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04/08/2009 9:05 PM  
These post are almost exaclty the opposite of what I have. Wyatt is 5mo old and about 35lbs. We do off leash woods walks all the time. But I have taken him to the dog park to help with socialization. Wyatt was ok on the puppy side. Got real curious with a little yorkie and wouldn't leave it alone. So I took him to the adult side. He is extremely scared over there. So much so he sat beside me the entire time. He did go once and sit with is back to a hurdle as if to say no one can get behind me. He also climbed to the top of the "pyramid" to get away from the other dogs. When they come close he submits, but after they leave he is still shivering with his tail between his legs.
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04/08/2009 9:09 PM  
Leena is very social (now) When we first got her she was very timid around other dogs and people. We just took it slowly and introduced her to friendly dogs and new people. She loves everyone now. She goes to the dog park a few times a week at this point.

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04/08/2009 9:27 PM  

List_House -  Wyatt probably just needs some more exposure to dogs, people and different places.  I would not make a big deal of the fear.  Pups go through several fear stages and he may actually be in one right now.  I would just keep taking him to a variety of places and play with him, give him treats and make it fun.  He will eventually come out of his shell.  Just don't baby him or fuss at him. Treat him like everything is perfectly normal.


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04/08/2009 9:58 PM  
Posted By Bxr-Linda on 04/08/2009 3:34 PM
Posted By WildRose on 04/08/2009 2:24 PM
Your dog was in all likelihood simply being protective and territorial. I'm guessing that having strangers bring strange dogs into his yard is not a common occurance?

If it were more of a common occurance then odds are your dog would not feel the need to react this way.

Dog parks are nothing but a great place for your dog to pick up bad habits and diseases. I would avoid them.


That makes sense. But this was not in our yard.  It was in a field across the street (not really Bo's territory).

The neighbor commented, "you're always nice when you come to visit."  Apparently the few times Bo's been out, he's wondered over to their house. 

I'm surprised so many people are 'anti-dog park.'  I love the dog park!


Well you kind of threw me off with this,

"The other night he was in the yard with my husband. Neighbors walked by with their 1-year old GSP (male, intact).  Bo and the other dog sniffed, then Bo snarled, jumped on him, and took him down! (I wasn't there).  My husband was beyond embarrassed."
 

Rememer dogs don't recognize nor understand property lines.  He was in his mind still pretty much on his home turf, and he had your husband to protect.  Remember one of the POSITIVE traits of the bree is that they are protective.

I'm not "anti dog park", I just don't like having my dogs put into situations where they are exposed to dogs who may or may not be vaccinated, and who may or may not be out of control, and may or may not be aggressive where I cannot do something about it.  Obviously dog parks fall into that category.

If I lived in a city and had no where else to go with my dogs I might do the same thing.

But that's a very large part of why I will never live in the city if I can possibly avoid it.


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04/09/2009 6:09 AM  
Some things that need to be cleared up.
Was it aggression or dominance? Was there a reason for Bo to feel threatened? Was there a need to protect your husband?
I am not aware that the breed is protective. They were never breed to be man aggressive.
I'm a little embarassed to say but both my dogs wouldn't protect me against another human and would hold the door while you emptied the house.


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04/09/2009 6:22 AM  
I'm a little embarassed to say but both my dogs wouldn't protect me against another human and would hold the door while you emptied the house.


Our Bo is like that too... all growly and protective until the person walks in the house and scratches his head. He looks mean enough when he's barking that maybe he would scare people off from coming in the house in the first place :D

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04/09/2009 6:33 AM  
Ok,so what you just posted tells more about Bo.
Does he do this only in his territory? Observing his tail and body posture before and during can tell a lot about what he's thinking. And the sound of his bark. is it gutteral,growly,excited,ect?
You need to determine if Bo is doing this out of fear,anxiety,territorial,dominance or other thoughts you think may be the reason.


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04/09/2009 7:24 AM  
Pixie -- 2 different Bo's here. Bxr-Linda's Bo was the original subject of this thread. Our Bo is just a happy go-lucky "little" guy and I have no unusual concerns about potential aggressive traits out of my momma's boy :D

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04/09/2009 7:46 AM  
I really should have coffee BEFORE I get on the forum in the morning and wine BEFORE I get on in the evening!


"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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04/09/2009 8:38 AM  
FWIW we've had a number of dogs through here for anywhere from an evening to a few months. Dulcie just spends most of her time over in the corner entertaining herself whether she knows the other dogs or not. Rogan likes to play 'crash test dummy' with other males, gotta watch to make sure no sparks go off at first but for the most part it just seems like testosterone poisoning... girls don't seem to like that sort of thing so they usually avoid him for the most part (although he's the go-to dog for a game of chase). My youngest female likes playing with other polite dogs although she's perfectly fine ignoring someone rude, scared, etc.

They're OK with tightly controlled situations with large groups of other dogs, such as the mushing events we go to... loose dogs are an emergency, and the rules everyone goes by are pretty straight forward.

However, they act stressed when dealing with loose, unfamiliar dogs in strange places. It takes time for them to figure out who's what, and if there's a bunch of dogs coming and going- including some rude or pushy ones mashing their neck to the ground while the owner laughs "oh he just wants to play, now be nice Rover!"- they are not real thrilled. Their clear preference is smaller groups of dogs in our yard, where they KNOW I will drop the hammer on anything before it gets out of hand. Yes Rogan, that means I will drop the hammer on YOU too, lol. We've also had good experiences at other people's places under tighter control as well.

I recently heard on NPR about someone starting a private indoor dog park somewhere in Texas... the place had air conditioning and their own handlers on hand at all times to clean up and keep an eye on things. THAT seems like an excellent idea, because those experienced third parties are going to have a big $$$ motivation to nip fights in the bud- or maybe even boot the repeat offenders- so their good clientele will come back.

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04/09/2009 9:41 AM  
They were never breed to be man aggressive.

There's a big difference in "man aggressive" and protective. All of dog behavior cannot be easily piigeon holed into one or two slots like, aggressive/dominant/submissive/subservient. There's also a difference between aggressive and vicious. If a dog isn't protective of my home, property, and family I have no use for them.


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04/09/2009 10:30 AM  
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If a dog isn't protective of my home, property, and family I have no use for them

Sorry to hear this.


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04/09/2009 10:53 AM  
WildRose,
Sorry my description was somewhat vague. We live in a neighborhood; houses fairly close; sidewalks... My husband was out the front of our house with Bo off-leash. Bo maybe did view it as his territory. Maybe he was tired from playing with the great dane and took it out on the other GSP?

Thanks for your comments. I understand what you're saying about dog parks and lack of control. For us, it is one of the few alternatives for off-leash running and socializing.

Perhaps our Bo is just a little more "vocal" or "direct" in communicating. Rather than walking away when he's had enough of another dog, he growls and snaps?

My original question was kind of a general --are GSP's not dog-social. It seems the consensus is that this is more of an individual personality trait and not a breed trait.
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04/09/2009 10:56 AM  
I have to admit as well that the reason I was looking at a bigger breed dog (before we found Wachter) was that I needed a dog for protection... Honestly, I already had 2 dogs and a cat the only reason I was adding another creature was for the perceived protection value a big dog would provide. (as opposed to two walking miniature mops)

Although I am happy to say that Wachter has proved to be useful and endearing in many other ways than just chasing off unwanted visitors, and sales people. I wouldn't change him for the world now. But, my animals have to be a bit more than just companions.. they have to have a purpose and if I had not needed the "deterring alarm" then I never would have started looking for a big dog, or even considered keeping Wachter when we found him.

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04/09/2009 11:00 AM  
Now that's has been brought up... the incident I mentioned with Bo and the younger neighbor GSP may have been more of a dominance thing. (I didn't see it happen.) The younger dog is another male and intact.
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04/09/2009 11:07 AM  

Rocky is PROTECTIVE!!  No problem in open fields, in dog parks, backyard with the neighbor kids throwing ball to him. His protective gaurdy times are when he is on leash with me. So I just walk him on leash and hope for many distractions so I can correct him with the "leave it command" when his forehead un -wrinkles I give him much verbal praise. Also Rocky gets in a jumble with an ambulatory delivery person going to anyones house. UPS Guy, Our mail person, Fed Ex. they are all on Rocky's list. He agressively barks at them. So at this point, I would never trust Rocky not to bite a delivery person or a stranger coming up to pet him if we are on a leash walk.  The front door is the gaurdy barky door and our garage door is Rocky's happy door who he greets tail wagging  family and friends. In Rocky's mind bad people enter the front door and good people enter our house thur the garage door. So I always tell my friends to come to my garage happy door  So you can see Rocky and I have lots to work on!! We are deeply in the social GSP training Club along with Bxr-Linda's Bo, Bean girl and now I see after reading some of this thread. Ruby girl can join as the newest memberWelcome Ruby!!  PS Rocky did pass his Canine Good citizen test the first time as there were no Mail men or front doors on this test


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04/09/2009 11:10 AM  
Bo is very friendly toward people, and we haven't experienced him acting aggressively or protective toward people.

It's just other dogs he seems to sometimes take issue with. ;)
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04/09/2009 11:19 AM  

Linda ... like I said, this situation sounds exactly like what happened between our Bo and his buddy Hershey. Just keep an eye on it. These guys tend to sound pretty fierce even when the situation is under control.


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04/09/2009 11:27 AM  

My girls are the protectors in the family right now.  Ringo is still figuring all that out and will follow whatever Belle does, but is not quite sure why yet.  Belle as my alpha is the lead in the protection department and I couldn't ask for a better dog there.  She alerts whenever there is a stranger in the front yard or if there is something that is bothering her, and I don't mean squirrels, birds, etc.  When she barks, I listen and check it out as she rarely barks, and never barks for just the fun of it.  If she is barking, something has her worried..  She also will back a stranger up against a wall in a heartbeat unless I am there and tell her it is ok.  She doesn't attack, she just pins them and they are afraid to move.  Also, people who come to my door (strangers, not friends) always step back off the front porch when they hear her on the otherside of the door.  That is ok by me as I don't worry that someone will easily push their way into the house.  She does quiet and back off with one word from me. Halo is the perfect backing protector dog to Belle as she follows Belles lead to perfection.  Right now Ringo just barks and watches and does what Belle does.  I am certain that they would all three protect me if needed.  Thankfully it has never been needed.  I have never felt more safe than with my three shorthairs.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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04/09/2009 12:32 PM  
I always thought my crew would be worthless because while they bark they pretty much love everyone (too much actually- 'sorry about the footprints', lol). But then I had a strange guy drive by a camp site at 2AM while I was out alone w/ the hounds years ago... I'm VERY glad the guy didn't get near us because Rogan acted like he was about ready to tear someone a new orifice, and Dulcie was more than willing to back him up. !!!

I still suspect someone could walk off with everything in the house, or even make off with the hounds themselves. But apparently there's not going to be bad men messing with momma. That's perfect IMO.

Megan
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