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TessaGAUser is Offline
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02/08/2009 6:07 PM  
Okay, I just looked at your older posts and saw he is 8 years old. So my adolescence theory won't apply.

It's not clear from your posts how long you have had him/worked with him. If he was in one family for 7 years, in the pound for 11 months, and is now 8 years old, you must have had him for two months or so. Which may not be a long enough adjustment and training period.

You also state that he gets 40-60 minutes of exercise/a day and lots of pets and affection. He might need more exercise, and maybe less affection and more structure. That sounds cruel, and I definitely don't want to criticize you for loving your dog - we all are guilty of that - but he's been through some changes, and like Bev said, it looks like your approach isn't working...or I might add not working yet.

I would make sure he does not have the opportunity to run off...there should be a way to prevent him from running loose. Then I would try the Cesar Millan approach. Exercise-discipline-affection. He may need a lot more exercise, and discipline incorporated throughout the day, and less random affection.

You said you had an offer from someone with a farm who is retired, but at the time you decided to keep Radar because you have grown so attached to him. I love stories like these, of fosters becoming permanent, but you questioned your decision then, and you still seem to question it. I wonder...if this offer came your way now, would you still want to keep Radar or would you feel it's best for him to go to a retiree with lots of time and lots of acreage? If the answer is yes, I would contact the guy and see if he is still interested.


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02/08/2009 6:11 PM  
I guess the last part of my post has been answered while I was typing it up...

I am glad to hear the rescue is going to take a look at it - good idea.

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02/08/2009 6:24 PM  
If Radar has never run off leash or been allowed to take off as he pleases when loose for the past 8 years, the behaviour will very much ingrained into him now. It will be much more difficult to correct and change into coming when you call. I agree with the other posters, tighten up his collar so he can't duck out of it and only let him run in fenced areas. Hopefully, the rescue will have some insights for you tomorrow.

Gail

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02/08/2009 6:53 PM  
It is unacceptable that your dog be allow to escape you as many times as you say. You say that he has escaped 14 times since you've got him. This dog should not have the opportunity to run free. That being said, You as the owner are responsible for doing whatever necessary to prevent this from happening. I understand that accidents happen, and dogs can get loose, however 14 times is no accident. obviously,something is being done wrong. If your dog slips his collar, He's not wearing the right kind. Do you have a proper fitting choke collar? If this is used correctly, there is no way he can slip out of it. Also, until your dog will come back to you with 100 percent accuracy, he should never be allowed to be off a lease!!! That also includes in the house. You can start your training with a 1 to 2 ft leash in the house only,,with no distractions. With short brief sessions, Start with 1 room only. Walk across the room, and say, "Here" or "Come". If he comes to you,praise and reward with love,and a treat. If he doesn't come to you, go to him,take hold of his leash,and as your backing up pull him slowly towards you as you say,"Here" or "Come". Reward with a lot of praise and a treat. When your dog does this 100 percent of the time, then you can move on to the rest of the house. When it's time to move outside,I always use a flexi-lead with a choke collar,NOTE,,, Don't ever leave a choke chain on a dog that's unattended !!!Just use it for training only, When you use the flex-lead,,it allows you to train your dog while he is experiencing a little more freedom, but most of all you know he is safe, Again,let him out to the end of the lead, and call him back, if he doesn't come,, tug and call again,,, praise and treat when he comes. This is also the time that I start using a whistle, because when my dogs are in the field, I just can't yell loud enough. A whistle always seems to get their attention quicker. I have always used the e-collars when starting my off leash sessions. It has allowed me to feel more comfortable knowing that I have contact with my dog, if it is used properly,you won't have to use it very often. Good Luck,,, Laura,Ruby,Sadie
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02/08/2009 7:10 PM  
Radar,,, By the way,,We are all wishing you the best of luck, We all do understand your frustration, and if you decide to rehome the dog,we will understand that too.. Laura,Ruby,Sadie
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02/08/2009 11:17 PM  

Radar- I'm sorry you're so frustrated. I recommend a deep breath, maybe a glass of wine in the tub after the littles are in bed, and then cinch down that collar firmly when you get a chance. I wouldn't even worry about it being too tight at the moment- you've got bigger fish to fry in just keeping the dog alive. At some point you may want to get a limited slip collar, as they often stay on a little better on really narrow headed dogs. The e-collar suggestion is a good one also, but I would recommend getting an experienced person to work with you and pup once you're ready to take that on.

I work full time, am mother of a 3 year old, and own 3 of these wacky hounds. It's one heck of a handful to juggle. And I don't always do it very successfully. But this breed for all it's energy and mischief is sweet and usually very tolerant of children's mayhem, so making some effort to iron out your issues can definately be worth it. Please check out this little page for some ideas to get your dog some really hard exercise without taking up your whole afternoon:
http://www.thedirtlife.com/dogs/pulling/pulling.htm

Finding a small car tire for the dog to pull while you go on a short walk would be my very first move. It's easy, cheap, doesn't require any training to start, doesn't require you to move quickly so the kids might be able to tag along, and wears the dog out FAST. This alone is not going to solve all your problems, but getting the ants in the pants ground down to a tolerable level should give you considerable leverage in dealing with the rest.


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02/09/2009 7:58 AM  
Having him drag a tire may also prevent him from running off too fast :) I like the idea.

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02/09/2009 8:05 AM  
Believe it or not there are breeds that require a fenced yard or if let free will run, run at free spirit till they decide to come back. My best friends Salukis (sight hounds) fit into the fence backyard a must catagory. Radar just may be a dog who needs to be on leash when out of a secured fenced area. So long walks on leash, dog parks, unused off season fenced in tennis courts ect will be good for Radar for now. Just relax, enjoy him for what he is, a wonderful dog who loves to run. .... With Rocky, I take him for leashed walks, and exercise him in a fenced yard using tennis ball and chuck-it. Good news with Rocky, he recalls well with one calorie tot treats if we are out in a field. I do let Rocky off leash at a lake to retrieve tennis balls... With Spring on its way focus on making your fenced yard more secure if you can. When training does not work, just another way to look at a running away problem.

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02/09/2009 8:27 AM  
I have a check cord for Tessa that is 30 ft long, and one that is 50 ft, which gives her more freedom than a regular leash and she can run while I walk. You may want to try that too.

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02/09/2009 11:39 AM  
Posted By lauralee on 02/08/2009 6:53 PM
It is unacceptable that your dog be allow to escape you as many times as you say. You say that he has escaped 14 times since you've got him. This dog should not have the opportunity to run free. That being said, You as the owner are responsible for doing whatever necessary to prevent this from happening. I understand that accidents happen, and dogs can get loose, however 14 times is no accident.
 
Ya know what, Lauralee, it's exactly that kinda crap that makes the frustration all the more. Each time he's gotten out (with very few repeats), it's been in a different manner. He gets out, we assess the situation and booby-trap or attack the situation differently, and then he finds a new way out. So it's not like we're not trying. You can tell by all my previous posts that we are definitely dedicated. We've been tackling this for three months straight. We just don't happen to have the same set up as it seems a lot of GSP owners do. Small yard, leash laws, no dog parks with fences that I can bring the kids to (sorry they come first--not the dog!) So, while everyone else is offering constructive information, you feel the need to bash me for not being the perfect dog owner that you apparently are.  I welcome all the constructive info that these nice people have offered and have actively incorporated the pertinent advice, but from your first post, I don't think you have an objective or empathetic ability of responding to my posts. Feel free to ignore my posts. I'll be ignoring yours.
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02/09/2009 1:20 PM  
It's really hard for any of us to accurately assess your sitution, without seeing first hand the dog, you, your family dynamics, your set up, etc. So we only know what we are fed by your written accounts, and as you yourself know I'm sure, there is a lot of room for reading between the lines, reading into it, (mis)interpreting etc the written word.

I was stumped as well when I read that he escaped several times. It rubs me the wrong way because I feel that there are ways to contain a dog. I live in the city, apartment, no yard, much less a fenced yard, so my dogs have to be restrained in the most secure manner. Yes, I had accidents over the past 20 years...three material failures (a buckle that snapped, a leather leash that broke, and a pinch collar link disengaging) and a couple of escapes out the front door pursuing a cat, and one escape down the beach and into the mist. It happens. No one claims to be perfect and no one will hold a occasional accident against you. But I make sure and double sure that each time I take my dog through my front door, that she is attached to me in the most secure manner. That requires checking the collar fit everytime and inspecting the leash for soundness every so often.

In the great outdoors, at this point in time, it's the check cord unless she's in a fenced area. Many people tell me just let her go...what will she do if you let her go? Well I tell them, I know what she will do, she will take off after the next bird she sees no matter where it flies to, and I am not taking that chance.

I could use a lot of excuses...she's wiggly, hyper, strong, I don't have the right set up...when in fact there is no excuse. Gee, I would never ever forgive myself if something would happen to that dog on my watch.

I feel that lauralee had quite a bit of constructive advice. That intro may sound a bit harsh but you know, emotions run high sometimes, your own post is oozing with emotions (frustration) so what if lauralee is a little upset by the many escapes of Radar, I actually think that many of as are. That said, We ALL want you and Radar to succeed and lauralee even said it twice.

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02/09/2009 1:44 PM  

My escape artist was a 24 pound cocker spaniel named Sassy.  She pushed out a screen in a window in front of the house, she wiggled between two posts in my fence (still not sure how she did it even though I saw her, but couldn't quite catch her), expert at throwing a buckle collar, neighbors kid let her out, etc.  Thank goodness all I had to say was snack and she was back to me.  Anyway the point is folks who own escape artists need to think like the dog and anticipate, then go dog proof whatever you have to.  For a dog that throws collars off, choke or martingales work great.  If a dog bolts our a door, put the leash on the dog before you open the door (every time), for a digger make sure the fence line is secure from digging out using additional fencing embedded in the ground or rocks, for a fence climber electric fences, for my girl Sassy who would push our window screens I just quit opening those front windows.  The bottom line is do everything you can to secure or prevent the dog escaping.  Also, work on a method of retrieval.  For example, if they especially like treats work that angle.  I think what lauralee was getting at is 14 escapes sounds like allot.  Not knowing the circumstances, my initial reaction was exactly the same.  So, don't come down on her for expressing what I bet many were thinking, take it with a grain of salt and work harder to secure that dog. None of us wants the dog to get hurt and we all want you to succeed.  If we didn't we wouldn't be so passionate in our responses, nor would we even take the time to respond.


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02/09/2009 2:48 PM  

Radar, everybody has advice on how and what you should do, but in the end it is up to you on what is needed. If you love your gsp, truly love the dog and want to keep it take a step back and start a fresh relationship him. If not find him a good home . I am very lucky to have my gsp fred. He is a great hunter and very spoiled. Like all gsps he loves to run thats what the breed does. I also have 2 of the finest cbrs on the planet. They take alot of Fred's energy. (thank god) When buying or adopting any breed of dog you should do the research to find out what that breed was designed for. (pointing, hunting, retrieving, lap warmer, ankle biter, etc.) The way they react is in the breed not just in the training.

Quick story so you know it happens to all of us. I got a call from a lady asking if I had a dog named Fred, I said yes and she said he had followed her home and where he had hooked up with her there where two other brown dogs. Rushing to the door and getting her address I ran out and there were my 2 cbrs in the front yard (one was not a year old). Fred was 4 blocks away with the gal who he followed. Some how the gate got open, I now put a carabineer on it.

Roy

 

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02/09/2009 3:05 PM  
OK Radar , I have know doubt that you are dedicated to this dog. but you have to admit your first post was not going to win you any popularity contest among GSP owners. Your first post didn't just focus on the problems you were having with the dog, but seemed to be more about how angry you were at the previous owners lies to you in the breed of your dog. OK,so you were lied to, GET OVER IT!! Don't you think that some of your resentment is being felt by your dog?? I have also had anger and frustration with my dogs, we all have., but your focus has to be correcting the problem, not making continuous excuses,,,It only leads people to think that your looking for someone else to give you the option to Re- home the dog, this way you don't have to feel guilty. You can just say that it was someone else's idea,, Maybe, A dog,, any breed of dog ,is just to much for you. Laura,Ruby,Sadie
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