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TessaGAUser is Offline
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03/27/2009 3:45 PM  
I am not talking about putting the puppy in a bubble. I am talking about not "roadworking" (jogging, biking, etc) long distances (for a puppy), repetitive, pounding movements, which is really bad for joints, much less the ones still developing. The difference between a jog and puppy romping and playing on its own, is that jogging is continuous movement whereas when puppies play on their own it' more varied.

Jumping over obstacles on a regular basis is bad as well. I am not talking about an occasional leap over a log. But ask agility people, they do not start their dogs until at least 12-15 months old, or even older.

Just use common sense.


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03/27/2009 3:49 PM  

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03/27/2009 4:47 PM  
pvstks -- I remember when we were waiting to pick up Bo. It was much like I'm sure waiting for achild to be born is like. I was so excited when we went down to pick him out, and then had to wait another 4 weeks to bring him home. That four weeks was the longest four weeks of my life so far.

Now tomorrow, almost 2 years exactly to the day, we are going back to the breeder to see about fostering one of her breeding bitches. I can't wait 'cuz I know Bo would LOVE to have a play buddy. I'm just hoping Shiraz feels the same way about Bo :D

As for the running with the dog, if I remember Bo at 8 to 12 weeks, taking him for walk was a challenge let alone running. I'm sure people thought we were abusing our dog dragging him behind us. :)

There's a very recent thread on this forum about running with young dogs. You may find before they get to a year of age they don't have the concentration or interest in more than a half mile or so anyhow. You may want to check out what others have said on the topic.

Welcome to the group and get us pix as soon as you can!

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03/27/2009 7:34 PM  

Our 11 mos old pup (who is a sweet lovable dufus type, not a hardcore GOTTA GO kinda GSP) is already up to roading (in a harness, in front of a UTV - which is important because this is far faster than any human can run) for 3 miles. So, my piece of advice:

Every dog is different. Work your way up over many days and weeks. Watch for signs that feet are getting shredded or joints are sore. If no soreness is apparent, keep going and let the dog tell you what he/she wants to do. Don't assume that because a dog is still a pup that it can't handle quite a bit.

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04/09/2009 11:32 AM  

Just got bad news  .  Puppies born yesterday -- all in good health - which is good, but 6 girls and 3 boys...  I was #4 to place a deposit -- the other 3 want boys too.  I'm so depressed I can't stand it.  Losing my best frined last fall and now this -- I'm done with dog ownership. 

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04/09/2009 11:56 AM  

pvstks - Don't get down because you missed the cut on puppies. I was in the same boat when I got Halo. I had lost my best friend (my cocker spaniel) to kidney failure and although I had Belle, she was more my husbands' dog. I had put a deposit down wanting a male and there were only 2 in the litter, and they were spoken for. My breeder eventually talked me into taking a girl and I am so glad I did as she is momma's girl, but I still did not have my boy. At least, not until last July when I finally got Ringo. That too was a waiting game and I almost didn't get him. My husband was battling cancer, but it was in remission when we decided to add our male pup. My breeder was going to breed Halo's mom. Well to make a long story short, it didn't take and everyone was disappointed. The next time the mom was about to come in season the breeder contacted me and I said I still wanted a male pup and she gave me pick. So, I put the deposit down and the waiting game began. The pups were born and white boy was it from day one. That is when the other shoe fell and we found out my husbands cancer was back and the prognosis was terminal. At that point I was going to call my breeder and tell her I couldn't take the pup. My wonderful husband wouldn't let me do that as he said I would need that special boy. He was right, and I got my momma's boy, Ringo, at a time when I really needed him. He saved me during the dark times with his playful puppy exuberance, but he also was the happiest puppy I had ever seen (still is).

Anyway, my message is everything happens for the best and the really special things are worth waiting for. It was not the right time or the right dog for you. (Sounds like a bunch of cliches, but they are true.) So, hang in there and keep looking for your next heart dog. He is out there waiting for you to find him, and when you do you will know it, and it will be perfect.

PS - I ended up with three heart dogs: Belle (my rock, perfect girl, and alpha), Halo (momma's lovey girl), and the boy I always wanted and took me 3 years to get, my happy go lucky Ringo (momma's lovey boy).


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

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04/09/2009 12:45 PM  

I'm sorry it didn't work out for you.  But, I think it is because the dog you are meant to have is out there or soon to be out there.  Don't give up!!!  Life is so much better with a loving dog in it!!!


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04/09/2009 1:15 PM  
Bev, that story gets me every time. My heart goes out to you, it does.

But Bev is right - it all happens for a reason. When my late American Bulldog died last August, I was dead-set on getting another, my fourth, AB. Breeder friends happened to have a litter on the ground - their first - and although the dogs were all spoken for, one turned out to be on the shy/timid side and she shied away from her prospective owner (but loved his kids), so they wanted her to go to a home they knew could bring her out of her shell, and that was close to them, and I was offered the pup. She happened to be a mirror image of my late Milka. It all seemed perfect.

But it was not to be. Not only was she shy, she also started ripping into my neighbor's dog and snapping at people - 8 weeks old - something they had not seen before. We mutually agreed Fenya and I were not the right match, and after just 4 days she went back. I cried just as much as I cried for my late Milka - it was heartwrenching. I know what you mean when you say, you just lost another dog (although you didn't even have it yet). And like you I just didn't see the good in it and thought I was doomed as a dog owner.

What came out of that experience though was just three weeks later I ended up with my first GSP, sweet Tessa.

So don't give up! Maybe one of the buyers will back out? Now that would be fate! Are there other breeders you would consider? There are a ton of GSP pups out there at any given time...maybe yours is already waiting to be picked up? I am not saying to go out and get the next best. But when I went through this, the search, and research, helped me a lot with my grief and frustration, because it got me all excited and hopeful again.

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04/09/2009 1:56 PM  

Bev, armyma & Tessa,

Thanks so much for your support!!!!  Right now my head hurts - I have so many thoughts and emotions going around...  I don't know what to think.  I really like the breeder, the stud is one of the best dogs I've ever seen, but I've never owned a female dog (I've had 5 +4 of my father's).  The options are this:  2 of the male dogs are definately gone, the one person ahead of me on the deposits "prefers" a male, but wants to wait a few weeks to see the personalities.  That's a dilemma, though -- if he does decide to take a female, do I get stuck with the "worst" male???  Would I have been better off taking the best female which I could have right now if I want???  I have no idea what to do with a female dog (I know that sounds stupid).  AAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!

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04/09/2009 2:11 PM  
pvsts,

I can understand a little about how you feel.. When we found Wachter I was in line to get a Female Greyhound. Everything fell through at the last moment and I was heartbroken.. I have NEVER dealt with a male dog so I had no idea what I was getting into..

The good thing about dogs is that for the most part the rules are the same no matter the gender.. except for the girls you have to keep them inside in diapers until you get them fixed ;) I wouldn't rule out getting the best female, she may surprise you!

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04/09/2009 2:18 PM  

Everyone has preferences, I have always preferred females, although it would be nice to have a male and a female. But I only have time and resources for one.

This is what I would do: stay in touch with the breeder, go see the litter, maybe at different stages, talk to the breeder, find out what he sees in the pups. Be open to a female. See what the breeder thinks male vs female. If your gut instinct still says male, or you just don't like any of the females, hold off on it. Don't get too desperate.

A friend of mine has always had male dogs and got his first female a few years ago, and he says he digs the "female vibe".


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04/09/2009 2:20 PM  

Go visit with the pups and take a long hard look at the females and the one remaining male.  Let your heart and head guide you, but take the dog you like best regardless of sex.  If that is the male, then you wait patiently.  If it is the female, then you are done and problem solved. 

I was just the opposite from you, I had not had a male dog since I was a small child.  Now that I have both male and female, there really is very little difference.  These are to some degree generalities and there are exceptions, but I would say the females calm down and mature faster than the males.  They are also easier to train at a younger age (maturity playing a big factor here).  Females also do not appear to be as bull headed as the males (meaning my females do not test my authority nearly as much as my boy does).  I have also heard and observed that the males tend to bond more with the human females in the family and the females tend to bond more with the human males in the family.  Again, there are exceptions to the above, but some food for thought.

I would also put a heavy emphasis on what the breeder thinks is the best dog for you as the breeder knows their lines better than anyone.  My breeder strongly ecouraged me to take Halo.  She told me she thought Halo was the best dog in that particular litter.  I now have to agree having seen many of her brothers and sisters as adults.

Good luck in your decision and keep us posted.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

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04/09/2009 2:31 PM  

Also, each sex, male of female, can produce outstanding or crappy dogs when it comes to performance.

I was at a NAVHDA testing day, and that little 44-lbs black GSP female took the cake that day. Although I loved her from the get-go, to some she may not have looked at all like what she had in her. The guys said she was the smallest of the litter. She got a standing ovation from the judges.


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04/09/2009 4:40 PM  
Ok, different breed, but my story may help.

3 1/2 years ago, I was looking for another Sheltie. I had two boys. I was sure I wanted another boy. My now 9-year old boy Sheltie is the best agility dog I have ever had and is so biddable and sweet. The litter had four pups - pretty normal for a Sheltie litter - two boys and two girls. The breeder and I e-mailed back and forth, I received videos, etc. She picked a bitch for herself and then told me one male was definitely less outgoing and I agreed her should be placed with someone else. So, I packed up my car with my then two GSPs and two Shelties, and headed off to pick up my boy.

I arrived and met the whole crew. I then watched as three puppies came zooming around a corner. I got down to play, and tossed a ball of paper. The nice boy brought it right back to me. Then, this hellion female grabbed it and ran away. I observed some more. I stood up and said to the breeder, do you mind if I take the girl? She nearly fell over, since all I had talked about was a boy, but agreed.

Ozma came home with me. I named her after a fairy princess who rules Oz in the L. Frank Baum stories. The breeder's only comment was, "well, she will be a ruler!" Long story short, I made the right decision. She has the spunk and spark I want. She is hard to live with as she is super active, high drive, and is very loud. She is also adventurous, very devoted, smart and eager to learn. I love her to death. I am so very glad I looked beyond gender and got my first girl Sheltie!

Eleanor in NJ
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04/09/2009 5:29 PM  
Ya know,
you would probably be much better off with a female anyway. I am surprised the breeder would sell a male DK to a non hunting/tsting home,anyway.(or any DK to a non hunting/testing home)
Male DKs are sometimes really difficult to handle-it's what you call- 'more dog' then an owner wants or needs.


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04/09/2009 6:12 PM  
But, whatever you decide...make it your own decision. If you are not happy with your choices then wait. Its not the end of the world, though it may seem like it right now.
These pups were just born yesterday and already folks are saying "that's mine, no, its mine" ???

As a breeder, I can tell you there's much more to it than having deposits for four girls and only winding up with three, but plenty of boys available. It seems like there is always a preference for one sex or the other and not necessarily for the best reasons. Heck, I've even had folks "order" certain color patterns or markings.

You ask about the "pick", and getting the worst of the boys. Well, you just can't second guess on one or the other, particularly since you don't have a history with either the sire or dam of these puppies. At my house, puppies are matched to their prospective owners' personalities and needs. As an example, if someone has first pick show boy (based on when their deposit was received) then they get pictures of those judged as show boys as they grow. They may prefer a certain marking, but if that puppy is double ugly I will try to point out what they should be looking for. Its difficult to say Green puppy is better than Blue puppy for Mrs. Hobnob, when Mrs. Dorkly may actually be the better choice. In other words, what may be Mrs. Hobnob's pick may not be Mrs. Dorkly's. You need to spend a lot of time visiting with the breeder, specially after the pups are mobile and with their eyes open. Sit and watch them (I can do this for hours) and see who is the one that your eye is drawn to without considering sex. It might be a girl. If its not, and it doesn't work out, there will be others. Don't give up just because one litter didn't work out.

I've had 2heart dogs that were boys and one of the most obnoxious girls ever (who no one could stand but me) who was also my heart dog. I still miss that old curmudgeon

Keep a stiff upper lip and lots of patience!

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04/10/2009 6:43 AM  
Posted By singltrak on 04/09/2009 6:12 PM
But, whatever you decide...make it your own decision. If you are not happy with your choices then wait. Its not the end of the world, though it may seem like it right now.
These pups were just born yesterday and already folks are saying "that's mine, no, its mine" ???


Well, it's not actually that bad -- just that some people who had placed deposits definately wanted males -- others wanted females.

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04/10/2009 10:16 AM  
pvstks, I beleive things happen for a reason !! Don't be so set on a male,, open your mind to consider a female. I think things will work out for the best..
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04/13/2009 12:19 PM  
After reading posts, talking to the breeder, friends, family, complete strangers, etc., we've made a decision... We're going to get a puppy regardless of the sex -- just want to make sure the the temperament is right!
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04/13/2009 12:43 PM  

You won't regret it whether you get a male or a female.  These are great dogs.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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