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Texas BelleUser is Offline
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03/13/2009 7:35 AM  
everbell - My dogs are thinking "I know what you want me to do, but trust me I can do it better if I do it this way instead."

lauralee - That time period when the dogs loose their brains is the time period I refer to at the Puppy Stupids. They know what you want and just like any teenager they test your limits and start trying to spread their wings a bit.

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03/13/2009 8:11 AM  
they come to see that your desire makes you very happy, and they finally understand that if they listen to you, they are part of your happiness.


Also, I make sure I hold up my end of the bargain. By building my dog's trust in me, by being careful not to misuse her trust in me, by being fair, and by providing her with what she needs, and making things fun for both of us, not just me.

I am not saying I am perfect but that's my mantra every morning when I get up.

As an example, over the years I have known a lot of folks that play tease with their dogs. While a game of tease or keep-away can be fun, I feel most people overdo it, like endlessly pretending to throw a ball and have the dog fall for it. With Tessa especially I have found that prompt delivery of my end of the bargain (e.g. "if you fetch and drop the ball, I promise to immediately throw it for more fun play") goes a long way.

Another interesting thing we (re)learned in dog school last week: Once in the advanced stages of training, giving the dog "responsibility", the chance to make a right decision in a challenging situation, and showing faith in the dog's ability to do right, has an amazing effect. She proved it by having us heel our dogs off-leash for the first time, and all the dogs did extremely well, despite distractions and the fact that no leash corrections/guidance could be applied. This builds a dog's confidence (agility is another great way to do that) and has a snowball effect on training.

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03/13/2009 8:17 AM  
Also, set the dog up for success. Don't try to make them to do something they obviously aren't ready to do, or in a situation where they have a better chance of failure than success.

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03/13/2009 8:23 AM  
Very true, and very important. However, sometimes I find it hard to have faith enough in my dog to progress to the next level, after being through hell and back with her :). When we took that leash off I thought "ha, no way!". But then, "oh wow!"

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03/13/2009 8:29 AM  
Posted By TessaGA on 03/13/2009 8:11 AM

Another interesting thing we (re)learned in dog school last week: Once in the advanced stages of training, giving the dog "responsibility", the chance to make a right decision in a challenging situation, and showing faith in the dog's ability to do right, has an amazing effect. She proved it by having us heel our dogs off-leash for the first time, and all the dogs did extremely well, despite distractions and the fact that no leash corrections/guidance could be applied. This builds a dog's confidence (agility is another great way to do that) and has a snowball effect on training.


This is one of the hardest things for students to believe and it typically shows up with heeling.  Most students want to keep the leash tight no matter what.  Even when you tell them that a loose leash works better and you give a little pop to correct and then immediately loosen the leash and reward (I use a verbal reward) when the dog is back in position will get your dog heeling faster, they still will keep the leash tight.  I have to admit, that was also me with my first dog and it took a wonderful obedience trainer to get me to loosen up on that leash and within days my dog was a much improved heeling dog.  If you think about it, it makes sense too.  After all the natural reaction is to pull in the opposite direction.

The off leash is even more amazing and trust is absolutely important.  At first they will stay with you maybe going a little wide or getting a little ahead or behind, but it you keep it up and make sure you have good foot movement and you let the dog know where he is supposed to be you will be amazed at how they stay with you.  It never ceases to amaze me that one small false step can through a dog wide or a dropped shoulder can make a dog lag, but it does.  I have seen it with Halo who is a very good obedience dog. 

Great job and keep up the good work.  Half the battle it teaching the handler to have confidence in their dog.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

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03/13/2009 8:37 AM  

The off leash is even more amazing and trust is absolutely important.  At first they will stay with you maybe going a little wide or getting a little ahead or behind, but it you keep it up and make sure you have good foot movement and you let the dog know where he is supposed to be you will be amazed at how they stay with you. 

 

You're so right Bev. The first time we let Bo off-leash and he actually came back when called we were absolutely amazed. We made sure the first couple times we had another dog around as a lure to get him back. After he was consistently coming back as he was supposed to, we relaxed considerably.

Even now, he typically stays with eye-sight of us. He won't always come all the way back when called, but he makes eye contact and that's good enough for me to know that I've been acknowledged.

When we're deep in the forest, we use a pointer bell: one, so we can hear him if we can't see him, and two, so all the little wild critters can hear him coming too.


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03/13/2009 8:45 AM  

Texas Belle, that exactly was our homework for this week, to work on the off-leash heel and watch our own body language, whether the leash is attached or not, because once it's off, that's all you got to guide the dog (plus verbal but verbal needs to be used sparingly or else it just becomes white noise to the dog). Heeling is precision work for both dog and handler.


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03/17/2009 8:09 AM  
More success. After 4 days of rain = shorter outings, Tessa was a little...wild...yesterday, exacberated by the fact that we dog school was moved inside, lots of dogs, tight quarters.

Left her with the trainer, walked across the room for the recall. Tessa was all over the trainer who let her, as there was no sit-stay given, and it was great distraction. Paid no attention to where I was going at all. Then my recall "Tessa, come!", she wheeled around and came flying and jumped into my arms which created a lot of wows and oohs and ahhs and giggles.

Left her in a sit-stay next to the trainer, walked out of sight, Tessa held the sit, not as solid as last week but at least she knew that NOW she can NOT be all over the trainer.

Worked on variations of down-stays, heeling, and the finish, nothing difficult but requiring lots of restraint on her part. And although she was two-legged a lot yesterday and not as focused, everyone agreed we made great progress. Yay!

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03/17/2009 8:42 AM  

Tessa -  Congratulations on your progress.  Your little girl is growing up.  Keep up the good work.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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03/17/2009 9:03 AM  
Thanks Bev. I usually don't post my successes of that nature, I just expect them, I train, and the dogs become trained, but she has been such a piece of work that I am simply elated :)

I think I will teach her some circus tricks when she's done growing. Like jumping through and into my arms and such. I think she will enjoy it.

Once knew a dog that "hooped" through the arms, performed at a half-time show here in town that ended up on ESPN, we still have that tape somewhere...

But first things first...obedience...and first hunting training day w/NAVHDA this Saturday.

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03/17/2009 9:17 AM  

Have fun,  but then I already know you are going to love the hunt day.  If you can, take some pictures and in any event let us know how it goes.  The only one who will like the hunt day more than you it your Tessa.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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03/17/2009 9:42 AM  
A training day. That's great. Stay calm and don't worry if she acts like an evil twin.


"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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