Ace1cappuccino Carp Lake, Michigan
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| 03/12/2009 3:04 PM |
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Hi, I have 2 of my dogs that are about due for distemper shots. Question is : the vet wants $45. per dog plus $40 office visit. She'd probably only hit me for the one dog but both at the same time. Anyways, at tractor supply store they have a shot for $6. that had canine distemper, parainfluenza, and some other in it. Can I buy those or will the extra meds be a bad thing? It is a 5 or 6 way shot. I wish I could remember what all is in it. I just don't want to OD my dogs. Any help would be appreciated.
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singltrak Las Cruces, NM
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| 03/12/2009 6:12 PM |
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A couple of things come to mind. First of all, how old is everyone and when did they have their last distemper immunizations? What kind of protocol is your vet following? I am of the opinion that the less vaccination, the better. Colorado State is following a protocol beginning at 8 weeks-3 shots and then nothing for another year, but there are studies which show that often the initial series is enough and more is just overkill. It kind of worries me that you say the available shot at Tractor supply has distemper,parainfluenza and some other thing??????? If it is a 5-way (DHPP) or 6 way (DHPPL) then it probably wouldn't hurt, but you won't necessarily have a guarantee against disease as you would if you go to your vet for the same. I'd talk to the vet, ask her what she feels is absolutely necessary and what you don't need unless you are heading for a big gathering of some sort, where there may be lots of dogs with different immunities to things. Sometimes they are willing to discount shots also if you agree to buy several (say for all your dogs). Parvo is always rampant in the Springtime, as is corona...be careful and be aware. Phyllis and the Singltrak furtribe www.singltrakshorthairs.net/ |
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DesertRoseKennel
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| 03/12/2009 7:38 PM |
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I've done all my own except rabies for years - huge $$ saver for us. But I'm a pharmacist with injection training and experience. As Phyllis says, you need to educate yourself and develop a desired protocol and stick to it. I give shots starting a 6-7 weeks every 3-4 weeks (3 shots minimum) until age 16 weeks. Then again in one year, then every 3 years. That's the latest AVMA guidance. But you need to decide on whether you're going to cover for corona, and you need to be careful about reactions to lepto. |
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pixie bee
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| 03/13/2009 4:12 AM |
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| Your dogs immunity is probably established, making yearly,bi-yearly shots unnecessary. Do some research,you may be surprized at what you uncover about shots and how vets use this method to butter their bread. |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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hjackson West Mansfield, Oh
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| 03/13/2009 4:15 AM |
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This is the same protocol we follow. I worked for a vet for almost 9 years and getting ready to start working for another. Then after the year vaccine - some of the dogs will only get rabies some of the dogs will get DHLPPC every 3 - 4 years. It just depends on what we are doing with them. I usually vaccinate myself.
Posted By singltrak on 03/12/2009 6:12 PM
A couple of things come to mind. First of all, how old is everyone and when did they have their last distemper immunizations? What kind of protocol is your vet following? I am of the opinion that the less vaccination, the better. Colorado State is following a protocol beginning at 8 weeks-3 shots and then nothing for another year, but there are studies which show that often the initial series is enough and more is just overkill.
Phyllis and the Singltrak furtribe
www.singltrakshorthairs.net/
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lauralee Plainfield, CT.
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| 03/13/2009 7:35 AM |
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| My friend Debbie, and I have had this very same concern about vaccines. My plan is to stop vaccines, except for Rabies of courses, at the age of 3yrs, and then get titres done. To me it only makes sense, not to keep vaccinating if a dogs level of immune to a disease is already high. We as people don't get vaccinated throughout our lifetime, so why should dogs have to |
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Marie Wisconsin
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| 03/13/2009 9:35 AM |
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Just want to share real life experiences. It is not fun to watch a friend who lost 2 of her three dogs in 6 days because the disease her dogs contracted didnot listen to the titres levels. She believed in just the rabies too and other shots evey 3 years. "My dogs donot go any where just my yard and leash sidewalk walks.".... A few years ago when I brought Rocky into the Vet because of uncontrolled diarrhea, my Vet said," At least we can rule out the diseases I often see in my office because of lack of vaccinations." The last time Rocky and I were to our Vet a few weeks ago, my Vet said another one of my neighbors Labs is being treated for a disease which could have been prevented by vaccination. Super powerful bugs are out there. These bugs donot listen to these studies that prove dogs are over vaccinated. |
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singltrak Las Cruces, NM
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| 03/13/2009 10:15 AM |
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I think that is probably due to viruses mutating and becoming stronger rather than lessening of vaccination procedures. There are several different strains of parvo, and yet you constantly can't be vaccinating against each one. It is a crap shoot. Here in NM, my vet doesn't even stock vaccine with Leptospira. We've had perhaps two dogs in the entire county die from that in the past 7-8 years, and the vaccine can cause very adverse reaction, even death. So, do you second guess that one? Just out of curiosity, what was the disease that the Labrador was diagnosed with? |
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pixie bee
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| 03/13/2009 10:41 AM |
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Isn't parvo a virus? Can you vaccinate against a virus?
I am under the imresion that it needs to run it's course,good or bad.
or maybe that's after they have it?
yep, just thinking about what I wrote and it doesn't make much sense.
Getting rid of it is the hard part protecting against it is easier.
While I feel there is always something that can happen, you can't guard against it all and while there are extreme cases we do need to keep a level head as to what is practical and what is an over reaction |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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caroline_mae Clemson, SC
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| 03/13/2009 11:14 AM |
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Honestly if you follow directions on the label you should be fine vaccinating yourself. Of course rabies needs to be done by a licensed veterinarian. No the different techniques as far as administration whether its subcutaneous or intramuscular. Our university professors take us out to the farms give us the vaccines and tell us to figure it out. Instruction is given on some occasions but generally we just are told subcutaneous is preferred to intramuscular if the option is there(only because we are sometimes dealing with animals that are sold for meat and intramuscular damages the meat) and then we go at it figuring out doses and what not. Do realize there are some vaccines that if you hit a vein and inject in the vein you will kill the animal so aspirate every time! Its not rocket science also check valley vet I know you can buy from or Dr foster and smith. It is definitely going to save you money and time so have at it. And your vet will check your dogs anyways when you go in for Rabies. |
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Marie Wisconsin
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| 03/13/2009 12:13 PM |
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| The lab tested positive for heart worm and one other virus... Rocky gets a yearly test forLyme/E.canis?Anaplasma secondary because of our large white tail deer population who share our backyards and fields. I guess each geographic area has to worry about something!! |
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Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab18/Annette_Merryfield/100_0285.jpg?t=1287205231 |
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tucker WAY NORTHERN MINNESOTA!
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| 03/13/2009 1:29 PM |
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| Ruger hasn't had a booster for 5 years, the last one almost did kill him. It is difficult when we board & we have to explain it & hope they still let him stay, so far they have. He has Rabies, & lymes & that is OK. We use to do all are own shots to as we always have for the horses. |
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Alice, Ruger, Tucker RIP 1995-2009, & Gunner 'To love a dog that has been discarded by another proves to that dog that love really does exist.' -Christi Cooper
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Ace1cappuccino Carp Lake, Michigan
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| 03/14/2009 11:59 AM |
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So the general question I still have is: There is a 5 way and a 7 way shot. They need distemper but will it hurt them to get the extra meds in the shot? If not, I would surely rather pay $6. for a shot versus $45 and an iffice visit. Not that they aren't worth it; just times are tough so if I can save some $$ I would love it. We are suggested by the vet here to do the lepto because of the swampy areas we have to chase grouse around in. |
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DesertRoseKennel
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| 03/14/2009 12:31 PM |
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I use the 7 way. As for lepto, since allergic reactions to that are more common than the other components in the shot, if you're going to give it, make sure the dog has been vaccinated multiple times with lepto and been fine. One exposure with no reaction does not mean the dog is safe. No human or animal has a true allergic reaction on first exposure. It has to be second or subsequent exposure. |
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Ace1cappuccino Carp Lake, Michigan
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| 03/14/2009 1:04 PM |
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| I will have to go and see what is all in the both shots. I believe that they have only had one lepto and it was in 07. They didn't get one last year because I didn't get to hunt them. What could happen with the lepto in the shot? The vet did show me how to give the shots, I just haven't done it myself yet. I would like to unless you think there would be a problem? I don't want to make my babies sick. |
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singltrak Las Cruces, NM
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| 03/14/2009 5:51 PM |
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As I understand it, it is the diluent with the lepto that causes problems. You'd be fine to give your own shots, you are not going to hurt anything by boosting, but if there weren't any problems when they had the lepto before (probably included as a combination shot then too), it should be okay. I used to give my own shots, and still do with puppies (but I get them at cost + from my vet). Many years ago, I had half a litter break with Parvo after saving money with shots from Foster and Smith. The remainder of the litter was fine, but four were not-more than strange. When I called Foster and Smith to ask they check to see if there was a recall or a reported problem with that batch, first they refused to do anything, even write my name down and finally when my vet contacted them directly, told her that the mom should suffer no ill effects from the parvo. My vet had a fit with them, and then with me and since then has sold me Intervet vaccines (which do carry a guarantee against illness), and I've not bought anything from F&S since. No doubt, you can see why. Phyllis and the Singltrak Furtribe (who are immunized with Progard from Intervet) |
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hjackson West Mansfield, Oh
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| 03/15/2009 6:24 AM |
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| I was at a 4-H convention yesterday and I took a goat medicine class - and I talked awhile with the vet about vaccines it was interesting and she even agreed that everyone over-vaccinates. Although it is a ton worse in goats LOL - I vaccinate them once a year and most people vaccinate 5x more then me. And I agree it does matter as to what area you live in. Another discussion we had was wormers. The area you live in makes a big difference. |
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hjackson West Mansfield, Oh
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| 03/15/2009 6:25 AM |
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| OH And as long as your dogs have had the 7 way shots before with no reaction it should be fine - if you don't ask your vet what was given to them in the past. We have had a few dogs have vaccine reactions mostly to lepto and corona. |
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Ace1cappuccino Carp Lake, Michigan
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| 03/21/2009 9:39 AM |
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| What kind of reaction would happen? Something severe? The vet gives lepto for those of us who hunt in swampy areas |
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Cornell's GSP'S- Mocha cappuccino, Lili Belle Lotte, Sir Leopold Vom Hunter 1, Lil Miss Lotte Doddi, Ace Hunter Twisted Mister(GSP'S)  
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