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11/18/2008 8:05 PM  
Oh bummer! Who would have thought? But thankfully this can be managed...and if he is overweight, shedding a few pounds will have other benefits. Keep us posted!

BTW once he starts eating again, try dropping a little cottage cheese (teaspoon) into his Rebound or chicken broth...to see if that makes him lap it up (works for my dogs, usually).

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11/18/2008 9:38 PM  

I was so worried about Rocky and the dang server was down.  Glad he was diagnosed and that it was treatable at home.  I went through something similar with Belle when she was 6 months old.  She ate something and got salmonella poisoning.  The vets said that could have turned into pancreatitis.  Anyway, glad things are going in the right direction. Give Rocky extra hugs and kisses from me and my gang.


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11/19/2008 4:42 AM  
Good to hear that the vets were able to find out what was wrong with Rocky. He's such a handsome lad at any weight.

You could feed him fat free plain yogurt ... you can freeze it in an ice cube tray and give him a few in a bowl to make up for lack of ice cream.

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11/19/2008 6:18 AM  
I am so glad to hear that Rocky is OK! And I bet he'll be even more handsome than ever with his new, svelte figure!

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11/19/2008 8:35 AM  

Thank you all for the tips, concern and emotional support for Rocky and I  as this is our first time going thur something like this  

Good news!! Rocky accepted his first tablespoon of bland mash with GSP eagerness with his first dose of antibiotic this morning. So far knock on wood, has kept it down. He even licked the spoon for more afterwards, so good ,

  Everbell, frozen  plain nofat yogert is a great tip to sub for real ice cream. Yogert is also good to take when on an anibiotic to restore the natural flora of the intestinal track. My Vet prescribed for now a powder I have to sprinkle on his food daily to help restore normal flora of his GI track. Rocky's next tablespoon in an hour will have a sprinkle of that on it.

Texas Belle, oh that had to be scary having a six month old pup going thur this So happy puppy Belle recovered well

TessaGA, I will try putting alittle mash in his Rebound  see what happens latter on.


Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
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11/19/2008 8:40 AM  

WGSPR volunteers Becca and Jared's first adopted rescue Gunner has this.  He lives a pretty normal life, they just have to watch what he eats, for the most part, he eats almost everything until he has a flair up. It will level off Marie.  Wonder if he can have yogurt?  My dogs love all of them...boston creme pie, bananna, orange, apple, you name it... 


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11/19/2008 8:41 AM  

the yogurt is a nice idea, Marie. we used to use it when the dogs would get the runs, haven't used it so much lately as we switched from cooked meat to raw, but it's also a good calcium source. Glad that Rocky is ok, there is nothign worse than a sick puppy. Hope you're doing better as well, I know how stressful that can be.

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11/19/2008 8:43 AM  
Marie - Did you try white rice or brown rice? Mine could care less about white rice (although they will eat it), but they LOVE brown rice & it is better for them, anyway. I cook it with some chicken broth to give it a little extra flavor & nutrients.

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11/19/2008 11:28 AM  

Going to hold off on yogert now as I have the Vet prescribed sprinkles for that porblem. Also , yes the recipe for bland diet included 2 and 1/2 cups of brown rice  mixed with chicken broth plus eggs, cream of wheat and cottage cheese, so Rocky is loving this Probably won't want to go back to his normal food   Lisa, glad I will only have to do this menue if he has a flair-up


Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
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11/19/2008 5:31 PM  
As serious as it is I am glad to hear that Rocky is on the mend. Our neighbor's whippet had pancreatitis and they did not catch it as early so had the IVs and all. Glad that you found it in time. I was talking to my friend today and said that now that we are empty nesters our dogs are really our furkids.
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11/20/2008 9:23 AM  

 Rocky ate his Bland Mash real good yesterday !! Well today he turned his nose up at it and would not touch it.  He also turned his nose up at the plain nonfat yogert. Did accept some bites of non fat cottage cheese. .....So right now I am taking gsp-fan's advice at boiling skinless chicken breasts. The package label reads 1% fat only on the chicken breasts. Plus I will boil some more brown rice.

What could I add to the yogert to make it more tasty, but safe for pancreatitis? ( vanilla, or juice from a canned fruit) I do have pineapple canned and pears canned in my pantry.

Also it is a bear to get him to take his ampicillin capsules. If I open them up and sprinkle he might turn his nose up on them. Is it ok to wrap them up in chicken when I get the chicken done cooking???


Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
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11/20/2008 9:55 AM  
I would find a way to give the meds whole, wrapped in something he can't refuse. I think they are quite bitter without the shell...

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11/20/2008 10:27 AM  
Marie - I was told to use white rice ( I used minute rice- it has no fat) because it was bland and boiled chicken breast we had to feed this for a week - it help clear the body out of all the yuck. We could not give anything else - no yummies. Yummies became larger pieces of chicken. Also eggs have alot of fat in them so I would not give anymore. We also had to change her dry food to a fat content of less than 10% (Innova Lite is what we ended up with - she loves it). We watch what we feed her - I put gound up chicken or turkey meat in her food if I want to give her real food (I do this with all my dogs). I would wrap the medicine in chicken or open mouth, shove it down and rub his throat. Sometimes wrapping it in chicken our dog will act like she has taken it,eat the meat and spit out the pill. Hope this helps.
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11/20/2008 10:44 AM  

I have a challenge giving pills to Halo.  She can detect pills or other foreign content in chicken, cheese, or anything else and is expert at eating the good stuff and spitting out the pill.  So, what I do to make sure she gets medication is open her mouth. Hold your left hand over the top of the muzzle and press the dogs cheek in between their back teeth with your pointing finger and hold it there so they don't bite down. With the right hand you can help open the mouth. Once the mouth is open, pick up the pill with the right hand and push the pill a little way down the throat.  Very quickly close the mouth and hold it closed, and stroke the throat to get them to swallow.  It takes a little practice and your hand generally gets slimed, but they get the medicine down.  The other option is to ask your vet if the medicine comes in liquid, then you can draw it into a syringe and stick that in their mouth and squirt it into the back of their cheek.

Of course, if your dog is good you can wrap it in something yummy like the chicken.  if your dog catches food that is tossed at them, toss the pill wrapped in chicken as they don't think when they catch food, they usually just swallow.

Another optionis to bury the pill in with their normal food.  This does not work if you only feed kibble or if your dog is a slow or picky eater.  However, if they eat with gusto, then they eat the pill along with their regular food.  Since your baby is not eating well, this probably not a good option for you.  I put it in though as it does work for other instances of pill taking.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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11/20/2008 10:47 AM  

Oh gsp-fan, you are exactly right. Brown Rice is 1.5 % fat. And Rocky's dry Canadea is 14.5 % fat. So will have to find him a lower fat diet dry food . His can canadae which we mix just a tablespoon is only 6% fat so I could keep that. so will go back to the feed mill and see if they have a senior diet dry food with leass than 10% fat Thank you for the Info. greatly appreciatedRocky will be 7 yrs old next month so we can consider him a Senior


Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
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11/20/2008 10:59 AM  
Marie -
Canidae does make a senior platium and it has 6-8% fat - that is what we switched to after the illness. We later switched to Innova because of Canidae's changes. It is really hard to find food with less than 10% fat. Instead of can food and I do not know if you have time to buy chicken breast (when on sale) or white turkey meat (this is the time to stock up on cheap turkeys) and boil and grind your own meat. I do this for 4 dogs (yes I do have too much time on my hands ask my hubby) then I will add carrots, potatoes and other things then freeze in small bags.
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11/20/2008 11:08 AM  

Yes, great ideas gsp-fan, we are definitely going to have to change some ways. Here is Rocky this morning. He is trimming up. Not cold at all no shiver with wind chills10 degrees, so he is a winter Wisconsin GSP with alot of body fat reserve


Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
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11/20/2008 12:12 PM  

Oh!!! Rocky just loves the new Chicken breast and white rice mixture gsp-fan. He was spinning cirlces as I set the bowl pf 1/4 cup down. Rocky gulped it right down. Texas Bell, we failed the method  of getting a pill down the back of the throat. So what worked for us was rolling it up in a small piece of low fat turkey sandwich meat. He took that right down. Oh !! the challenges our GSPs present to us  Rocky is good with me taking anything out of his mouth that he is chewing on. But if I try to force open his mouth in any way to put a pill in it. He snarls with back lips going up showing teeth


Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
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11/20/2008 2:20 PM  
So sorry to hear about Rocky. It's really hard to make permanent changes in your friend's diet. But it's harder to watch them be sick. When that happens, its easy to avoid the pleading eyes. How much weight did your vet suggest Rocky lose?

Good luck with this. Hopefully you'll get Rocky back on a food and won't have many flair-ups in the future.

-Susie
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11/20/2008 3:16 PM  

Rocky should shed about 10 lbs to be at a healthy weight which would bring him down to 80 lbs is our goal. The good news is that he is sheding it, but a sad way to do it. Well this afternoon, Rocky's walking Lab pals stopped by to see how he was doing. Boy did they zoomy zoomy together. I know he has missed them in our morning walking group. Rocky has been sparky all day so I know he is feeling better. Loves the chicken and rice!!! Also gave him a side little dish of yogert and cottage cheese all non fat.

Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
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