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Texas BelleUser is Offline
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02/25/2009 8:49 PM  

I had done some homework on GSPs, so I new the price range before I called any breeders.  So, price was not really a part of the conversation until after I had already made up my mind.  I did give my breeder the third degree.  I wanted to know everything about the breeding, what she was breeding for, what she did with her dogs, etc, etc.  So, as a customer I was interviewing her as much as she was interviewing me.  Of course, we both were in love with the GSP so we ended up just talking about the dogs for a long time too.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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02/25/2009 9:11 PM  
That's what I'm talkin about..... Price should not be your first concern.!!!!!!
I know breeders that if they feel that you'll be a great owner, they will work money issues out with you.
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02/25/2009 9:17 PM  

My breeder sold me Ringo at her pet price because she knew he was going to a good home and I would show him in a variety of venues and keep her informed on everything I was doing with him.  For her it was more about the kind of home he would go to, than about the money.  She never makes money on a breeding and is probably lucky if she even breaks even.  For her it truly is a "labor" of love.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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02/25/2009 10:00 PM  
That's truly a responsible breeder. I know of no breeders that make money on breeding their dogs.
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02/25/2009 11:14 PM  
I agree with Texas Belle and Lauralee when it is a "true labor of love" and that there is no money made. That is why I always smile especially when people tell me they want to breed their dog. I always ask them do you have a few thousand stashed away just in case you have to do a emergency c-section or even the simple constant vet visits you will encounter. OR are you prepared to have anywhere from 8-12 babies needing you through out the night if they all need to be bottled feed and will work let you take time off to do all this. My pricing was negotiable. If I knew that the puppy will have a forever home and be loved, cared for, and always fed then I will work with the family.

-Jessica-
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*Lily* GSP
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02/26/2009 7:12 AM  

Also, it's not only the cost and time that goes into caring for a pregnant bitch, being prepared for complications, and taking care of the litter. Buyers tend to forget that even more effort and money goes into titling the breeding stock, getting them health certified and the care that goes into them BEFORE they are even bred.

So when calculating...they have 10 pups at $ 700 each that's $ 7000 they "rake in", that sounds like a good chunk of money, but add up all the costs leading up to the day the pups go to their homes...INCLUDING the work and time put into the dogs, training, exercising, grooming and driving to dog shows and field trials, I'd say, so what if the breeder comes out on top, it's well deserved.

Again, I myself have limits as to what I can, and ultimately will spend on a dog. To give an extreme but factual example: My neighbor paid $ 2800 for his 8-week old puppy. That for me is beyond comprehension. There are just way too many great dogs to be had for much less and I rather spend the money saved on fun stuff to do with the dog (training, long trips, agility, field trials, toys, equipment etc etc).  

What was even more mindboggling, the puppy was an English Bulldog which comes preprogrammed with so many health issues that he will spend many times as much in medical upkeep. It also turned out the dog was deaf.


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02/26/2009 7:29 AM  
Bulldogs are a lot of money b/c of the c-section, the number of pups born in a litter and sometimes they us AI. They at least want to break even.Still, it is way over board and if people stopped paying the price the breed would be better off. All the bulldog "problems" are man made.
A backyard breeder makes a killing on litters like GSPs. Birthing issues are not common and the litters are usually 6 or more. Selling to pet homes is easy. An add in the paper does the trick. Just say "champion lines" and you've got them sold in days.It's getting into the niche market of hunting and versatility that is more work for a breeder.



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02/26/2009 11:51 AM  
Posted By lauralee on 02/25/2009 6:38 PM
I respectively agree, that we can disagree. That's what's so great about this forum !!!!!


Here, here!

I do agree with responsible breeding, testing for genetic problems, bettering the breed, etc.

I also think that generally, "you get what you pay for."

We got our GSP from the "pound" and know NOTHING about his background. We were willing to take that risk for a pet/companion. (If he has some inherited disease that surfaces in a few years, we may be sorry!)

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02/27/2009 10:56 PM  
Posted By Central.Wa.GSPs on 02/21/2009 9:36 AM

I had a lady call me very interested in my last puppy. She said she would like to get it for her son. As I was doing my  normal questions: do you have a fenced yard, how many times a day will you exercise her outside, so on and so forth. I asked her how old her son was that she wanted to get the puppy for.... She said ONE AND A HALF YEARS OLD................. Right there I wanted to hung up the phone but I simply asked her do you know what a German Shorthair Pointer is? She said no but that the picture of them are very pretty and they look like beautiful dogs. I simply said before you buy a dog for your son please do research because these are dogs that need a lot of excerise and love... She wasn't very happy I was not going to sell to her but it is the truth. People buy our beautiful dogs and then find out that they become spazz's if you leave them in a outside kennel all day with no exercise... They wonder why when you let them out they take off and are gone for five hours... And the thing that makes me the most frustrated is all the back yard breeders that are out there for the money and don't care what type of homes they go to

 

Thats my rant and rave for the day....

Good for you.  If as breeders we don't screen potential new owners/buyers all we are doing is contributing to the rescue and shelter problems.

No puppy will ever sell for enough money for me to place them in a home I'm not confident in as being a good one.


There's a reason I like dogs better'n people... .
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02/28/2009 11:55 AM  
Selling puppies can really show you different sides of people. I had a lady very interested in a puppy. She emailed me for about a week. After being really excited that this puppy would be going to a good home. She came over and looked at them and in person she said "I know this might sound crazy and I know how much the puppies are but I am willing to take the puppy for free and give him a home for free." Yeah she drove all the way out just to see them and then tell me that. My other half tells me my facial expression was priceless because believe me that was the last thing I was expecting to hear...

-Jessica-
*Bailey* GSP
*Lily* GSP
* RIP: Maggie Mae* GSP
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02/28/2009 12:36 PM  
OMG !!!, I'm surprised you held your composure. People never cease to amaze me, !!!!
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02/28/2009 2:24 PM  
That's the funniest stupid thing I've ever heard. I think. LOL!

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02/28/2009 3:40 PM  
I have to admit that if I knew what I was getting into when we found Wachter and decided to keep him... I probably WOULDNT have..... but now.... I don't know how I managed without him!

Carrie
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