Bxr-Linda Oregon
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| 04/08/2009 1:04 PM |
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Do you find that your GSP is social with other dogs?
My boxers were ALWAYS more than happy to play with other dogs, and they never initiated any aggression. I believe they lived to go to the dog park!
Bo, on the other hand, is turning out to be not so social.
The other night he was in the yard with my husband. Neighbors walked by with their 1-year old GSP (male, intact). Bo and the other dog sniffed, then Bo snarled, jumped on him, and took him down! (I wasn't there). My husband was beyond embarrassed.
I've had Bo to the dog park a few times. He's okay. He seems tolerant of the other dogs, but not anxious to engage in playing. He has growled at a couple of dogs at the park. Once he did get into the middle of a fight and came home bloody.
I'm just wondering if this is typical GSP, or maybe just our dog?
He is 3. We adopted him from the shelter, so I do not know what his prior experiences have been. |
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carlower1 Kansas
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| 04/08/2009 1:28 PM |
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Wachter is VERY social with dogs, people, kids, and especially BABIES!!! But I still monitor his reactions closely just incase there is a personality clash somewhere.
I know that there are times with my Shih-tzus he just gets to be too much for Macey (the old lady) and she turns around and snips at him. I have also seen situations at the dog park where he invades someone's personal space a little too much (imagine that) and they snip.
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Marie Wisconsin
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| 04/08/2009 1:28 PM |
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Keep exposing Bo to more dogs and more dogs. Step in if you see his hair ruff up make him get back and sit till he calms down. Good if you can get Bo around your friends well balanced dogs for him to practice. Keep him on leash by your side if you see a strange dog coming at you.No, it is not uncommon with GSPs to want to be the top dog and act aggressive toward other dogs. We just have to be their boss and show them we will not accept aggressive behavior toward other dogs. Training is on going and continues!!! Doing lots a work with Rocky on our walks. Bo, Bean and Rocky are all in the same socializing training club Good luck |
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Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab18/Annette_Merryfield/100_0285.jpg?t=1287205231 |
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Bxr-Linda Oregon
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| 04/08/2009 1:43 PM |
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I'll have to make a point to take him to the dog park. He just doesn't seem to care at all. The few times that he has gotten snippy, I can see a reason. Although I don't want to make excuses for his behavior. I don't want to tolerate aggression at all. I'd like to be able to trust him 100% of the time with other dogs (or at least 99.9%). The other night Bo had been playing for some time with the neighbor's great dane before he met the GSP. He may have been tired, overwhelmed.... I don't know. The last time I took him to the dog park, I knelt down to pet a boxer. I was patting the boxer's head and he was licking my face. Bo came up on my other side. I had one hand on each dog, petting them both at the same time. I heard growling, realized it was Bo, just as he nipped toward the boxer! |
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BEANS Washington state
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| 04/08/2009 1:44 PM |
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SAME CLUB, no doubt Bean is a work in progress, but is so much more social, than she used to be. It is a lot of work, and trying at times. I NEVER would have thought Bean would reach the level she is now. I'm sure the majority of GSP's are very social....NOTE>>
Rocky, Bean & Bo are all rescues !!!!!! We accepted them into our lives like grab bags ....Mine is still full of surprises ( daily )
She has been on a roll this week, having quite the BRATTITUDE...so we kicked the training up a notch..and today we were approached by a Mail carrier lady...who obviously had the GSP bug.....You know ??? We have that glazed over look in our eyes when we see another GSP ? .......we gave her some chicken, to meet Bean with...and they were good to go....she has an 8 yr old named OBERON.. |
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lauralee Plainfield, CT.
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| 04/08/2009 1:58 PM |
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I find that dogs are like people. even GSP's come in varying degrees of sociability.. My Ruby is a dominating bitch, When she meets another dog, she approaches with a slow persnickety stance. If they but their face in her face she growls. If they don't turn away she snaps.. Luckily, most dogs just turn and ignore her. I have tried everything to stop this behavior, and nothing works. I've come to the conclusion that she is not a social dog, and avoid the face to face meets. She loves other people, but not other dogs.. Sadie, on the other hand loves other dogs and people, and is a very sociable dog |
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TessaGA Georgia
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| 04/08/2009 2:08 PM |
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Dog parks are extremely unstable environments. I personally avoid them and would recommend you do so if you have a dog that is so-so with other dogs. I don't mean that you should withdraw your dog from the social scene; I recommend a controlled environment, e.g. dogs you know and owners that are in control and attentive. An obedience class would be a good place to start, this way you can get some guidance from the trainer as well. There will always be dogs that don't get along well with other or some dogs, and there can be many reasons for it. |
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To live without dogs would mean accepting a form of blindness. [Thomas McGuane]
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WildRose Seymour Texas
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| 04/08/2009 2:24 PM |
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Your dog was in all likelihood simply being protective and territorial. I'm guessing that having strangers bring strange dogs into his yard is not a common occurance? If it were more of a common occurance then odds are your dog would not feel the need to react this way. Dog parks are nothing but a great place for your dog to pick up bad habits and diseases. I would avoid them. |
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Bxr-Linda Oregon
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| 04/08/2009 3:34 PM |
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Posted By WildRose on 04/08/2009 2:24 PM
Your dog was in all likelihood simply being protective and territorial. I'm guessing that having strangers bring strange dogs into his yard is not a common occurance?
If it were more of a common occurance then odds are your dog would not feel the need to react this way.
Dog parks are nothing but a great place for your dog to pick up bad habits and diseases. I would avoid them.
That makes sense. But this was not in our yard. It was in a field across the street (not really Bo's territory).
The neighbor commented, "you're always nice when you come to visit." Apparently the few times Bo's been out, he's wondered over to their house.
I'm surprised so many people are 'anti-dog park.' I love the dog park! |
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Somer Houston, TX
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| 04/08/2009 3:46 PM |
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I take mine to the dog park all the time. The ones I go to are also larger than most.. 13-17 acres so it is easy to get away from problem dogs/owners and I only go during low traffic times. Unfortunately, most owners seem to think the dog park is social hour for them, too, and don't pay attention to their dogs. Mine are not snarky but very picky about who they play with. They like to play with dogs that have similar temperaments/personalities but usually they just play together. Boxers are the worst offenders at the dogs parks I go to. They don't seem to respond to other dogs body language AT ALL and maybe that is why your boxers seem more friendly. |
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Pointer Fan Westminster, Colorado
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| 04/08/2009 3:59 PM |
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| Molly is not very social with other dogs but is great with people. She is not aggressive toward other dogs, she just prefers not to have anything to do with them. At the big dog park she will sniff and howdy and then either wants the other owners to pet her or she wants to go off and "hunt". At the daycare she avoids most of the dogs and hangs out with the pet guardians. |
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LuckyPenny
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| 04/08/2009 5:35 PM |
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Hi everyone, I know that it's a bit of an odd time to introduce ourselves, but I really felt the need to respond and perhaps receive a bit of advice. We adopted our GSP, Penny, in January from the shelter. We took her to some dog parks, and she got into a few arguments, but all in all she seemed fine and loved the opportunity to run off leash. However, I would watch these arguments unfold, and it seems as if Penny has bad doggie manners. She doesn't seem to understand that a growl means go away. She had an incident a few weeks ago where she and another dog got into it and Penny latched on to the other dog. Luckily, no blood, no breaking of the skin, just a very upsetting situation. Have any of you ever had any experience with a dog with no "doggie manners?" She just seems very playful and highly stimulated and it really angers the other dogs. The owner of the doggie daycare mentioned the same thing and pulled her out of play group. This is my first dog (besides the ones I had growing up) and my first GSP. I would really appreciate any shared experiences or advice. Thanks so much Laura and Penny |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 04/08/2009 5:45 PM |
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All three of my dogs are very social and for the most part get along with other dogs. Halo is a bit more stand offish than Belle and Ringo and she doesn't like dogs that are pushy and in her face and will warn them to back off. She has never gotten into with any dog though as she will give other dogs wide berth most of the time and they can never catch her because she is fast. I don't particularly like dog parks because many owners think they are places to just turn their dogs loose with no supervision. There are some hiking areas in Austin, TX that are off leash and I much prefer them as they are not as crowded and the owners and dogs seem to be more aware.
LuckyPenny - I am just guessing since I know nothing of the history of your dog, but is sounds like she may have been taken away from her mom and the litter at and early age and did not get the benefit of the socialization skills of her family. Dogs start learning interaction with other dogs and proper behavior from their mom and littermates. When they go home it is also good to keep up the socialization with people and animals. Sounds to me like Penny did not get that when she was young. I would suggest you and Penny register in an obedience class and let the instructor know about Penny's socialization problem. The class with other people and dogs will help Penny and the instructor should be able to show you how to deal with the behavior.
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
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everbell Kanata, ON
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| 04/08/2009 5:54 PM |
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I know some of the board members live on property with some acreage (lucky you guys). However, for the rest of us urban dwellers, dog parks and off leash parks are a god send. This is a great occasion for socializing (both two- and four-legged) and some great exercise (again, two- and four-legged). At our park the big problem is people not picking up the poop. The other problem is that people tend to congregate near the entrance, and that seems to be where the problems often originate -- people yakking and not paying attention to what their dogs are getting into. Fortunately, once you get beyond the front area, there is a huge forested area where most dogs are pretty well behaved (probably because they are wearing themselves out getting some exercise.) I think if you pay attention to the group dynamics at the dog park, you can probably avoid most of the situations. Our Bo is a VERY social dog, but even he has his moments (and some dogs have moments with him) ... if we see that happening we call him back to us, and move on somewhere else in the park. |
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Joce and Rich Bogart and Shiraz (GSPs) Roxane (RIP: 1995-2009) and Tiger Lily (Cats) The Everbell Adventures |
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everbell Kanata, ON
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| 04/08/2009 5:59 PM |
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Oh ... and a very similar incident I thought I would relate.
A couple weeks ago, our Bo was playing with a neighbourhood friend ... a one-year old intact chocolate lab. Well, I guess Hershey has discovered he is a boy, and kept trying to mount Bo. Bo just kept growling and snarling and sounding like he was going to freak on Hershey. We all kept a very close eye on the situation, and each time Hershey got away from Bo, he came right back for more. It sounded terrible, but we decided to let the boys sort it out, and they did.
Anyhow, it could have been a dominance move that your Bo was having no part of. |
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Joce and Rich Bogart and Shiraz (GSPs) Roxane (RIP: 1995-2009) and Tiger Lily (Cats) The Everbell Adventures |
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vnrose53
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| 04/08/2009 6:03 PM |
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Neither of mine are very social. At the dog park (I don't have 40 acres and my semi-urban area doesn't have miles of leash-free trails) Chelsea just wants to "hunt" and Jasper to play fetch. Chelsea will occasionally play briefly with other dogs but she is very picky and will definitely warn off ill-mannered dogs. They were both rescues and I don't think either was properly socialized. Neither is aggressive when we meet other dogs out on walks although Chelsea is definitely a little suspicious.
I think sometimes a dog will pick up on body or eye contact language from another dog that we don't recognize. Its impossible to tell sometimes where these sudden bursts come from.
A friend's young Aussie recently went for and put on the ground a cocker spaniel that had gotten out of its house and charged him. My friend was concerned enough to consult a trainer, but after observing Toby behaving calmly off-leash around other dogs, the trainer told her that he had probably just been teaching the rude dog a lesson--which can be dangerous when there's a huge size disparity!
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vermitr
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| 04/08/2009 6:19 PM |
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Our GSP is also a rescue. He is a little protective. When we go to the bark park, he seems to be the unwilling center of attention from the other dogs. He usually tolerates the little dogs nipping at his legs. But if they squeak, he thinks that they are a toy. Willie barks at strangers, even from the car. Bo may just be working through some past experience and may be protective like Willie. Once he has been in your pack for awhile, I expect he will become more relaxed. |
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TessaGA Georgia
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| 04/08/2009 6:45 PM |
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I live in town, and I don't even have a yard, much less a fenced yard. I live a 15 minute walk from the UGA intramural fields, and there is a large fenced off-leash area. No one keeps their dog on a leash outside of it either. And no one cleans up. I know of people that take there dogs there that are both dog and people aggressive. "He's been fine so far". The local vets refer to the pond as "parvo pond". I generally avoid it. I am lucky though that I live 6 miles from a large park that rents out dog parks for $ 1 per dog per hour - I can get together with people and dogs I know, which is much safer. They even provide water bowls and poop bags. I am also lucky that the NAVHDA folks train only one hour away, so once a month at least she gets to run on there, and with lots of like-minded dogs. |
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To live without dogs would mean accepting a form of blindness. [Thomas McGuane]
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pixie bee
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| 04/08/2009 6:58 PM |
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I didn't read all the replies so nI may be repeating what others have said. It is an individual things not a breed thing. |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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cdansan Northwestern, Vermont
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| 04/08/2009 7:03 PM |
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I live in a rural area and frequent a town path which is not exactly off leash legal, but 90% of dogs will be loose. My GSP is not interested in the other dogs or people. There are birds and bunnies that need to be pointed at. He will sniff other dogs a little, but normally just in passing. He has had only one disagreement with a yellow lab in the feed store. The other dog growled and snapped at him and he went after it. They were both on leashes and it was no big deal.
Manners are learned from repeated exposure to strange dogs and places while YOU are in control of the situation. A dog loose in the dog park is not under your control. He is free to make decisions that he does not have the experience to make.
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