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12/06/2008 5:00 AM  

I'm not flaming anyone...but for me, a dog in bed just ain't right! I think it's especially bad in the case of a working dog. A pet should be loved and respected for what they are, a pet. Treating an animal like a human does the animal no good.
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12/06/2008 7:44 AM  

Well, I don't exactly perceive her as a human when she's in the bed...she's still a dog. I see what you're saying though. I am a big advocate of not humanizing a dog. Like Cesar says...gotta look at your pet in that order: 1. Animal, 2. species [dog], 3. breed [GSP], 4. [YOUR GSP] -  but it's always a dog with needs and ways of thinking different from the human species.

Now, wanting to sleep on the bed has for me always been something that the dog seeks, not something I want the dog to do (such as dressing up, celebrating Christmas, etc). I have heard several theories about it, so that's why I was posting this question. Some say it's pack mentality, that it's natural for a dog to curl up next to its pack members. Others say that's true, but that the pack LEADER always sleeps away from the pack and on higher ground, so by sleeping with your dog you would lower yourself to their level (or raise your dog to yours). The latter can create HUGE problems with a dominant dog/weak owner combination.

So to me it's more of a hierarchy issue, or as one book (which I really, really love) claims, for VHDs it could have an impact on how they work in the field - a view some confirm, and others don't.

For right now, on those "Three Dog Nights" (that's where that came from BTW) she can come in...in the early a.m.


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12/06/2008 8:05 AM  
I see the pack thing, and if any of my dogs display any sign of dominance over a human that gets corrected immediately and strongly. I have not had either of my gsp's growl and show any signs of dominance about any location in the house or food. I would not allow that sort of behaivor. I play with their food starting at a young age and teach them that I can take it or stop them whenever I or any famly member wants to.

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12/06/2008 12:36 PM  

I haven't had any problems with GSPs and agression because they sleep on the bed.  Mine have to be invited, and they will come and ask by sitting next to the bed and looking at me.  Once invited, they come up and snuggle.  I rarely have more than two of my three wanting in bed with  me.  Mostly it is just one and it varies which one.  Right now my pup is my most frequent snuggle companion. 

With regard to working, I haven't seen any issues and I have had dogs when I was younger that were not allowed on the bed, and the dogs I have now that sleep pretty much where they want to in the house including on the bed.  My dogs now are frankly better working dogs, but that may also be attributed to the fact that I am a better trainer.  I think this boils down to personal preference.

I have seen other breeds that are more agressive though when they are on beds (like terriers).  That could be though that their owners are not established as the leader or the are not trained or socialized as well.

With regard to this topic though, I think folks should allow what makes them comfortable and happy.  For me there is nothing like a good snuggle on a cold night with one or more of my dogs.


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12/06/2008 12:57 PM  
Ditto, Bev...love the cold night snuggles, or an afternoon nap with the windows open in a pleasant summer breeze.

One thing I have also heard is that snuggle time is considered "quality time" spend with your dog, much like walking, playing, training, working together. Snuggling won't exercise or mentally challenge the dog but it is bonding. Dogs love close company, and some breeds or some dogs more than others. So as long as it is that, hanging together/bonding, rather than the dog claiming (my) space, I have no problem with it.

As an example, my late Milka had a very dominant streak from the beginning and during adolescence, we had serious issues and had to completely resort to "tough love" which included bed AND bedroom totally off-limits. She came out of it just fine, and became a wonderful, wonderful dog. At that point I invited her back on the bed occasionally. Then I had to go through chemo...while I was fortunate enough to provide her with a daily walk during that time, there was A LOT of downtime. We both spent countless hours on the bed - I like to think that she enjoyed that closeness as much as I enjoyed her company.

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12/08/2008 9:17 PM  

We let Osiris sleep with us. He lays all stretched out in between us. Usually he likes to be pressed up agaisnt me and he pushes on hubby with his paws! LOL

It's great having Osiris around because Dave is a fireman and is gone for 24 hrs every third day. So I love to have the pup in bed with me all to myself. He still chooses to snuggle as close to me as possible even with the whole bed to stretch out in.

The mornings are my absolute favorite time of the day with my pup. Dave leaves for work about 6am, and the pup and I sleep till whenever. He waits for me to wake up before he starts moving around to much, and many times, I've woken up to him just staring at me, waitng for me to stir. Then, he will stretch out next to me to get his morning petting / belly scratch / snuggle time with his mommy! I look forward to these 10 minutes almost every day!  It's like he is so excited, saying "Yay!!  Mommy's awake!!"  And his tail starts going 90 miles an hour!

When we first let him in the bed, we had one instance of him growling when we tried to move him.  He promplty got kicked out of bed for the night.  He hasn't done it since.  We had to let him know that it's OUR bed and he is just allowed in it if we say it's ok.

I know that some say it's not good to let them in the bed with us, but I love that closeness that we have and I wouldn't give it up for the world!  (Unless he tried the growling thing again - then we'd have issues.)


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12/09/2008 12:07 AM  
brrrr....it was 20 degrees & very very windy here in MA last night....lola got invited into bed with my teenager, to act as a bedwarmer.......pup evidently woke only once, for about 2 mins, then back to sleep, til she heard me up at 5am walking past that room & barked til she saw it was me.......... she's back in the crate tonight, no sweat, since it's just plain old cold vs freezing...

trust me, no thought of dog being humanized, just grateful for the body heat :)
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12/09/2008 6:04 AM  
TessaGA,
when you say some have confirmed that it could have an impact in the field, well, the word "could" is not solidified enough for me. Either it does or it doesn't. "Could" opens up all kinds of interpretations. I think the biggest factor in the field, or any aspect of dogs, is the dog's inherited cooperation level. What confirmation do some poeple make about the effects of a dog sleeping in bed in relation to the field?
You know, when we first got into hunting dogs we were told not to let the dog in the house, that the smells,especially the cleaning products, would ruin the dogs nose.


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12/09/2008 3:43 PM  
NO I don't think that having your puppy or dog sleeping in the same room is a bad thing (when they are puppies I think it is even more important to keep them in the same room. They need security then more then ever). On the contrary I think it is a good thing. Packs stick together (especially in the cold to keep warm). But if you say off I want my space they should listen. That has been my system and it has been working very well for me, you just have to be consistent.
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12/09/2008 4:39 PM  
Lacey is getting a little big in her britches. Last night my weim was at one end of the couch and I at the other, Lacey was in her bed. I got up to put another log on the fire, before I even did that Lacey had hopped up on the couch and into my spot. She looked at me with a snotty look on her face like, "you didn't call saved seat".
I probably should handle this.
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12/09/2008 9:36 PM  

Ringo does that at night when I get up for whatever reason, I come back to the bed and he is in my spot.  I actually think he is going for the warm spot that smells like mom.  It is a game.  I come back and ask "Who is in my spot?"  His tail starts thumping and then I make him move over.   It is really pretty cute because after he moves over and I get back in bed, he moves over and snuggles.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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12/11/2008 5:02 PM  

Same with Osiris...  although he steals my husbands spot more than mine.  He gives me this look like... "what??" 


Caryl, Dave, Baby Logan, and Osiris
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12/24/2008 1:11 PM  
When I got Trudy she only slept in her crate. She generally was pretty good about it. Then I occasionally let her start sleeping on the bed. Then she always was sleeping on the bed. She's a super velcro dog and I hated the fact that I would wake up with sore knees from her pressing against them all night long.

I moved this summer and planned on buying a new bed and comforter that she WOULD NOT be allowed on. In preparation for the move I bought her a nice new Orivs bed that she fell in love with. I moved in to my new house, bought the new furniture and she did great sleeping on the floor. Then it started getting cold and between hardwood floors and the crawl space beneath the house, I knew it was chilly down there.

So at first I started letting her crawl up with me in the morning before we started the day, then I started waking up in the morning to find her already having joined me in bed. Now she just snoozes all day long on my bed. I've given up.

I'm so weak.
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12/24/2008 2:10 PM  

BTW, I'm compelled to comment on this 'no working dogs in the bed' thing.

What makes a good working dog? Start with good genetics, then add good training, sound nutrition, and a whole lotta opportunities to perfect their craft. SLEEPING ARRAINGEMENTS DON'T MATTER beyond making sure they've got a comfortable spot where they can get a proper amount of rest.

Anya snoozing after one of her early debuts in harness.

Dulcie often gets her spot on our bed or hers after coming in from a run.

This alaskan husky had never even been in the house before we took him in for a season- he even leaped out of his skin the first time he saw the TV on at our place. As you can see, he figured out the whole bed-thing straight away....

This is a picture of him leading a large string for one of his owners the following season in the Wyoming Stage Stop (he's the dog looking at the camera). He ended up leading them for most of the race.


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12/26/2008 11:34 AM  
I don't remember how it started, but I've had a dog in my bed for over 15 years now (that kind of sounds like the start of a very bad joke). First was my boxer, Flash, soon followed by my first GSP, Sport. Two 65-pound dogs with me in a queen-sized bed (and I'm no shrinking violet at 6'1" and close to 200 lbs)! On occasion I would have a third dog - a Viszla that I would dog sit. I'm not sure how we managed, but we did okay. After Flash passed on it was just Sport and me for several years. Then Sport passed and I got Hans three months later. By this time I was so used to it that I didn't even bother with trying a crate or dog bed. I guess I'm getting really senile or something - I've finally allowed Hans to snuggle under the covers during the latest cold spell. The only thing I really have a problem with is the tennis ball he often brings to bed with him. Somehow it always ends up under my back in the middle of the night. :) I know a lot of non-dog people would probably be appalled or disgusted, but it works for me so I don't care.

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