MegC Ellensburg, WA
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| 02/22/2009 12:18 AM |
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Just came back from a visit to family with a young English Cocker... beautiful sweet dog that they got from a breeder they'd really researched, took him through quite a bit of pro training, leave him at doggie day care 3x/week where she can watch for him on the webcam from work....
This cute-as-a-button little dog tried to bite our daughter no less than 3 times, including one solid hit where we were lucky it didn't break the skin, with ZERO provication. Fortunately we stayed calm and just moved things along so she did too without much fuss.
We have 3 GSPs that sometimes eat poop (one offender in particular), dig craters, run into furniture, scavange the counters (1 main offender there, 1 opportunist, 1 mostly doesn't but....), would gladly kill cats/rabbits/mice/whatever's small and moves if we let them (ALL), and are otherwise what I call 'real animals'. But they don't bite people- short or tall- out of the blue. In fact, while I'm a believer that ANY dog can bite, you'd have to press this crew pretty rediculously hard to get there.
Here's to tough, steady, field bred GSPs that will take a skillet bounced off their head without holding it against anyone. They may need some help burning off that extra gas in the tank, and they may knock a kid over in a rush to get from point A to B, and they may test our mettle periodically... but at least they're bred to handle a whole lot of stress without flaking out completely.
The kid came home and played with Los Tres Horribles without a hint of fear, which after an adventure like that was a relief. |
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Megan + Dulcie (Lehmschlog's The Right Spot) + Rogan (Lehmschlog's BR Rogan) + Anya (Lehmschlog's Anya O Conchobar) Intro to harness sport/mushing- start here! |
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pixie bee
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| 02/22/2009 7:29 AM |
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Yep, our dogs have taken their fair share of child abuse as well, all with no reaction from the dogs. Sometimes I think the dogs like it. Your daughter must have a strong characater (one tough cookie). Good for her. She and my Emily would get along famously. Francine |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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DesertRoseKennel
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| 02/22/2009 7:38 AM |
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I whole heartedly second that 1000% percent Meg! I would not have any other breed with kids. Mine have never bitten a human EVER, but it especially never occurs to them to use teeth on little ones. Even ones I would bite myself.
When Willow was hit by a car at age 8 months (long story, I didn't know her brother had broken the gate latch and let everyone out), our school nurse saw it all and called me. She said "Hurry, the injury shouldn't kill her, but she's in shock." So of course I made it there at lightning speed and found a dog with a badly mangled leg, but one that showed no signs of being shocky to me. I asked her why she thought she was in shock. Her response - "Well I assumed she must be. Look at how bad her leg is. It has to hurt, but three people she doesn't know are handling her and holding her down on the ground so she can't walk on it. She should have bitten all of us, but she didn't so much as growl."
I love this breed.
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"Our dogs are bred to be champion hunters who sleep on the bed" www.desertrosekennel.com |
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TessaGA Georgia
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| 02/22/2009 9:33 AM |
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To me it doesn't matter if the breed is deemed gentle or if I completely trust my dog, any animal with teeth has the potential to inflict injury, so it's still a must that children and dogs are watched and both are corrected for inappropriate behavior. Just my two cents. |
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To live without dogs would mean accepting a form of blindness. [Thomas McGuane]
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Central.Wa.GSPs
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| 02/22/2009 9:57 AM |
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This post makes me smile. I have lots of little nephews and nieces and I always bring my dogs to family functions. I always get the questions can we really trust your dogs with our little kids. I simply look at them smile and say your lucky I am trusting your kids with my dogs.... Or can I trust your kids with my dogs... and It is so true. Bailey will let my two year old nephew just rag on her and she just lays there and takes it like a champ. I do love this breed and I love our dogs. |
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-Jessica- *Bailey* GSP *Lily* GSP * RIP: Maggie Mae* GSP
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MegC Ellensburg, WA
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| 02/22/2009 10:28 AM |
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Posted By TessaGA on 02/22/2009 9:33 AM
To me it doesn't matter if the breed is deemed gentle or if I completely trust my dog, any animal with teeth has the potential to inflict injury, so it's still a must that children and dogs are watched and both are corrected for inappropriate behavior. Just my two cents.
This is totally true, which is why I pointed out that every dog has SOME biting point... one just hopes their fuse is really long. When Anya's leg was broke she screamed every time we moved her, but she actually never even tried to snap at ANYONE all through that horrible ordeal- including the strangers at the vet's. Honestly if she'd have taken a nip I wouldn't have held it against her. But she didn't. I'm still kind of surprised at that. |
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Megan + Dulcie (Lehmschlog's The Right Spot) + Rogan (Lehmschlog's BR Rogan) + Anya (Lehmschlog's Anya O Conchobar) Intro to harness sport/mushing- start here! |
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everbell Kanata, ON
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| 02/22/2009 11:03 AM |
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Last weekend we were out walking in the woods with Bo and some friends. Near the end of our walk he took off ahead. All of a sudden, we heard a kid screaming and saw Bo nose to nose with this little kid in a sled. We ran forward apologizing, mortified that he was harassing this little kid and scaring the bejesus out of him. The parents were just laughing since Bo wasn't really in the kids face, but after the chips the kid had in his hands (and apparently was being very gentle with the little kid). Once again, I was amazed how good he is around kids (aside from stealing their food). He never laid a tooth on the kid, just wanted his chips. |
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Joce and Rich Bogart and Shiraz (GSPs) Roxane (RIP: 1995-2009) and Tiger Lily (Cats) The Everbell Adventures |
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MegC Ellensburg, WA
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| 02/22/2009 11:13 AM |
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Oh man... my husband was on a stunt kite team before we were married, and they practiced 1-2 times week plus flying in competitions up and down the Pacific coast on weekends (mostly Oregon). One of the other single guys on the team had a truly sweet old black lab who's ONLY vice was food. He and this dog were so tight we used to joke that they were married. 
Husband said one weekend they were down at the beach flying with the old duffer dog sauntering around when a little kid walked through holding an ice cream cone. Before his buddy could get his kite down, the dog had snuck up behind the kid and sucked cone and all out of the kid's hand... it was such a stealth attack that the kid didn't even realize it had been stolen for a few moments and just kept walking. Until he finally looked down and realized it was gone. Followed by a predictable outburst, lol.
The owner felt so bad he apologized a million times to the parents (who fortunately thought it was all pretty funny) and paid them generously for a new ice cream for the kid. |
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Megan + Dulcie (Lehmschlog's The Right Spot) + Rogan (Lehmschlog's BR Rogan) + Anya (Lehmschlog's Anya O Conchobar) Intro to harness sport/mushing- start here! |
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Pointer Fan Westminster, Colorado
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| 02/22/2009 5:16 PM |
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| I still have a scar on my chin inflicted on me by a neighbor's cocker when I was 4. That is one reason that I prefer hunting type dogs around kids. When I had my first GSP several neighbor women and I played bridge every Friday morning and there were always a plethora of small people about. Ginger was an ace at snagging cookies gently from little hands without knocking the child over. Generally it took some time for them to notice that they were even gone. My brother has a big gentle black lab and when we were at his cabin this summer my 3 year old granddaughter came out in her jammies, got down on hands and knees and kissed Pouncer goodnight right on the nose. Even though he is not usually around children he is great with them. My feeling is it has to do with the soft mouth and the fact that hunting dogs generally work closely with humans that make them so great with children. |
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Bxr-Linda Oregon
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| 02/23/2009 1:10 PM |
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| Technically, aren't cockers hunting dogs? |
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MegC Ellensburg, WA
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| 02/23/2009 1:20 PM |
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| I think they're in the category of "were once hunting dogs, are now mostly decorative". A quick google shows that there are field line cockers, but they look like they or their parents are often imported from England and not terribly common. |
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Megan + Dulcie (Lehmschlog's The Right Spot) + Rogan (Lehmschlog's BR Rogan) + Anya (Lehmschlog's Anya O Conchobar) Intro to harness sport/mushing- start here! |
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Bxr-Linda Oregon
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| 02/23/2009 1:27 PM |
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I just had to play Devil's Advocate to Pointer Fan's comment about only having hunting dogs around children. I think you're right about Cockers-- 20 or more years ago, they used to be the great family dog, now they are kind of snippy, temperamental lap dogs. |
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Marie Wisconsin
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| 02/23/2009 1:48 PM |
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| I have to be devils advocate about GSPs in general being good with kids pulling their ears and tail and being alright and tolerant. Rocky would not be at all tolerant. Knowing his nature I have taught all kids, adults and other dogs. Rocky needs his space and humans to be gentle and positive to guide him in wanting what they want him to do. Have been doing touch exercises under my trainers guidance from day one which has helped greatly. Rescue GSPs can have some issues not making them 100% safe with small children. Rocky has never bit a small child as I have never left him alone and not supervised around a small children or will I ever. We donot have small children living with us so that might make a difference. Rocky is just used to adults and LOVES THE YOUNG ADULTS when they come home to visit!! |
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lauralee Plainfield, CT.
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| 02/23/2009 1:54 PM |
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Your absolutely right Bxr- Linda, Years ago Cockers became extremely popular, and there was a lot of inbreeding going on with little care about temp. or health issues. Todays American Cockers have been bred to improve these faults, however you still can find some indiscriminately bred dogs with temp. and health issues. Also todays Cockers have been bred to have such a thick dense coat, that I wouldn't want to be the one to have to maintain that coat after a romp in the field !!!! The English Cockers are not bred for such a dense coat, they also aren't bred to have that exaggerated apple dome head. I also think they are a more practical hunting dog than the American Cocker By the way Cockers were bred to hunt Woodcocks . |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 02/23/2009 3:24 PM |
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Ok guys, I have to jump in here when the discussion turns to Cockers. I had Cockers before I had GSPs. They are still a hunting dog (shown in the Sporting group) and hunting instincts still exist in some lines. Do not kid yourself about Cockers being foofoo lap dogs, mine hiked with me in Colorado up to 14000 feet and never missed a beat, and they were not happy just sitting around the house. They also swam and ran with the best of them. They are tough little dogs with a happy disposition if they are bred right. They also make great pets around children. There are quite a few breeders that have been working for a while to undo the mishaps of breeding in the 40s and 50s. They do however have long hair that must be maintained, and they do have more health issues than GSPs. There are also some out there with temperament issues. All the results of a dog being too popular. The hair and health issues were the two reasons I moved away from Cockers, and if I had to weigh the two it was mostly the grooming. My back couldn't take it any more. By the way, my Cockers were all sweet and happy dogs, no problems with biting. The only exception was when I would comb out my last Cocker, she hated to be combed out and had very sensitive skin. I had to be very careful not to pull or she would look at me and growl. She never bit me, just let me know hey mom that hurts. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
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lauralee Plainfield, CT.
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| 02/23/2009 5:27 PM |
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| Bev, You must find it a lot easier grooming the GSP's. I call them the wash-n-wear dogs!!! I feel bad for all those people at the dog shows with the long coated breeds, especially if it's raining !!! |
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Marie Wisconsin
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lauralee Plainfield, CT.
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| 02/23/2009 7:03 PM |
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| Isn't that just cool !!!!!!! Rocky is a beautiful gsp !!!! |
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Pointer Fan Westminster, Colorado
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| 02/23/2009 8:40 PM |
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| I hate to date myself but when I got bit it was in the late 1940's. That was when they became really popular and all the back yard breeders pretty much ruined them. A lot of it is about the breeding. The neighbors had one which was just miserably nasty but a friend of mine had one that a friend of his had found. Put ads in the paper and no one claimed it. It was pregnant and had what appeared to be purebred puppies. It was a beautiful brown and white dog with a wonderful temperament. Wonder if it escaped from someone's kennel where it had been bred. All in all I still prefer GSPs. |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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