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shanUser is Offline
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10/09/2007 6:03 AM  

Are hunting dogs best when living outside, inside or does it not matter? I've heard from some people that hunting dogs belong living outside and aren't "spoiled" (so to speak) from living inside. But I've also heard from other people that it doesn't matter. So, what have been/are your experience(s) with this? I know people who keep their dogs outside, others are inside the majority of the time and some are both inside and outside. Or does it really just vary from dog to dog?

Living in Iowa, our weather can be very cold in the winter and very hot in the summer. We are going to get a big kennel for outside so our pup can be outside when it's nice out. But I just feel bad if he has to be out in super cold or hot weather. Especially this winter since he'll only be a few months old once winter comes. But does having them live outside all or the majority of the time keep them "tough" and used to the weather regardless of what the weather is doing?

Plus we want to get him potty trained  and he'll need to be in the house somewhat for that. We're hoping he can pick that up quickly. From what I've read and heard from others, they pick up on that kind of stuff pretty quick. And after potty training 2 Dacshunds, potty training a GSP has GOT to be easier!



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10/09/2007 6:39 AM  
From what I have seen, and I see a lot, dogs that are bonded with their owner and get time spent with them, work with them and make better hutning companions. Mine all live in the house, the youngest spends more time in the kennel, as the house is filling up! But, I am with him every day. IMO, if you keep him in the house through the winter, get him pottytrained (they all learn pretty quick, my last one was the slowest, took about 3 weeks) he will be bonded and think is he part of your pack. Next spring when it is nice out in the day, leave him in the kennel, but bring him in when the family is at home. Or let him stay in the house if he is doing OK, but most young dogs are still crated at that age, and if he has the option of a large kennel outdoors or a crate indoors, he would probably prefer the kennel also! Do make sure he gets used to alone time, time without being able to see the doxi's, that way when you travel with him he will be comfortable in his crate on trips without having to have another dog around.
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10/09/2007 7:25 AM  
My brother's lab is always with him and sleeps on the bed. I remember that one kennel on the old board used to advertise "Fine hunting dogs that sleep on the bed". Another one had a questionaire that asked "Where will the dog sleep" and in parantheses (on the bed is a good answer).
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10/09/2007 7:45 AM  
Shan, this is just my personal opinion, having only had a GSP and living in Northern MN. I believe that with their high energy and desire to bond with people, a GSP does better indoors. I will share my personal experience. I have 1 GSP (Hannah) she lives indoors and yes, sleeps on my bed. My good friend has 2 GSPs and Weim. They are all kenneled outdoors 24/7, 365. When we take the dogs hunting, there is NO noticeable difference in "tuffness" or desire to hunt. On the other hand, MY GSP travels silently in the car, can stay in hotel with no problems and can be let loose in our yard (with some supervision) and walks calmly on a leash.Theirs cannot. I feel the completely kenneled dogs tend to be more "wild". I think you have the perfect idea combining indoor time (winter months) and the large outdoor kennel (summer months). I would bet with some training and patience, you'll soon have a terrific hunter that behaves in the house. Again, just my opinion but I hope it helps.
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10/09/2007 7:49 AM  

I can only speak to half of the question first hand and the other half through a friend. My dog is a house dog and I think it gives me/us more time to bond and train. Being inside alot of the time means she has to obey commands and many situations give you the chance to teach/train them.  She hunts and it doesn't seem to affect her drive. 

 

The friend has it both ways and the outside GSP is a hunting machine.  Now it could be that he would be no matter where he spends his nights.  I am going out on a limb here, but I would think it could work either way depending on your situation and the dog.  Some dogs may need more human contact and others might not care either way.  My shorthair comes up and greets everyone, his when let out of the kennel is looking to run/hunt.  depends on what you want yours to do.

Good luck

Matt

 


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10/09/2007 7:57 AM  

My  "well mannared house GSP" is terrible on a leash.  She thinks she is part Siberian Husky.  I can make her heel for 10-50 feet, but we walk to alot of the places she gets to run of leash.  That is all she is thinking about the whole time and could care less about what type of pinch collar I use to slow her pullind down.  I flank hitch has been my lastests attempt and is working better.  She is 4+ y/o. She does travel well and hotel pretty good.  again each dog is different.

 

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10/09/2007 9:05 AM  
I keep mine in the house too. I put them out when I go to work and let them out to run when I am done. I bring them in for supper. They all hunt fine. They are more relaxed in the house as they are with me, my wife, or the kids. We are their pack and they want to be with us. I put them out in the winter when I work and bring them in at night. Unless the kids are home from school. Then they get to stay in. I haven't noticed any difference in their hunting at all.

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10/09/2007 9:17 AM  

Our dogs are in a kennel while we're at work and inside the house at night. Definately NO slacking on the working ability here.

I personally don't believe a person can spend too much time with their dog (as long as we're not talking about something like work or a marriage in the way, lol). To add to the list, keeping dogs inside at night at least does two very good things:
- They don't need to eat as much when sleeping in a warm area
- They aren't barking at stuff all night and annoying the neighbors

I would have them inside more but I've gotta work and the dogs honestly like their kennels. The only thing they can get in trouble for in the kennel is barking. Other than that it's a nonstop dogfest out there with straw scattered and pine cones and sticks shredded and water splashed all over the place.... In fact, now that I've let the pigeons loose to fly over the yard, the hounds hardly want to be inside at all!

Until it rains of course. The hoodlums turn into veeeeery quiet and good hounds complete with expanded bladder capacity when it's raining out.


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shanUser is Offline
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10/09/2007 9:27 AM  
Thanks everyone for the replies! It really helps a lot since this is our 1st GSP. It makes a lot of sense to have the pup around us a lot to have a better bond. Not only that, but he'll be part of our family just like Buster and Jake are now. We definitely don't want to get a kennel and stick him outside all the time. My husband and I both really want him to be inside with us and our doxies as much as possible. So is a kennel for outside necessary if he'll be an inside dog most of the time? Or will it be good to get so he can be out when it's nice out just for the simple fact that he can be outside? I just don't want him to feel like we're seperating him from Buster and Jake by putting him in the outside kennel when it's nice out. Since he'll be right about 8 weeks old when we get him, he'll be growing up and being around Buster and Jake all the time. Or is it good for him to have time by himself and be able to be outside on nice days?

It sounds like GSP's pick up on things really quick. And it sounds like they understand the whole potty training thing quickly too. It took us over a year to get Buster completely potty trained. It seemed like it took him forever to "get" it. With Jake, he was about 5 or 6 months old when he finally got it...not as long as Buster, but still a while to work on potty training! So we're hoping the pup understands it a lot faster. :P

Thanks everyone for their input. It really helps! :)


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10/09/2007 9:35 AM  
It took both my males a while to pick up on the potty training. Atleast the peeing part. The girls had it in about a week if that. I think it is nice to let them out and get some air in the lennel for a while. Then when you do go out and get him he acts like you've been gone forever. I love to come home to that. No matter how bad a day you've had; when you come home and they are SOOO Happy to see you - you forget everything else but them. The love they have is un-believable! Atleast that is the way my dogs are. % minutes or 14 hours. Doesn't matter- they greet you the same.

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10/09/2007 10:19 AM  
Bo was poop trained in a couple days and pee trained in a couple of weeks (after that it was our fault for ignoring the signs).

The best advice we got is if they have an accident inside don't make a fuss over it, just put the dog outside and clean up the mess.

Also, buy some REALLY good treats to reward the puppy when he does his business outdoors. Trust me that they learn really quick that poop or pee in the right place means good treats (we use salmon and venison treats -- freeze-dried liver works really good too). Once he got the idea, we cut back rewarding his deliveries and after a month (at 12 weeks) we were all done.

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10/09/2007 10:46 AM  
I preffer my GSP to be in the house. He has better house manners than my hubby and kids and sometimes he even smells better! The big bonus is he listens when I talk to him, LOL.

Everyone has such great advice, I thought I'd add some humor to the subject. You all have a great day, Andrea
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10/09/2007 10:53 AM  
Andrea, thanks for the chuckle. Maybe 'cuz Bo is a boy or because he's entering his adolescence ... he listens well, but I find he has selective hearing :)

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shanUser is Offline
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10/09/2007 1:47 PM  
We'll have to try the rewarding for pottying outside. We didn't do much of that with Buster and Jake mostly because Dachshunds are prone to gaining weight easy and that in turn hurts their backs. So they don't get a lot of treats. And potty training them was way harder because Dachshunds are pretty stubborn in general. This is particularly true with Buster. He does what he wants, pretty much when he wants. :P Our boys have selective hearing too, mostly whenever we're outside because their noses take over and they just pretty much stop listening altogether. LOL

Thanks everyone for the helpful info and tips!! It's good to know these things so we can use them when we get the puppy instead of wondering. :)


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10/09/2007 3:40 PM  

Our dogs are house dogs but they do not sleep in bed with us. However they do have their own recliners When we are at work they are outside in their kennel/run. They are great hunting dogs and pretty well behaved in the house. If they get to playing in the house we tell them to get in their chairs. They also get in them on their own. I don't know what we are going to do when we get another dog, we don't have room for another recliner.

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10/10/2007 2:50 AM  
Selective what?! Nonsense!! All shenanigans I tell you! :)

FWIW, Mine pretty much has its way. He's inside, outside, sleeps in the doorway, on the bed, in the door to the outside, outside in his kennel. As long as he can be in a constant visual contact with me he's fine. As soon as he can't see me he things the owner nappers have came to town and im gone forever. Or that i've left without him so he runs to the closet where the shotguns are kept and tries to nudge it open to see if its still there. =/ To smart for his own good.

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10/10/2007 7:19 PM  

We have a dog door so the dogs decide for themselves. 

The GSP sleeps in the bed and the Vizsla in her crate (she's not completely trust worthy yet).  Both are all business when they hit the field. 


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10/12/2007 7:42 AM  

Mine are like that too. They always want to be with me. I was sitting on the couch last night and they were all on me touching me somehow and they were happy. My wife was laughing! Kind of hard to watch tv though. I love how we can see traits from Hunter and Belle in the pups. Hunter is a licker ( I call him Slimer) so is Stud. Belle will put her nose on you right in your face so the fuzzy lip just under the nose tickles your face. Stud does that but licks too. Stud aldo had this noise he makes(not sure what to call it) the same as Hunter, when he finds a toy he runs up to you and ahrooooooooooo roooo rooo. His is higher pitched than Hunter but they both do it. They prance around like show dogs!

Doddi is a bit more laid back kind of like her Aunt Mocha. They get a toy and do a pig snort kind of thing! God I love these dogs. They make any day better and never a boring moment with them either!!


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10/12/2007 8:19 AM  
Molly makes that funny howling/barking sound too--usually when she has a toy in her mouth. It scared our grandson the first time she did it him but now he just laughs at her. Molly knows Ron will let lick him but don't try it on Mom. Sometimes she just has to sneak in a taste test though.
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10/12/2007 8:19 AM  
Molly makes that funny howling/barking sound too--usually when she has a toy in her mouth. It scared our grandson the first time she did it him but now he just laughs at her. Molly knows Ron will let lick him but don't try it on Mom. Sometimes she just has to sneak in a taste test though.
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