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12/04/2008 9:04 AM  

First off, I love to snuggle with my dogs so I allow them on or in the bed upon invitation, and they must get off /out when I say so. Main sleeping quarters for Tessa however still is the crate, in the bedroom.

However: I have heard that you should NOT let the dog sleep in the bed (or even bedroom) with you because

1. it will raise their status in the pack, and if you have a dog with dominance issues, or if you are working on establishing yourself as the pack leader, that's a bad thing.

2. it will make a versatile hunting dog less independent in the field, so if you want to hunt the dog, that could pose a problem (dog will statoo close to you).

Any thoughts?


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12/04/2008 9:39 AM  
Mine sleep on the bed (and under the covers when it's cold). I don't have any trouble with dominance issues with them at all, they get off when I tell them to, and honestly, how else am I to keep my feet warm on a cold winter's night? :D

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12/04/2008 9:53 AM  

Mine sleep in the bed with me whenever they want to.  Usually, Belle is in the den on her favorite sofa, Halo is in the game room on her favorite sofa and Ringo will choose the bed with mom almost every time.  They rotate from time to time with Belle in the bed with me, Ringo in his bed, and Halo in her bed.  And sometimes Halo is in bed, Belle on her sofa, and Ringo in his bed.  Once in a while I will get two in bed with me, but that is rare.  Ringo loves to get under the covers.  Halo just likes to lay as close to mom as possible and Belle usually at the foot of the bed.  Belle is hot natured and usually gets hot when in bed and gets down in the middle of the night. 

I have never had dominance issues or possessiveness issues.  Also I have not seen any problems with the dogs being indepent when working whether it is field work, obedience, flyball, agility or whatever.  They also have no problems leaving mom to go to doggy daycare.

I did draw the line though when Ringo tried to curl up on my head one night.   He wanted my pillow.  When he comes in from going potty just before we go to bed at night, Ringo always runs into the bedroom and gets in my spot on the bed and looks at me very innocently.  Then I tell him that's my spot and you either have to get in your crate or move over.  He then chooses where he will sleep.  It is a game we play every night.  Sometimes he moves over and sometimes he gets in his crate.


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12/04/2008 10:26 AM  
This may not sound good from me but we let our dogs curl up in bed too. The only dog we have dominence issues with was Moose. And he now doesn't live with us as posted in the"Agreesion Issues" post. We use to let everyone sleep out of crates at night but when you have four dogs who decide to curl up with you and your hubby in a queen sized bed I was loosing sleep!

So now two of the four are in crates at night and two sleep out and hardly ever crawl on the bed unless invited.

We hunt as well and have no issues with our dogs being less in the field due to them being in bed.

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12/04/2008 11:14 AM  

unowho, Michigan sleeps under the covers sometimes, too. She lets us know when she is invited up onto the bed if it is too cold by pawing at the blankets.

I had the most wonderful snuggle time with her last night after I woke up around 3am and I couldn't imagine not having her in the bed.

If she displays any dominance or growliness we send her off the bed (works on the couch, too). I haven't noticed her being clingy outside, she runs off, stays far away and points when she thinks it is required...when she's not sniffing the ground, that is.

Texas Belle, our Border Collie is like your Belle, up and down all night due to the temperature.

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12/04/2008 11:59 AM  
One other factor to consider ... it could be harder for the dog to be kennelled if they are used to sleeping with you. Probably not an issue if you have a well-balanced dog, but a dog that is the littlest bit reserved, shy or not used to being confined in a crate may not do well at a kennel.

Since we travel a lot, and we already had two cats who had staked a claim to our bed, we crate trained from day one. Although I DOO love snuggling with my boy on the sofa in the morning or just before bed time.

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12/04/2008 12:07 PM  
Trego used to get to sleep with us (first gsp), we got tired f the hair in bed. She sleeps in our room in an open crate. Nights that I work in the winter, she tries and sometimes suceeds getting into bed with my wife without her noticing. She always goes under the covers and is a nice little furnace. Once wife also got poison ivy on her back and legs from Trego curling up in the springtime.

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12/04/2008 12:54 PM  

Our dogs can join us in/on the bed ON OUR TERMS. That's the important part... if anyone gets grumpy or possessive, they get unceremoniously shoved off onto the floor with a foot immediately. That usually solves the problem post-haste.

Rogan had been the worst in that regard, and he's such a diehard putz that he doesn't even volunteer to get on the bed any more. He can't seem to help getting territorial and he KNOWS he'll get in trouble for it, so he avoids the situation altogether... which is fine. The girls are better anyway- they snuggle right up when it's cold and don't budge. <img src=" src="/DesktopModules/NTForums/themes/blue/emoticons/smile.gif" />

ETA: they're all used to sleeping in a crate as well, so no worries about traveling.


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12/04/2008 1:31 PM  

I've heard about the pack status issue, our trainer warns about that. 

I'm thinking you started this because of the other thread where the pup wasn't sleeping.  That was our situation too....pup got older, and less likely to make it through the night.  It had zero to do with bathroom and 100% to do with velcro dog syndrome.  He just got lonely.  Now he's in bed from 9-10PM on and hasn't had a problem making it through til my kids wake us  somewhere between 6-7AM.  Our room tends to smell a bit funky these days but what can you do?

On a serious note, anyone find this cramping their style in the bedroom?  Not sure I can deal with 14 years of this! 


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12/04/2008 1:35 PM  
Sometimes I have a hard time sleeping so when we got Webster I vowed he would never sleep on the bed. Well they say 'never say never'. My husband got a job that has him out of town Mon - Fri every week so I started letting Webster sleep on the bed so it wasn't so lonely. Every night he waits for permission to get on the bed. We have never had a dominance issue.
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12/04/2008 2:03 PM  
My dogs aren't allowed upstairs so the bed isn't really an issue but mine are all over couches. We have multiple dogs times 10 or 15 at a time and it never fails a new dog comes in gets on the couch cops an attitude and gets his/her arse chucked off until they learn that being on the couch means you must share your space with both the humans and the dogs you can't guard that space and if you want to guard your space pick a spot out of the way on the floor in the kitchen where no one cares! I have occasionally had a dog with some issues that we enforce a nothing in life is free hard core policy for and they aren't allowed on the furniture until we feel confident they are following the rules. If you have a dog who constantly tests you no furniture may be the best method but for the run of the mill guys I don't see it as a real dominance/status creating problem. I have 2 on the love seat with me now, there are 4 on the couch and 2 on the chair/ottoman with my husband :)

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12/04/2008 2:07 PM  

Febreze Pet Odor Eliminator works well for the smell.  I just  make sure the area I spray is dry before I let the dogs back into the room.  Crates and nice big dog bones work great for keeping the hounds entertained when you and the misses have something better to do.


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12/04/2008 2:25 PM  
Our dogs have never been allowed to get in bed or on furniture. A BIG no-no.
Not b/c of dominance issues but b/c I don't want the extra cleaning.
As far as #2 of the OP, no. The only way to change this is thru training, the wrong kind of training.
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12/04/2008 2:43 PM  
I started off early on with Wachter in a bed with me, especially during the winter months... BUT only after he managed to get through the whole night without an accident. Mind you, I also have a cat and 2 other dogs, so if he was kenneled it was with companions. Things tend to get cold here so last winter it was nice to have all the warm bodies helping me out! THe problems came when there started fussing over who got what space under the electric blanket!!! My deal is.. 1. I don't have a fur coat. 2 I AM THE MOMMIE!!!! when it became obvious that I was losing the majority vote.. I kicked everyone out. Now Wachter sleeps in his kennel in the laundry room with the door shut and he has no problems.

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12/05/2008 6:29 AM  

my pup Lola sleeps in the crate the night through, since about 2 weeks after she came to us...she's now 5 months..............but, she does take naps on my bed in the daytime, on invitation only, if i'm napping a little (rare!, but precious moments :) ....or sometimes if my 2 yr old daughter Ellie is sleeping in on my bed (yeah, if she 'whines' in the middle of the night, in she comes...sleep is precious when the alarm goes off so early) the pup will jump in with her after i've let her out in the am to pee.....   the first time, i was on the computer & suddenly worried that pup was too quiet (ie: oh oh, what's she chewing now...) & looked around, both 'kids' were snuggled up together, very happy & warm...... I think my longterm goal is in another year or 2, Lola will sleep with Ellie most nights...........

i grew up with the concept: a dog per kid....no one sneaks into room at night :) ...dog always knows............not that home was unsafe then or now, but it's nice to know.........as a matter of fact, i accidentally fell asleep with them on the bed on T-day last week (2 hours!--yikes for the cooking schedule, good thing dinner was at 6pm)....& only woke up cuz Lola 'woofed' once as my teenager came up the stairs to the bedroom level...one woof, then pup knew who it was, & stopped..... I woke up & told her she's a good pup....that's her job :)

shorthairs are such nice little heaters to snuggle up with

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12/05/2008 6:37 AM  
shorthairs are such nice little heaters to snuggle up with


Amen! I just loooove snuggling with Bogey and my tea in the morning, and then again just before bed time at night :D

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12/05/2008 12:19 PM  

 Last year pic -07 of Rocky pre-warming his master's spot in the bed


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12/05/2008 12:22 PM  

Rocky's favorite chair in our livingroom with his Ducks Unlimited cover


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12/05/2008 12:32 PM  
On nights I work, Rocky warms up my side till I get home and go to bed. Then he goes down in his dog bed which is directly on the floor on my side of the bed. I cannot sleep with him so that is how it is. Just too many paws and claws, too much heavy panting if under the covers for me to sleep with him. Wakes me up too much if he sleeps with me. I can reach down and pet him if I want in his own bed.

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12/05/2008 2:35 PM  

Mine sleep with me, I've just given up.  It was fine when I just had one, then I got Jasper and he had to sleep on the floor.  Except when he would creep into bed while I was asleep.  (I must have been really passed out.)  Finally I just got a bigger bed.  It doesn't keep them from squashing me in the middle but at least nobody falls out (which was usually me).  

I have no problem booting either of them off the bed; its just that deep down inside I don't want to. 

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