jwd
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| 04/15/2009 10:36 AM |
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I have a 16 week old male GSP (Chase) who persistently wets his crate during the day while I am at work. He can go all night without a problem and is completely housebroken. This GSP is otherwise so well behaved it scares me. His only issue relates to day-time crate wetting when I am at work. I attribute this to anxiety given that he is never in the crate for more than (3) hours at a time. It only occurs if I am not home. Any suggestions would be appreciated. |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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Wolfe Bellefonte, PA
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| 04/15/2009 11:01 AM |
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It'll pass.. You can try leaving the radio and lights on while your not home.. Just make sure you clean everything daily making sure you get rid of the scent. At 16 weeks expectations are low, their bladders are very unpredictable at that age. Just make sure you take him out as soon as you let him out of the crate. |
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Central.Wa.GSPs
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| 04/15/2009 11:33 AM |
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| Texas Belle makes a good point in asking how much water you give him before he is put into the crate? We had a male pup that would pee because he was punish us and the female pup did fine all day. I agree with leaving the tv on or radio on when you aren't there it does help. Good Luck and have fun! |
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jwd
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| 04/15/2009 11:46 AM |
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I do have a concern that my crate is too big. However, he's growing so fast that it will be perfect for him in a month or too. His bladder control is excellent. My parents have a female litter mate and her bladder control is poor. However, she never wets her crate although she is not as "sensitive" as my guy. As for water, Chase will literally tear through a water bowl without stopping. He doesn't drink small amounts over time like other dogs I've had. |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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everbell Kanata, ON
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| 04/15/2009 12:05 PM |
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| Maybe throw an empty box in the crate until he gets bigger, just to reduce the size he has available? |
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Joce and Rich Bogart and Shiraz (GSPs) Roxane (RIP: 1995-2009) and Tiger Lily (Cats) The Everbell Adventures |
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WildRose Seymour Texas
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| 04/15/2009 1:13 PM |
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Posted By jwd on 04/15/2009 10:36 AM
I have a 16 week old male GSP (Chase) who persistently wets his crate during the day while I am at work. He can go all night without a problem and is completely housebroken. This GSP is otherwise so well behaved it scares me. His only issue relates to day-time crate wetting when I am at work. I attribute this to anxiety given that he is never in the crate for more than (3) hours at a time. It only occurs if I am not home. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Routinely keeping a dog bred to be active stuck in a crate more than 12 hours a day (including night time) borders on cruelty in my opinion and most certainly creates problems.
You need to find some way to keep your dog outdoors where he can go at will and have some quality play time while you are at work.
Dogs forced to be crated so much run a very high risk of bladder and kidney problems as well as developing personality problems.
You really need to rethink the quality of life you are providing for this pup. CR |
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jwd
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| 04/15/2009 1:23 PM |
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Kindly show me how you calculate that the dog is in the crate 12 hours a day? You need to rethink your criticism before you post such nonsense. The dog is up at 5:30 and I leave for work at 8:00. He gets out at 10 for 1/2 to 1 hour and again at lunch for at least that long. The same schedule applies to the afternoon. He is NOT in his crate at night but rather on his own bed next to mine. He is run EVERY DAY, rain or shine. I have owned two GSPs in the past and both lived wonderful and active lives. Your opinion is wrong and you should probably keep it to yourself instead of generating an unresponsive reply based upon a 7 line post. |
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WildRose Seymour Texas
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| 04/15/2009 1:35 PM |
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Posted By jwd on 04/15/2009 1:23 PM
Kindly show me how you calculate that the dog is in the crate 12 hours a day?
I got it from here:
I have a 16 week old male GSP (Chase) who persistently wets his crate during the day while I am at work. He can go all night without a problem and is completely housebroken.
Perhaps you should be more specific, because this certainly gives the impression the dog is crated both all night, and during the day while you are at work.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Apparently that is not the case.
Your opinion is wrong and you should probably keep it to yourself instead of generating an unresponsive reply based upon a 7 line post.
Don't ask for advice or opinions from people with more experience with the breed if you aren't willing to listen and learn. Since you apparently already had all the answers why ask at all?
Getting snarky about well intentioned advice is a sure way not to get any more in the future.
I have owned two GSPs in the past and both lived wonderful and active lives.
We've owned multiple GSP's constantly since 1969 and I currently own 20 adults and 12 under 7 months of age. I didn't show up on this thread to make you feel picked on, I showed up to offer advice to give your dog a better quality of life and to save him problems in the future along with saving you the expense of treating problems created with too much crating.
My advice remains the same, the dog needs more time outdoors in the yard or a kennel in order to remain physically and mentally healthy and happy and doing so will eliminate not only the current problem but future problems.
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MurfsMa Orange County, CA
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| 04/15/2009 1:43 PM |
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JWD- Murphy had an almost identical schedule when he was a little guy and he would wet in his crate as well when we were at work. We found the less space he had in his crate the less it happened. We just kept making his "available" crate space bigger as he grew. Their bladders aren't predictable until about 6 months of age or so... and by then you've probably set him onto a fairly decent routine and he will get the hang of things. We said the same thing about Murf until about 16-18 weeks... "so well behaved it scares me" Those moments became fewer and farther between the psycho puppy moments where we wondered how we let a 30+ pound four legged maniac run our lives every day! Seeing as you've done this before I'm sure you've got it all mapped out and will make it work! Most of what folks said here about limited water intake before putting him up and and limiting his space in the crate should help! Good luck!  |
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smokin deuces Shelbyville, KY
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| 04/15/2009 3:39 PM |
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I'm going to apologize on behalf of Wildrose, that was just condescending and rude. Our GSP male had a similar problem except he would hike his leg and pee outside of his crate everyday. It made the clean up easier but still gross. =) We found that if we raised his crate, ie sat it on top of something, in our case another dog's crate, he would not pee outside or inside of it. After about a week we took his crate down and he's done really well since then. Sometimes the old wives tales really do work. Just another idea that may help your pup. |
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lauralee Plainfield, CT.
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| 04/15/2009 7:06 PM |
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| OK, I think we should all try not to let our panties get in a wad,,just a thought, Tee, Hee, Hee !!!! |
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WildRose Seymour Texas
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| 04/16/2009 2:01 AM |
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Laura there are things I get upset over. Things such as this are not amongst them. A little more clarity in the OP would have avoided the whole thing.
As I'm sure you've seen from other posts, I'm vehemently opposed to the whole idea invented for yuppies that dogs are just fine when crated most of their lives. I will continue to say so.
I've seen way, way to many dogs end up miserable and full of problems because their owners, well intentioned or not, followed the advice given by others that it's just fine to think of the dog as a piece of furniture or something to be shoved into the closet when it's not convenient to give them what they need to be happy and healthy. |
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everbell Kanata, ON
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| 04/16/2009 8:06 AM |
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Wildrose, obviously you care passionately about your dogs. That is a given. I am probably one of those "yuppies" you refer to. You probably wouldn't let me adopt one of your dogs, and nor would I want to, since I am not a hunter. We adopted our two dogs with different jobs in mind (jobs at which they excel): running partners for my husband (a marathon runner), walking partner and exercise motivation for me, and playmates for each other. We have also discovered that they perform different jobs, which we had never anticipated: guarders of the house; stress relievers for me (I have a very serious panic disorder) and good big-dog ambassadors in the neighbourhood. Whether the dogs are out and about in the house and yard, or in their crate, they sleep most of the day. They get a lot of hard exercise (upwards of 2 to 3 hours a day). They are provided with a safe, clean home and all the affection they can handle. I can honestly say that these dogs are very healthy and happy, and I certainly do not equate crating them with shoving them in a closet. I'm not certain that this thread needed to become a platform for you to comment on the decisions we all make about how to love and care for our dogs. Board members should feel free to ask questions such as this without fear of being criticized for their choices (as long as they DO love and care for their dogs). My concern with your response is that it may make new members leery of asking legitimate questions such as this, for fear of reprisal on an unrelated issue. Let's all tone down the rhetoric and return to the issues, shall we? |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 04/16/2009 9:13 AM |
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First, the original post could have been misleading depending on where your head was at when you read it. So, I think everyone can agree that there was room for interpretation there.
Second, crating has different meanings and people use it differently.
For me, I crate my dogs (at least Ringo and Halo) when I deem it necessary for their safety or mine. So, if I have to leave the house for whatever reason, Ringo goes in a crate as he cannot be trusted yet. If it is nice weather I leave my dogs in the backyard. They have a nice kennel to go into if the weather gets bad or they want to get away. If I am at a dog show Halo and Ringo both get crated. I never crate Belle as she is claustrophic. Thankfully, I work from home, so my dogs rarely are crated for any length of time.
Others crate their dogs when they go to work (I used to do that when I worked out of the home). There is nothing wrong with that as long as they get the attention and exercise they need. Is it optimal, no. However, I would prefer to see a dog in a good home even if that means crating during the day, than somewhere where the dog is not loved.
Although I can't speak for Wildrose, my interpretation of what he was trying to say was that he did not like seeing dogs thrown in crates all day and basically forgotten, only to be brought out when the owner decides he wants a few minutes with the dog, then back to the crate and out of sight. No one wants to see a dog in this situation. It is cruel. I do not think that includes folks that have to crate their dog while at work so long as those folks are spending good quality time with the dog and also that the dog is getting the adequate amount of exercise.
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lauralee Plainfield, CT.
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| 04/17/2009 6:41 AM |
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| I too have read some posts, and thought, "Am I getting the complete story reading this post?" Sometimes the way they are written, it does sound like the dog is crated for many hours at a time, but I too hope that's not the case.. Everyone knows that I'll be the first one to respond to a post to inform people that too many hours in a crate isn't humane.. I have written more than once to let someone know, maybe they should have gotten a stuffed toy dog... |
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Miley Michigan
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| 04/18/2009 10:03 PM |
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We had this same problem with Miley. Oh, it was sooo frustrating!!! She would sleep through the night, was completely house broken, but would pee in her crate when we left the house for even an hour! I feel your pain. Just hang in there!!! In our case, and from what it sounds like - yours too, it was an anxiety issue. I was told that if you don't lay anything in the crate, they won't pee because they wouldn't want to lay in it. NOPE! Miley would be covered in it when we got home. We ended up going to walmart and buying a bunch of really cheap towels, and everyday we would put a clean one down. At least it was something to soak it up, and she wasn't just sitting in a puddle. After we trusted her to not chew up our house, we eventually opened up the crate door and gave her free range of the bedroom that her crate was in. That helped a lot. She did pee in there, but not nearly as much. Plus, it was much easier to clean a little spot on the floor than the whole crate, (and her) everyday. We slowly gave her more and more room to roam while we were gone. When she was about 10 months old she had free range of the house. It seemed like the more room we gave her, the less stressed she was. She eventually made her way up to our bedroom where she curls up in a ball on our bed everyday while we're working (hmm... maybe that was her goal all along!?). So spoiled.... Just try to focus on all of his good qualities until he grows out of this . I remember coming home hoping for a miracle and she would be sitting right next to her puddle looking up at me with the sadest eyes like "I didn't mean it mom!!" How could you stay mad at that face?! Good luck!!! |
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WildRose Seymour Texas
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| 04/20/2009 9:54 PM |
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Posted By everbell on 04/16/2009 8:06 AM
Wildrose, obviously you care passionately about your dogs. That is a given.
I am probably one of those "yuppies" you refer to. You probably wouldn't let me adopt one of your dogs, and nor would I want to, since I am not a hunter.
We adopted our two dogs with different jobs in mind (jobs at which they excel): running partners for my husband (a marathon runner), walking partner and exercise motivation for me, and playmates for each other. We have also discovered that they perform different jobs, which we had never anticipated: guarders of the house; stress relievers for me (I have a very serious panic disorder) and good big-dog ambassadors in the neighbourhood.
Whether the dogs are out and about in the house and yard, or in their crate, they sleep most of the day. They get a lot of hard exercise (upwards of 2 to 3 hours a day). They are provided with a safe, clean home and all the affection they can handle. I can honestly say that these dogs are very healthy and happy, and I certainly do not equate crating them with shoving them in a closet.
I'm not certain that this thread needed to become a platform for you to comment on the decisions we all make about how to love and care for our dogs. Board members should feel free to ask questions such as this without fear of being criticized for their choices (as long as they DO love and care for their dogs). My concern with your response is that it may make new members leery of asking legitimate questions such as this, for fear of reprisal on an unrelated issue.
Let's all tone down the rhetoric and return to the issues, shall we?
Well I realize that in todays world of political correctness it's often thought by many that it's rude or out of place to speak judgementally of others.
Obviously as I pointed out in my first post on this thread and subsequently I feel that keeping dogs crated upwards of sixteen to twenty hours a day continually (read my first reply carefully) was tantamount to abuse and obviously neglect.
Unfortunately there are a great many people who live in urban settings, even apartments whom have been convinced by others that dogs do "just fine" in such a condition. Those same owners end up then wondering why Rover and/or Lilly end up with a bus load of physcal, and emotional issues and end up being destructive children whom end up being sent off to rescue programs six months or a year.
Yes, I'm very passionate about my dogs, and all dogs for that matter. As I read the OP, to mean that the dogs were being crated much more than six hours per day with good breaks in between and more like sixteen I felt like this was a horrible situation someone should say something about for the dog's sake. I care a lot more about dogs even dogs I don't know than I do people I don't know and in voicing my concerns I offend a few people I don't really care as long as somewhere down the line it saves a dog from what I consider to be an intolerable life situation.
Fortunately though when the poster cleared up what was actually going on I saw that the dog wasn't in a horrible situation; just one I thought would be greatly improved with more time outdoors to play and more exercise.
PS. You're good people who takes good care of their dogs which is why I respect you even when I disagree with you. |
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