post about the water. It's not that she isn't allowed to play in the water, because she is most certianly allowed to play in the water. When our creek is low enough for them to go swimming in then we all go in and play. We through the ball for Dutchess and Belle goes chasing after Dutchess but never wanting to play just wanting to run around in the water after her sister. The problem with her and the water right now is that she is drinking every little drop she can find and then pulling me as hard as she can to the next puddle of icky water.
So today was the BIG day. My little lady has a very bad bladder infection. The vet gave me some meds and told me to call him on Monday to let him know how Belle's drinking and eating has changed. He also said that some of her behavior could have been caused by the condition. But he also said that the main problem with her is ME! I'm not giving the right signals to her... so as I said before. I have a long way to go but all the tips are helping because she is getting a little better by each day.


 

Well glad  you got a diagnosis.  Hopefully this will also be a lesson for you.  Instead of shocking the dog to keep her from drinking every drop she can get to understand that such a thirst is a natural reaction to the infection and that she was not only trying to help herself but she was giving you a clear signal that something was wrong.


There's a reason I like dogs better'n people... .
BelleUser is Offline
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04/29/2009 8:42 AM  
This definately was a lesson for me. She's always been one to eat too much and drink too much but the switch from not eating to only wanting to drink, yes, should have been a clear sign that something was wrong. I feel really bad knowing that she was sick and not knowing how long she's been sick. I guess there isn't anything I can do about it now.
I worked with her last night and this morning on sit and stay. She does alright with that. I'll keep working with her though and then I think tonight I'm going to see if she will retrieve a tennis ball in the house. I want to get her excited about retrieving.
She got sick last night, I think because she had such a big day in the car. She gets car sick but she didn't get sick in the car so I think her tummy was still upset. I felt so bad for her. But I know she has meds and she will start feeling better in a couple of days. At least she's still waking me up when she has to go.
Texas BelleUser is Offline
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04/29/2009 9:07 AM  

Some advice on the retrieve, if she doesn't want to bring it back to you or tries to get you to chase her, don't.  End the game.  One thing I have always found to work is I put a chair in the yard and bring a book.  I sit in the chair and throw the ball.  I do not get up out of the chair.  If the dog brings the ball back it gets thrown again.  If they don't, I pick up my book and read.  Eventually the dog will bring the ball back as they love the retrieve game (at least all  mine do).  I have even taught all of mine to bring the ball and put it in my hand this way.  Now I don't need the chair anymore.  Just remember if they don't bring it back the game ends. Good luck, have fun and I am so glad you got to the bottom of at least the medical problem.  Also, don't feel guilty, it is very easy to over look a problem when you see the dog all the time.  It took me a while to figure out that my Belle had a shoulder injury when she was about 9 months old.  Heck she even fooled the Doc as she would not show any pain. So, no guilt just be glad you did get to the bottom of the problem.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato
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04/29/2009 12:34 PM  
So glad to hear that you found something out at your appointment and can start doing thing you know are going to help solve the problem! Keep up the training, slow but steady always sinks in and after awhile you'll see that it's not just something you have to take time everyday to do but hopefully it will just become a way of life and feel and become natural to you and her.
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