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Texas BelleUser is Offline
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11/26/2008 2:33 PM  

Moose -  You might want to try the blog on this website for your log.  I have been keeping a blog on Ringo as he grows up and it has been allot of fun.  I keep a copy as who  knows maybe someday I will turn it into a book.

 


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11/26/2008 2:38 PM  
Not a bad idea. I wonder how I start that.... I will have to look when I get home!

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11/26/2008 3:43 PM  

It's pretty easy and I think you will understand once you look, but if you have any questions just let me know.  The only thing that got me the first time I posted is it takes sometimes up to 10 minutes for it to show up, so unless you want multiple posts (a real pain to get rid of) hit the submit button once and just wait, it will show up. I like the blogs as they are much easier to find when you want to do an update.


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11/26/2008 11:46 PM  

 When you think about it, we can train our GSPs into anything and anyway we want them to be Think of your GSP day one at your house how he was then and what he is now. With training and consistency dogs can be trained to all they can be!!! Just like in the Army

Rocky day one at my house, Chased cars, afraid to walk on leash past a big truck or giant machinery. would turn around and growl if I touched his backend trying to guide in in a certain direction. On the hunting field Rocky was afraid to pick up a live bird.

Today Rocky doesnot chase cars, He burns his excess energy chasing and retrieving tennis balls!!

On walks he does not fear large trucks and can walk by them calmly!!

Touch exercises under my trainers guidance got Rocky used to me touching him in guidance without growling.

So in the end I was able to change alot of Rocky. In fact a person who saw Rocky the first day we adopted him, seeing him 6 months latter thought he was a different dog Could not believe Rocky was the same dog.

So with your plan Beth, I feel Moose can be changed  to what you want him to be too


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11/27/2008 4:33 AM  
Dear Beth
I totally understand where you are coming from. My family has always been staunchly pro animal and pro dog. My father in particular aught us to be respectful of all animals (even the tiniest insect) and to try to hapily co -exist. I am not a GSP expert but we have had packs of dogs all our lives. At one stage we had a very strong male golden retriever, a female lab, an italian pointer (female) and a male schnauzer. Plus about 5 cats, all living in harmony in the countryside. At some stage my dog Teddie, the male retriever would get aggressive though never with us. On occasions we had other male dogs visit - we lived on a big piece of land in the countryside quite isolated and our animals roamed free.
But what I wanted to say is that I am not judging you, you know your dog and your wee boy. It sounds like Moose is feeling crowded out, ie before he held some position in the hierarchy that he now feels has been taken from him. I am not a behavirourist nor antying similar but is there any way he can retain that position? I am not sure that you can really train that out of a dog...but in all cases..if the worst comes to the worst...remember that a lot of people have adopted other poeple's dogs, me for one, and we have built tremendous relationhips with our pooches. If you met Max you would see what a strong bond he has with us after 15 months with us and 3 years with someone else. So dogs and humans adapt. I am sure there is a good solution waiting for you. As a pet lover I understand what you are going through and what your concerns are (abandoning your little boy) and that sometimes you have to do everything you can before you give up. I know you need to do that. I would encourage you though when you get to the stage where you know either way, to follow that instinct and do what it tells you. If it says go back to your friend, listen to that instinct. Your beautiful Moose will be happy with someone else as well. Trust me. And good luck to you.
By the way - thank God there are people like you that put so much thought and agony into giving up their pooches!
Claudia
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11/27/2008 4:51 AM  
By the way - thank God there are people like you that put so much thought and agony into giving up their pooches!


Ditto -- we have friends who have two beautiful pointer girls that were given up because they were either too much work or had outlived their usefulness as hunters.

When we adopt our dogs it really is a life decision and I commend you on doing everything you can to make this work. I'm sure you would never put Jayden at risk unnecessarily.

I agree with Francine that some dogs just can't be fixed (despite the "Dog Whisperer"), but I can understand that you want to know that you gave it your very best effort and didn't just bail when the going got tough. If in the end you do have him adopted by your friend, at least you will know he is in a warm, safe place and that you gave it your best shot.

Good luck!

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11/27/2008 9:01 AM  
Beth, I hope all works out for you and your families. Happy Thanksgiving!

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11/28/2008 3:32 PM  
Many of you will probably sigh and roll your eyes but we made our final decision. Moose is staying with our friend for good. Unless for some reason that person has problems in the future then he will come back to us.

Over several phone conversations with our friend it became very apparent that Moose is having a blast and LOVING life there. So we decided to lay everything to rest and let him stay.

It feels very good to have that decision made once and for all. A load has been lifted!

Thank you all for your kind words,advice and encouragment!

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11/28/2008 3:45 PM  
Beth,
My heart goes out to you. I know that was a tough decision to make.

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11/28/2008 3:53 PM  

Very very HAPPY you have made a final decision.  Good for you and your famly. Especially happy Moose is happy in his new home too


Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
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Texas BelleUser is Offline
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11/28/2008 8:54 PM  

I would never sigh and roll my eyes.  You had a hard decision to make and you did it the right way. You explored all options and discussed with your family and after allot of soul searching made the decision that you feel is best for all.  I know it wasn't easy, but you did the right thing.  Sounds like everyone is breathing a sigh right now.  I admire you greatly for the process you followed and the work you did in coming to this decision. 

Now go give Jayden a big hug, and remember everything happens for the best. I know that is sometimes hard to believe, but just keep looking for the silver lining, it is always there.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

hit-fri DSC_0203 DSC_0006DSC_0044 Fauna BIS Jan 20110001 croppedDSC_0027

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11/29/2008 4:56 AM  
Beth
it would have been really hard for you to come to this point. But well done on making a decision that will work out for all of you, I am sure
I am sending Moose blessings right now. Who knows he might be back with you in the future when your son is a bit older!


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11/30/2008 9:34 PM  
Your friend has lifted a hugh weight off of you. Friends like this don't happen along every day. I am glad it worked out this way. You do not have to worry when you run to the bathroom,answer the phone or any other little thing that would take you away for just a moment.And you don't have to loose sleep over your decision.
You really struggled with this and this says a lot about your character. You are a strong person.
Not like me who is going to shoot my puppy for messing with my jacket right now.LOL.
Francine


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12/02/2008 11:36 AM  
Beth,
I just got caught up on Moose today during lunch at work and my eyes are tearing up for your loss. In many respects you've had to make a decision similar to the one we're often forced to make when it's time to say goodbye to one of our old furkids at the end of their life. It's never, ever easy to let them go and we agonize over the decision. But in the end it's often a quality of life issue, both theirs and ours, that's the deciding factor. I'm sure your heart is breaking and you will continue to hurt for some time - that's because you love Moose so much. But you have the support of everyone here - I dare anyone to roll their eyes over such a tough decision. Hang in there, stay strong, and take comfort in knowing Moose is happy and Jayden is safe.
Larry

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12/02/2008 12:30 PM  
Thanks Larry! That was very nice of you! I do miss him but get almost daily updates. And so far no more calls that he has run away! :-)

I know he is happy as I can see it in the few pictures he has sent to me. Thanks again for all your support everyone!

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