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12/05/2008 9:09 PM  

She's now a little over 5 months. Had her for over 2 months. She is STILL getting up on the kitchen counters. There is nothing there. I haven't put anything on the counters for weeks. When I tell her off she responds immediately. Then jumps again 30 seconds later. Sit-stay works works until I have to turn my back or go in the other room and then she's up again.

It's getting exhausting to constantly correct her ...


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12/05/2008 10:25 PM  

It's the terrible 2s in dog years.  Ringo is doing the same thing.  Not just counter surfing, but getting into everything.  Tonight he even got Halo in trouble.  They got under the Christmas tree and found one of their presents and opened it.  I found them happily playing with it.  I guess it could be worse.

Just remember this to shall pass.  The next step is the puppy stupids. That's when they forget everything they know.  Not!  They just pretend really good.  That is the teenage years.

Hang in there. It won't be long and you will be wishing you had another puppy.  Just like kids they grow up way too fast.


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12/06/2008 1:51 AM  
We bought some of the old wooden mouse traps and set them in the waste baskets , cooktop and on the counters in the house. Just make them snap away from the dog, you know face them to where it snaps towad the wall and not to the dog. It only took one time for each dog to set one off. Nobody got hurt and now just the sight of a mouse trap and they move on and find somethig else to do and we don't even set them anymore. Ours kept trying to surf the stove when we were not looking, and even after the burner was off there was a potential for a severe burn. We took a chance that a snap on the nose would stop them before a burned paw or nose happened
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12/06/2008 7:57 AM  

Yeah...the stove...she turned that on a few times - always check it periodically <img src=" src="/DesktopModules/NTForums/themes/blue/emoticons/smile.gif" />

Bev...sorry...but I just really had to laugh HARD! You so know that it was Ringo's idea to open the presents...too funny...let's just hope he understands why he doesn't get any presents on the 25th...yeah, right! LOL.

BTW...that's what I was wondering...is it a phase she will outgrow as training in general progresses and teething stops...or am I doing something terribly wrong. I correct her EVERY time (by saying off or simply pushing her off). Thank God I am patient ... I have an open kitchen so I can't close it off when we're watching TV ... and she makes the rounds periodically.  Not sure if she's looking for food or just anything to chew up.

And yes, she gets into everything else of course - socks mainly - but that I know for sure they simply outgrow.


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12/06/2008 9:16 AM  
Ask this question again when she is about 6 years old. Molly is really bad---always checks but lately she has been creating opportunities. E-collar does not work unless we are home----she is very smart about that. Have tried using the pointy carpet runners turned upside down but she checks for them. Could have them up there for weeks and the day we take them down she will steal something.
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12/06/2008 9:37 AM  
I have the same issue Pointer... I tried the mouse traps.... he learned to check for them and jump around them. Same with the carpet runners. I am still facing issues with counter surfing and Wachter is over a year old now. I am clueless on how to stop it.

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12/06/2008 10:10 AM  
Anya is 5 and I NEVER trust her with food. The only good thing is she's so tiny she has a hard time really getting up there and snarfing. Rogan on the other hand.... *sigh*

Honestly, I believe if a dog finds something rewarding enough, they'll never quit doing it. Which is why you can fry some GSPs on the hottest collar setting every.single.time they tangle with a cat or a skunk.... and they just turn around and gun for 'em again. The "maybe this time!" is totally worth taking the punishment in their mind.

I always say: Thank goodness our dogs can't play the lottery, because we'd all be BROKE, lol! The counter surfing, chasing meaties, etc is irritating, but taking a step back it's just another manifestation of their eternal optimism.

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12/06/2008 10:16 AM  
Ditto ... I'm not crazy about it, but what are you going to do?

Since we have an open concept house, the kitchen is part of the great room, and when he gets bored (or hungry) it's an easy wonder out. He knows to leave when he gets an "off the counter" or "out of the sink" but he won't stay out.

My main concern is to keep him out when I'm baking or cooking and leave him to his surfing the rest of the time.

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12/06/2008 11:03 AM  
Internal optimism is dead on! I have teens in the house and dishes are always laying on a flat surface with food in them so he gets the quick reward if he does a hit and run. While counter surfing is a problem here.. it is not the worst one we have is the kleenex bandit.... Wachter will literally stalk whom ever has a cold and waits until they are not paying attention then he dashes and grabs the USED kleenex and dashes.

good thing colds are not transmutable to dogs!

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12/06/2008 11:49 AM  
Everbell: I would either crate or boot Bo outside if you're cooking. If he knocks something hot over on the stove, he could injure not only himself but one of your kids very, very badly. Rogan and Anya are always locked up when we're cooking... Dulcie doesn't care that much about food so she's been OK.

A girl I grew up with that pulled her mother's hot coffee on her arm when she was probably <2 years old. Many skin grafts later she still had pretty extensive scarring well into middle school (which was the last I saw her). I'm a little paranoid as a result.

Megan
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12/06/2008 12:08 PM  
Well, for me, the countersurfing will HAVE TO stop one day. At some point, I want to use my countertops again - right now they are empty. Also, she did the same thing in my friends' (open) kitchen which is much more rewarding (jackpot, actually). I can't take her there unless she gets over this.

But I am glad to see everyone is having the same issues. This dog makes me doubt everything I think I have learned about dogs, puppies and training them. Then again, every puppy has given me doubts - I just forgot that that's how it works :)

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12/06/2008 12:57 PM  

It is possible to stop the counter surfing, but I think the only reliable way is with persistence and training.  I have seen folks uses mouse traps, cans with rocks in them and a thousand other contraptions.  The problem is the dogs are smart and figure it out most of the time.  Now I have recommended some of those methods in the past to friends as a way to keep their dog from counter surfing when the owner is not around.  I think these methods work best when the method is varied so the dog never knows what he will encounter. 

All that said, what works for me is a two prong program.  First, I am very consistent with telling them off every time they are surfing.  I try to anticipate so I catch them before they are up there and maybe getting a reward.  I also do not completely clean off the counters.  I want interesting things up there so I can teach them to leave those things alone.

Second, I teach them that they are not to take food ever unless I say it is ok and the leave it command (once they learn to leave food alone until permission is granted you don't need leave it for food, but it is still a great command for anytime you want them to leave something alone).  This takes a while but it really pays off because you can take them anywhere and they will leave food alone.  Start with feeding time.  Make them sit and wait for their food until you release them.  Pick a release word and use it consistently.  You can also do it by putting treats around and walking them through the treat field on leash at first.  As you advance then you can do it off leash.  Even harder put human food in various places and same thing with leave it.  Eventually, they will get to where they won't pay it any attention, or will look but not touch.  This is easier if you start when they are puppies and don't have the bad habits, but can be taught to older dogs as well (just takes longer). Remember to sometimes let them get the treat by releasing them to get it.  That way they get the reward for doing what you ask.

Both my girls are so good I can leave something yummy on the coffee table with them in the room and leave and it will still be there when I get back.  Ringo still has a long way to go though. 

The one thing you have to watch out for with multiple dogs is the competition between the dogs to get food or whatever.  That is sometimes the hardest part of the training, especially when a new pup comes into the pack.  We had some regression that I had to work when Ringo came home because the girls were afraid he would get something before them.  We just worked through it and they are ok again. 

If you teach the leave it with food and the off on the surfing you will eventually get a dog that does not surf.  Actually I think the counters lose interest for the dog because they know they can't get anything unless you allow it.

 


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

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12/06/2008 1:06 PM  
I am waiting for her to become bored with surfing empty counters ....

I am already teaching the leave it command - during our walks, mainly (too much trash lying around on campus). "Leave it" as we approach it, "aus" if she snatches something up. Then I walk her past it again with the "leave it" At home, with treats or kibble on the floor. She has to whoa or sit before she can take her food at mealtime. "Okay" is the release.

Will keep at it. They sure put our persistence to the test though!

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12/06/2008 1:23 PM  

Tessa - I think GSP test us more than some other breeds, but then I think GSPs are smarter than other breeds.  Just a word of caution and something to think about with using Okay as a release word.  That is a common word  used when we talk and if the dog hears okay in conversation, well he is released and acts accordingly. So you can end up inadvertently releasing your dog.  I have seen this happen many times where the handler gets upset because the dog broke whatever exercise.  The handler hadn't even realized they had released their dog until someone else pointed it out to them. 


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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12/06/2008 5:41 PM  
I agree with you Belle...

Every class I have been in has strongly emphasized to NEVER use "ok" as a release command. Instead use Release or something else that is not a common use word.

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12/07/2008 10:00 AM  
I dont have a gsp but have a Vizsla so they are somewhat similar and we had the same problem. We tried the whole coke can idea but she just wanted to play with them after they fell so what we found to work was putting a baking sheet with spoons on the end with a thing of food on it also and she would jump and the baking sheet and the spoons would all fall and make alot of noise and after about 5 times she has not jumped since...
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12/07/2008 10:40 AM  
I'm having the counter issues problem too as well as a problem with my little female won't tell me she has to go out and won't hold it and as my male poops she sticks her head under him and eats it and he continues to poop on her head! Its disgusting...do y'all know of any tricks to cure this nasty issue?
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12/07/2008 10:53 AM  
Texas Belle - The Christmas tree thing is too funny only had that happen once when my ex-mother in law sent bones wrapped up and didn't tell us put everything under the tree left for shopping and presents pulled out,ripped open till they found the bones.

We use to have a boxer who stole bananas off the counter no matter how far back you put them she could get them, she would peel them and eat the insides :)

I guess I am lucky none of mine counter or table surf - I can leave cookies cooling on the table and leave the room and nothing is taken.

Have you tried putting something on a towel with a pot on it and when they go for it they pull the pot on the floor and the noise will scare them - it worked for my sisters lab who was a really bad counter surfer.
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12/07/2008 11:57 AM  
Caroline
Talk to your vet.. there is an additive you can put in the male's food that will make his poop taste really bad. That will break her of the habit REALLY quick. Meanwhile,... if you cant get the clean up squad out quickly.. then sprinkle alum on the piles... that will also deter the taste.

Carrie
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