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TessaGAUser is Offline
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03/12/2009 7:36 AM  

I am not sure what happend but all of a sudden the moment I was waiting for has arrived and my Tessa "fell into place".

We hit a low point about two weeks ago...training not going anywhere...she was a terror at home and uncooperative outside, not all the time, but enough to make me lose faith for a day or two, but I just picked myself up, and continued training, like a fool trying to squeeze water out of a rock.

Then, as of last Saturday, she is a different dog. The rock is pouring water and lots of it! Very responsive; actually, I find myself about to give a command when I realize she is already doing what I wanted her to do. Countersurfing has been reduced to an occasional quick check to see what's up there, no longer the constant non-stop swiping. She's heeling better than any dog I've ever had. Started on off-leash heel (long line), still work to be done but I am impressed and so was our trainer last Monday. Sit-stay is very solid, even with people around, and at school, my trainer was able to approach her and she remained seated (what a struggle it was three weeks ago!). Not only that, I had to hand the dog over to the trainer, who refers to her as "the wild Indian over there" and leave the premises, without Tessa breaking the sit-stay, and she sat! Until I came back, took the leash, and released her! I never thought I'd see the day. Not this soon, anyway.

Overall, she is demonstrating a lot more restraint and is very cooperative, and all the lessons I thought were falling on deaf ears, have been retained.

My trainer on Monday said Tessa is very mature mentally but estimated that she will be at least another two years of hard work (collective gasp from our co-eds), the main challenge being to deal with that two-legged exuberance. Thankfully, I now believe we will be just fine as she matures further; compared to 1,2,3,4 months ago there has been a huge, huge change in behavior.

Of course, my first thought is always "is she sick?"  And I do know that the behavior will likely fluctuate between Jekyll and Hyde for a while, but hopefully we will be seeing more Jekyll than Hyde from now on.

I post this as an encouragement to people that are going through these wild times with their pups.


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03/12/2009 7:40 AM  
How old is Tessa? I'm trying to calibrate Juneau's progress a bit, although I do recognize that every dog will be different.
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03/12/2009 7:56 AM  

I think you will also see allot of maturing after she comes in season for the first time. 


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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03/12/2009 8:02 AM  
Congratulations...
I doubt she is sick, they have thick skulls. Takes a while to penetrate the brain, but once its in there your set.
I know that the number one motivator for Casey is FOOD... I can get her to do just about anything while she is waiting for me to give her the command to eat.
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03/12/2009 9:12 AM  
She's 8.5 months old.

First heat could be late, around 15 months, per breeder.

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03/12/2009 9:27 AM  

Halo didn't come in season the first time until she was 2 YO.  After that she settled down allot.  Her cycle now seems to be every 9 months.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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03/12/2009 11:21 AM  
Congratulations! Hard work and persistent does pay off!!!
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03/12/2009 12:05 PM  
It does! But it is so hard to remember that sometimes.

Wolfe I just see your avatar...is that available as a car decal? It would be funny if it wasn't so true :)

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03/12/2009 12:14 PM  
Posted By TessaGA on 03/12/2009 12:05 PM

Wolfe I just see your avatar...is that available as a car decal? It would be funny if it wasn't so true <img src=" src="/DesktopModules/NTForums/themes/blue/emoticons/smile.gif" />


I have that same logo printed and up on my refrigerator!

I found it on ebay -someone was selling them as either stickers or window clings. 

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03/12/2009 12:44 PM  
I have a complaint.
First, I want to say good going on the progress! Proper training does not fall on deaf ears. It takes about 30 repititions and about a month,of daily repetitions, for a dog to understand and perform what it is we teach them. That's why repition and consistency are important.

Now for the complaint.
I do not think GSPs have thick skulls. At least mine don't. GSPs are driven dogs and they will catogoize the importance of an activity based on where it falls into priority according to the level of prey/play drive the individual dog possess.

While it may all be in good fun, it does send the wrong message about the breed,unless your dog really does have a thick skull.Which I doubt.


"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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03/12/2009 1:34 PM  

You know I have to agree with Pixie on the thick skulls.  I think this breed is very smart and just like a overly smart kid in school they can challenge us, get creative, or do allot of other things because they are so smart.  I know I had to change how I train with my oldest, Belle.  She will catch on to something amazingly fast, but if I repeat it too often or don't keep it challenging for her, she invents things not because of a thick skull, but because of a high IQ.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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03/12/2009 1:34 PM  
As most of you know, my problem was, at least with the sit-stay and pawing and jumping on people etc, it took about 6 months and 100s of repetitions with several approaches to no avail.Trainer observed and said some dogs are have a really hard time containing themselves, they simply can't help it. Just gotta work with them a little longer/harder, eventually they will come along and thankfully, it is finally happening.

Re thick skull, after 20 years of bulldogs, I can attest, THOSE dogs are incredibly stubborn. In that regard I find Tessa very refreshing because she really seems to want to please first and foremost, unless she has a rebellious or high-energy moment...there were too many of those moments.


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03/12/2009 1:43 PM  
TessaGA,
your last sentence is right on.
These dogs are confident and approach life with exuberance. They sometimes have diificulty containing themselves b/c life is just soooo exciting and fun. They are learning and sometimes appear to be slow maturing, but they are absorbing every lesson and when the time is right, they pull it all together and surprise us with how much they actually were paying attention.


"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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03/12/2009 1:51 PM  
ok,i was explaining the thread to my 6 yo dauhter and she agrees that they are not thick skull but-

THEY ARE DEMON DOGS



"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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03/12/2009 3:06 PM  
Snicker Pixie...
My kids go for Numb Skull, dumb butt or psycho doggie

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03/12/2009 6:56 PM  
Congrats Tessa on your success, I know sometimes it takes a while to see the end of the tunnel. It sounds like your almost there.. It will be all worth it !!!
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03/13/2009 5:43 AM  
What I was meaning by thick skulls is that they indeed are very smart dogs but, they are self-driven dogs. They enjoy pleasing people but their greatest drive is pleasing themselves. Finding ways to convince them they they want to do what you want them to do is in my opinion being "thick skulled". Maybe saying that they have Attention Deficit Disorder would fit better. Getting them to focus is sometimes a struggle. I am only speaking from my personal experience with my GSP.
Oh, and I can guarantee Casey has a thick skull. I have seen her do a somersault and land on her head on the concrete without any affect at all.

BTW-the avatar is an image I found on the web that I liked
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03/13/2009 6:29 AM  
Actually, "what's in it for me" is every canine's philosophy. That is why positive reinforcement works so well. Of course, different dogs are motivated by different things, but ultimately, it's all about what the dog can gain from a certain action (or from avoiding a certain action), in the wild, it's an approach necessary for survival.

Whoever made that image knows the breed!


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03/13/2009 6:32 AM  
I remember the day when the lightbulb seemed to go on in Bo's brain. It was like "hallelujah! We've made it."

We've often joked that he has ADD ... attention dog disorder.

The problem is because these guys are so darn smart, sometimes you can almost hear the wheels clicking in their head going "I know what you're asking me to do, but right now, I choose not to do it ..." LOL!

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03/13/2009 7:21 AM  
Posted By everbell on 03/13/2009 6:32 AM

The problem is because these guys are so darn smart, sometimes you can almost hear the wheels clicking in their head going "I know what you're asking me to do, but right now, I choose not to do it ..." LOL!
 

 Everbell,,, You are so right. It's getting these very smart dogs to do things in your time and not theirs. I find when I get a puppy, they enjoy listening and responding to you, and then all of a sudden, it's like something hits them, and they decide, I don't think I want to come to you right now, I'm busy...  It's up to you to know, and see it coming, and every GSP goes through it at some point. This is where if your not ready for the redirection, you'll be in trouble. I call it the cross in the road, and can very well determine if you end up with or without a well behaved dog.. I belief that GSP's are very eager to please dogs that are easily distracted, but with determination, and redirection, I think they come to see that your desire makes you very happy, and they finally understand that if they listen to you, they are part of your happiness.

 

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