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MegCUser is Offline
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01/19/2009 3:57 PM  
There are multiple angles to breeding for hunting within this breed, so there's quite a bit of variability. Some aim for a 'personal hunting dog', some aim for NAVHDA dogs, some for AKC hunt test titles, some for field trial points... there is a lot of overlap there for sure, but as an example the all age FT dogs are *probably* going to come out more energetic than some other options in that spectrum. Obviously a person should look at the pedigree, talk to the breeder, and observe the parent(s) to get a bead on what they might end up with.

I would NEVER steer a pet buyer away from a GSP with an obviously hunting-oriented pedigree just on that basis alone. IMO this shows that the dog's ancestors could take some degree of stress and still get a job done. That's a VERY VERY VERY good trait for a family pet! It also shows that the breeder is interested in furthering the breed for it's original intention rather than just a certain look, and this is important for the breed's long term survival.

FWIW I have 3 all age FT bred GSPs, and I'll gladly manage their energy level since their temperaments are solid. I have encountered WAY too many 'pets' that would chomp a person or a dog with little or no provocation. I have an absolute zero tolerance policy for that kind of thing. Their pedigree far supersedes anything we'll ever do, but they really ARE great pets.

Megan
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01/19/2009 4:42 PM  

  Other than the GSP my grandfather had 40 yrs ago I hadn't really seen all that many of the breed. And when I did it was with someone that hunted. So when I wanted a dog to hunt with I looked for a GSP. and thenI found out how great they are.  Seriously I can count the number of GSP's I saw before I brought Cocoa home on both hands alone. I know of only 4 other GSPs in town but have seen many more of them since we started the training process with her. Mostly at the trainers facillities. Maybe the people that do know that GSPs are generally bred for hunting are just surprised that a non hunter has one since they may have had a similar amount of exposure to the breed that I did. I was a little surprised that the dogs were used to pull stuff and agility tests also but I don't think that is any less of a job than hunting is. They need a job of some sort whether its running , chasing squirrels, dock jumping or hunting. People that really don't know much about dogs other than their specific breed that they own just see GSPs as hunters so why would you have a hunter if you don't hunt is the first thing out of their mouths. My dad has a goofy little mini poodle for a house pet and asked why I let the 3 furballls I have in the house. they are energetic and they shed and take up way more space than Pepe' does. I just laugh and carry on . I don't try to make excuses or anything

I'm trying to get my daughter into competative shooting and the first thing people ask is what we hunt for. What does that have to do with shooting skeet or trap. Not a darn thing but it doesn't make me mad. But I don't try to educate them on it eiither.

Just be patient with those people. Treat them with the same respect that you would want to be treated with  no matter how much of a but head they are and do like I do.  Just try to make room on your bed with your spouse and 3 other furry people.

JIm

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01/19/2009 7:06 PM  
everbell, Cody would say " Yes, squirrel hunting is HUNTING "  He would know, he goes squirrel hunting everyday.
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01/19/2009 8:04 PM  
My second GSP came from a shelter and had been bred by an IDIOT (he bred a dog that he knew had major health problems). I spent a lot of money on that dog because it had distemper and immune problems. It was not dependable around strangers but was good with our family. I loved it and gave it a good home for 13 years. When I decided to get another GSP I opted to get one from good bloodlines because I did not want to go through that hassle again. Molly is high energy but a very healthy stable dog. That is why I don't think it is a waste to get a good dog as a companion animal.
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01/19/2009 8:30 PM  

GSPs were bred to be Uber (SP??) dogs.  They are a versatile breed, so IMO a GSP that chases squirrels, hikes, bikes, mushes, hunts, does agility, flyball, is good with the family, etc. is doing exactly what it was bred to do, be a versatile family dog. If they hunt, well, that is part of the picture, but not all.  So, a well rounded GSP is following it's breeding.  I think most of the GSPs on this forum are certainly well rounded and versatile, even if not all of them hunt. 

I will also say that GSPs that do not hunt, but have a job and lot's of activites can and will be just as happy as their hunting brethren. After all, I think the most important thing to a GSP is their family.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

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01/20/2009 12:22 AM  

 I feel the most spectacular trait of our GSPs is when they lock on point on a critter or birdie You know that can happen on any walk in the backyard, neighborhood, out in the woods, field, or on the beach when we are with our GSPs not hunting GSPs are not couch potatoes. Many GSPs donot let their owners be couch potatoes. GSPs hunt all the time off leash in the woods and wild even if you do not hunt personally. The minute I let Rocky out the back door his nose is to the ground hunting some smell and scent up of some critter or birdie. So if any one else ask you if your GSP hunts or if you hunt him. You can say," My GSP is a natural born hunter and points, flushes up every bird or critter he sees or smells." Go to Fleet Farm, buy him or her a dummy and a bottle of pheasant scent then you can simulate almost the real hunting thing You donot have to be a hunter at all give your GSP the experience of doing what he was breed to do. I even have goose and pheasant dummies for Rocky to retrieve off water. He goes absolutely nuts when he sees these birdie dummies, so I hide them in the garage in a cupboard till the time to use them.  So many many ways you can enjoy the hunt part of your GSP while not being a hunter. I am not a hunter, but my husband is so Rocky does get to pheasant hunt  3 or 4 times a year.


Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
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01/20/2009 5:12 AM  
Well said all.

Marie - I play hunt with all my dogs both hounds and pointers. It is a beautiful sight to watch them catch the smell and off they go :)






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01/20/2009 5:50 AM  
Who knew my rant would turn into such a thought provoking and intelligent thread? That really is the beauty of this forum. So much respect is shown for varying ideas and viewpoints. That is why this is by far my favorite forum to read (even more than the auburn football forums!).

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01/20/2009 5:56 AM  
Whenever someone sees me with my GSPs and asks me if I hunt, I look at them & say, "No, but my dogs do," and that usually ends any beginnings of criticism (usually!).

:)

Daniel Yankee Flyer - 8/2002
Lady Layla - 1/2006
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01/20/2009 6:00 AM  
We choose a GSP because of their temperment and short coat. The reason we went with a purebred was to ensure that, as much as possible, our dog would be a reflection of the breed standards in those areas. (I was sold by the "displays a sense of humour / goofiness" in one description :P)

I can tell Bo loves getting out and stretching his legs with friends or going on 8 mile runs with my husband. He is never happier than when we are trekking through the woods and he is following his nose. At the end of the day, we know we have done well by him, when he stretches out on the sofa and only moves to stretch some more or groan :D .

On another note, I have been told that dogs only live in the present -- they can't miss what they've never known, they don't worry about what happened yesterday or what may happen tomorrow. As someone who suffers from an anxiety disorder, these are lessons I'm trying to learn from my dog :)

Joce and Rich
Bogart and Shiraz (GSPs)
Roxane (RIP: 1995-2009) and Tiger Lily (Cats)
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01/20/2009 8:58 AM  
I agree with just about everything said and can see both sides. I hate to see Weimers and GSP's taken to the shelter because their owners thought they were cool looking and then freak by the amount of exercise they need, then become destructive because they don't get enough exercise.
I know this,.... my little buddies get lots of indoor and outdoor exercise, and I love them both emensly. I would be hurtin bad if I lost them. They get open, free, off the leash running time if the fields is fenced, and they do stalk and chase birds, but I have no time to hunt.

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