MOOSE1 Fruitport, MI
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| 12/22/2008 4:30 PM |
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Just was reading over the NA and UT Prep Test information. Much of the items to be worked on are items that need to be done outside. With about 2.5 feet of snow on the ground that is a hard thing to do right now here in Michigan.
For those of you who have done the NAVDHA testing what are some things I can work on in the house and back yard to help my dog be ready for these tests?
Right now on a daily basis I am working on sit/stay , down/stay, whoa and stacking (not really needed for NAVDHA), Once the wind chill surpresses we are going to really start working on recall work outside but right now I wistle anytime I want my dog to my side.
In April our NAVDHA starts doing weekly training sessions and I plan on going to those as well. I really want to pass the NA test on the first try. It isn't cheap so don't want to have to go back for that multiple times.
Any advice on what to work on during these cold nasty days indoors would be great! Thanks! |
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pixie bee
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| 12/22/2008 6:40 PM |
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One thing I work on is retrieving. We have a long hallway. I sit or whoa our 7 month old and throw,roll and drop items in front, on the side,behind and past. This ties in with retrieving b/c it encourages steadyness. If he is steady he gets the retrieve, only about 1/3 tho.He has learned to come back and sit, most times w/o a come or sit command. This is important b/c if the dog just does it, it tells me he is understanding to work as a team. We heel with objects,turning, whoaing and sitting,w/o dropping. One word of advice - train for UT but do UPT, if that is your goal. If you know she points, then that is a start. I would train searching and pointing in every weather condition. Some dogs do not search well in high winds or point wet,very wet birds. These tests are not cancelled due to weather. So, if you think your dog knows something test them in varying weather conditions to proof it. |
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MOOSE1 Fruitport, MI
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| 12/22/2008 6:45 PM |
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I don't mind training in variouse weather but not in 2+ feet of snow. That won't be happening in June anyway. So will wait a bit til spring to really get the bird work out. Thanks for the things to work on. This weather really sucks the big one right now and I havn't even been able to get her out to the store latly to work on being behaved in public. Maybe next week! I really just want to get the NA done this year so will train to UPT and then next year work on higher if I like doing it. I am just a go out and hunt type of person so I am not sure how much testing I will do but I want that NA test for sure! |
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Hogan Wisconsin
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| 12/23/2008 5:20 AM |
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Work on force fetch on the table during the Winter months and then work on your field an water work during the summer. If you look at the NAVHDA scores, you will see that a majority of the Utilliy scores are during the Fall tests. This gives you the Summer months to get ready for the Fall test. |
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pixie bee
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| 12/23/2008 5:39 AM |
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Snow will stop less driven dogs. It wears them down real fast.I have guided my dog is 2+' of snow. He is the only dog on the preserve who could hunt consistantly in snow.If I were to pick the most damaging weather conditions it would have to be rain. Wet birds can cause a dog not to point(go in and grab the bird) or not be staunch. UPT and UT have several retrieving catagories and 1 with a possible live retrieve. retrieving is very important. Force fetch or serious hold training is a must, no matter how good of a retriever a dog is. |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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bravepoint North Gower, ON Canada
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| 12/23/2008 6:02 AM |
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Moose, I work on obedience in the winter, heeling, stays, attention exercises, fun retrieves and recalls. When we're out on off leash walks, I want my puppy coming to me when I call her. I change directions often to make sure she is always watching me. In the woods, I hide behind trees to see how quickly she finds me. Gail |
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Trey SW Iowa
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| 12/23/2008 6:47 AM |
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| Depends on the age of the dog you are working with, is this the pup you just got, or the rescue bitch? If the pup, just have fun with her, bond with her. Play retrieving is great, I personally never ff a dog before na, when I run them they know their name and 'come' (hopefully) the rest is exposure and na. If you are talking about running your older female in upt, get the ff out of the way now, it is the easiest thing to do indoors. |
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MOOSE1 Fruitport, MI
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| 12/23/2008 10:43 AM |
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I am speaking of my 5 month old pup. The older female I am leaving up to the gentleman who co-owns her with me. What he wants to focus on first (showing or field) is up to him. I worked bit before work on whoa in the hallway and she did great. I had only been doing it with her food bowl but I would toss and roll toys past her on a whoa and she didn't budge. So I guess she understands it better than I thought. She then would get the release to go get the toy. At this point I am not working on FF myself. I feel there is too much to screw up if I did it wrong. So I will have to do a lot of reading and research before I ever try and tackle that myself. I do have a good refrence for a trainer that I would trust completly if I did decide to have FF done by someone else. |
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High Voltage
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| 12/23/2008 12:26 PM |
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| I don't do any training for NA, it is a NATURAL ABILITY test! I do expose the dogs to the field , birds, gunfire and even take them hunting. Cooper and Rebel were both out hunting with us when they were 4 months old. Turbo was born in Jan so did not get a real hunting season before her NA test. I would just get the dog out in a field when you can and let it explore and, this is what I was told so no offense ment, keep your mouth shut. This way the pup becomes more independent in their search. Even with snow on the ground and no birds it still good for the pup to get out and explore IMHO. |
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pixie bee
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| 12/23/2008 1:18 PM |
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I don't know what is considered training.But formal training,as opposed to exposure, does not affect natural ability, so I feel it is okay to train ff and so such. I would teach what the pup is ready to learn and not let a test hold back a dog. |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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MOOSE1 Fruitport, MI
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| 12/23/2008 1:56 PM |
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What she is ready to learn and what I have the experience to teach may e two different things. So I am not going to FF until later after I have done the reading and research to either understand it myself or understand that I am not capable of doing it and send her to a reputable trainer to do so. I don't want to mess her up. She has so much potential. She isn't my first dog that I am training but the first I will be testing. |
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Rugergundog Saginaw Michigan USA
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| 12/23/2008 6:30 PM |
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I am also in MI and preparing my GSP pup (welped 4/28) for his NA test this spring.
Other than the water confidence you can prepare for all aspects of the test to a good degree in the house.
To prepare your dog for a gun shot, or sound sensitivity. As he is eating his meals begin to make sounds (i banged pots and pans) over him. Every few days get a little closer and a littler louder. Depending on your dogs exposure to sound already in a week or two you will be able to bang them sucks LOUD and it won't phase him. Take him outside and pop off a shot while he is about 30 yards away. Most likely it won't phase him.
As for the tracking. Begin to make small drag lines in your house.....5 feet long with a command, "find it" or "track". Work to keep the dogs concentration by holding him back a bit with a leash. Do that 2-3 times a week and work to using generic scent or a real wing with a reward of a treat at the end. Soon your dog will understand the concept.
Your dogs ability to point and swim are obviously best done outside unless you have access to a big ass pool or a barn.
Also your dog must cooperate with you in the field to some degree.
As the test time nears i run my dog through a simulated test once a week for about the last month; prior to that its just exposure to birds, obedience, fun swimming, etc. None of this is real training, just exposure to the dog is aware of what the task at hand is.
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Rugergundog Saginaw Michigan USA
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| 12/23/2008 6:31 PM |
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| If your anyplace near my area ive always got birds, a launcher and all sorts of other gizmo's for training. Some good ponds, etc. NA test is nothing but fun! No real pressure. |
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MOOSE1 Fruitport, MI
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| 12/23/2008 8:52 PM |
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We don't make it out a ton that way unless we are dock jumping with the dogs. We are on the other side of the state. Muskegon actualy. Thanks for some ideas on more stuff I can do in the house. With 3 other dogs I have to be carefull how long I work her as when she is being worked with they go outside or in kennels so that they don't distroy the wings and such. My pit bulls don't make the greatest hunters! The distraction is a good thing but them distroying or stealing bird wings doesn't work so well! :0) |
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Hogan Wisconsin
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| 12/24/2008 5:30 AM |
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Posted By Hogan on 12/23/2008 5:20 AM
Work on force fetch on the table during the Winter months and then work on your field an water work during the summer.
If you look at the NAVHDA scores, you will see that a majority of the Utilliy scores are during the Fall tests.
This gives you the Summer months to get ready for the Fall test.
Ooops, guess I misread the original post.
I hope that you do not have your 5 month old pup on the training table at this time doing the ear pinch
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bravepoint North Gower, ON Canada
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| 12/24/2008 5:53 AM |
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When I last run a puppy in NA, the senior judge told us in the opening talk that if we said "whoa" to stop our dog to a point, he wouldn't count that particular point. Gail |
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Rugergundog Saginaw Michigan USA
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| 12/24/2008 6:41 AM |
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Yeap, no commands allowed. You are not even allowed to point in a direction to cast your dog to hunt with you. The dog must cue off your shoulders or walking direction alone.
The worst part of the NA test is not being allowed to whoa the dog even after a viable point can be identified. My Brittany found 6 birds......and ultimately snatched up 6 birds. None the less he lost his staunch point and was trying to grab birds for 2 months after the test.
For this springs test I am preparing by exposing my GSP to a lot of birds (red quail) and launching them with a launcher. If he even blinks his eye the bird will be launched. This "should" firm him up to allow me to approach and grab the little quail before he tries to.
I was a bit upset during my first test because the judge told me, "yea once we see he is on point and a point established you can whoa or whatever to keep him from moving" 3 minutes later during the test he recanted that and did not allow it.
Most of the test is just to see if the dog has desire to hunt, cooperate with you and his nose is keen to what a bird is. No real formal training needed as was said; unless you are trying to avoid something such as I am. I hope to have my dog 3/4 of the way ready for the UT when he does his NA. |
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bravepoint North Gower, ON Canada
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| 12/24/2008 7:12 AM |
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Rugergundog, The same thing happened to me. In her NA test, Terra found and pointed 7 birds, caught them all and retrieved them to me. It took me a while to get her to hold after that. With my latest puppy, I'm hoping to do as you described to avoid the catching thing. We won't be out on birds again til late April early May but our test is August so we have some time. Gail |
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pixie bee
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| 12/24/2008 8:18 AM |
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" No real formal training needed as was said;..." I think you are referring to what I posted? If you are, I didn't post that formal training was needed or required. I said that formal training does not affect natural ability. |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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r.r.rouse
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| 12/24/2008 8:41 AM |
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Formal training: example when a handler runs his young charge on NA test on a Sat. and Runs same dog on UT test the next day being Sunday. A dog that has been trained steady to wing shoot and fall has been threw formal training . A dog that requires a head tap at the water for NA test has been threw formal training.
You can expose a dog to tracks, water, gun fire and such for NA but if the dog has gone threw more formal training , the judges have to wade threw the formal training to see the natural abilitys of the dog. Every one wants a prize one for there dog. But masking the test scores defeats the pupose of the Na test. I hope this makes sense to all.
I would like to see the judges not change there minds about the pointing comments and a caution of whoa after a point or two with no words from the handler. However all judges try to give handler and dog every chance they can to pass the test portion at hand. I hope this above statement helps everyone understand the diferences between formal training and Na exposure. |
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