TessaGA Georgia
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| 12/03/2008 2:15 PM |
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Are there different "down" commands for the GSP?
From what I read on the German DK forum, "down" (English command) means the dog needs to drop,with the head down as well, not head up looking around. Apparently, the German "platz", in Germany is reserved for formal obedience and not used with hunting dogs? And it sounds like "down" is a very serious command as it is used to drop the dog to the ground when needed, in the field. Again, dog is expected to drop body and head to the ground. It is different from the command given for "ablegen" e.g. telling the dog to lie in one place until released ("platz" .
I can see that can come in handy. What does "down" mean to your dogs? Do you teach them different ones? And how?
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mit Harleysville, PA
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| 12/03/2008 2:45 PM |
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We use two down commands. 'Down' used as the serious command as you described & 'lie down' as in we want you to lie down but your head doesn't need to be down. |
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carlower1 Kansas
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| 12/03/2008 3:49 PM |
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for us.. down means that you are laying down on your stomach, head position doesnt matter. OFF means get off whatever you jumped up on. Carrie |
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escampbell
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| 12/03/2008 4:51 PM |
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This question is an obedience lovers dream... I also use "off" to tell my dogs to stop jumping up or to get off the furniture. "Down" is for formal or emergency fast drops to the ground. I use it in everyday life and for the drop-on-recall in the obedience ring. The dog is to stay crouched, hips up, ready to jump to his/her feet. I use "curl" when my dog is at my side and/or I want them to lie down in a relaxed down, such as for a long down in obedience or if they are just to lie down and be "off duty." When I say "curl" I expect one hip to flip to the side. If one hip does not, I repeat the word and my dogs learn to move a hip to assume the proper position. I do not care where the head is on a curl. On down, I expect the dog to be alert and waiting for my next command. I don't think the words matter, but keep your expectations for each command clear. Eleanor |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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bravepoint North Gower, ON Canada
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| 12/03/2008 5:35 PM |
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To my dogs, down means lie down with the elbows touching the floor and the back legs crouched ready to get up quickly if needed. I teach a fold back down which is needed in agility for a fast down on the table. It's also good for a drop on recall or moving down. Off means get off the counter or furniture or person. Gail |
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everbell Kanata, ON
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| 12/03/2008 5:44 PM |
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| ditto to Gail's meanings of "down" and "off". We use "settle" when we want the hips to the side (ie. relaxed ...) |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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pixie bee
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| 12/03/2008 6:27 PM |
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| I teach the down the same way I use whoa.Down to my dogs is chin on the floor between paws and relaxed. |
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TessaGA Georgia
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| 12/03/2008 7:36 PM |
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Okay, so how do you go about teaching the formal down, and the down with the head on the ground? My words have always been "off" for off, "platz" for formal down (head up), "place" to go to retreat to the dog den (I have one), and "settle" to calm down and get comfy. I can see the advantages of both the alert down with the head up and the down with the head on the ground. Should I add a "down" command for a down with the head on the ground? If so, which one do I teach first? I guess the one with the head up? She's 5 months old and as expected is having a hard time with any down LOL...working on it...one second at a time... |
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pixie bee
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| 12/04/2008 5:44 AM |
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It's not difficult. I find it easier to teach down then whoa. 5 months is a good age to start. I start around 4 months. I sit the dog,stand next to him and as I push out the front legs I push dond on their shoulders/withers and say down. In the first few sessions I do not worry about feet or head placement. I just want the puppy to understand what the word down means. After about 4-5 sessions,when I see the puppy is begining to put 2&2 together I correct feet, make sure the head is facing foward,make sure the hips are square(if that's the coreect term), and they are not allowed to move anything but their eyes. Time is increased as the pup gets the hang of it. When I can rely on the puppy to stay in this position for about 20 seconds I then add a hand signal after I have put them in the down. I put the dog in the down for quite a while,about a month or 2. I could use the leash under foot method but that seems harsh to me for a young dog. Haiko was not going down fast enough when he was about 1 year old so I then used that method. I don't start to do a moving down or a down at a distance until the dog will down next to me and I can move out of sight for about 2 minutes. We practice the down in the house and outside. With cats and squirrels and without. This is a serious command for me and I want complete compliance. The dog will eventually be downed at the water and in the forest and be shot over. |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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TessaGA Georgia
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| 12/04/2008 7:06 AM |
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Ah, the whoa...my favorite command. She is sooo good at it...just stands there forever, tail wagging but all else frozen. I can even throw the ball, she won't move until I say "go". I swear she came with it built-in. My previous dog's best command was the "down" - rock solid very early on. But it is Tessa's worst. I started her a few weeks ago using treats to guide her down. Now she downs on command, then we wait about 10-20 second, then she gets her treat, then she is released. I can walk around her without her getting up. That's where we're at. 20 seconds is the most I was able to get out of her so far. As I said...one second at a time...incremental. When you say you down your dog for one month or two, I assume it's one minute or two |
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pixie bee
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| 12/04/2008 7:13 AM |
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No. I keep them there until they are about 2 years old.LOL. Yes, a few minutes but what I really meant is that I put them,physically, in the down.I do not rely on them to do it themselves until I see they fully understand and can comply quickly. I do not want them to think about it. It want it to be reflex. Yeah, that sentence was pretty funny the way it was phrased. |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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Ellegirl
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| 12/04/2008 7:20 AM |
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When you treat her for the down do not release her right away. Wait a few seconds and praise her for a good down stay, then release. |
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everbell Kanata, ON
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| 12/04/2008 8:29 AM |
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| Bo's worse command is stay. I can get him in a good down, settle, but as soon as I turn my back he's up. We're still working on it tho ... |
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TessaGA Georgia
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| 12/04/2008 8:37 AM |
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| Oh, I see, thanks for clarifying, Francine. |
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bravepoint North Gower, ON Canada
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| 12/04/2008 12:41 PM |
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Rayne was having a hard time staying down as well. I trained the down by luring her. She would always spring up right after her treat. What I worked on was lenghtening the time between treats and we can now stay for 2 minutes. I release her after that. Gail |
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everbell Kanata, ON
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| 12/04/2008 12:55 PM |
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| That's a good tip Gail ... I'll keep working on it. Theoretically, how long should a dog be able to maintain a stay? |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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bravepoint North Gower, ON Canada
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| 12/04/2008 1:14 PM |
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Joce, A long time! Start with staying close and increasing the time before you add distance to the stay. Treat every 15 secs. initially and gradually stretch out the time between rewards. Gail |
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