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2_Shorthairs
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| 11/16/2008 7:41 AM |
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I have a male (4 year old) shorthair I need to find a home for. He has papers and I think would make a good breeder or family pet. Only reason I'm need to find him a home is he is gunshy. He hunts, points, does everything he should, but if you fire a gun he's gone. I have a female that is the same breeding and she is an excellent hunter. So, I think the breeding and potential is there, but he doesn't have the one thing that counts (so to speak). He does not do well with other males but seems to be ok with females. If interested please email me at fishinhuntin@gmail.com . Thanks |
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Trey
SW Iowa
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| 11/16/2008 7:50 AM |
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Is this a joke?
I hope anyone that reads this board is well informed enough to realize that the being gunshy should elimate him from being used as a breeder, then throw in the fact that it is dog aggressive. Please do the breed a favor and nueter the dog and place him as a pet. |
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Ace1cappuccino
Carp Lake, Michigan
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| 11/16/2008 7:56 AM |
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| I was wondering if that would pass along. I had a gun shy male too. The pup we kept of course. He's just a pet though! He's afraid of everything! Both parents are awesome Hunters! Where would that come from if neither of the parents are gun shy? He is NOT aggressive though. |
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Cornell's GSP'S- Mocha cappuccino, Lili Belle Lotte, Sir Leopold Vom Hunter 1, Lil Miss Lotte Doddi, Ace Hunter Twisted Mister(GSP'S)  
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pixie bee
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| 11/16/2008 9:52 AM |
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Trey,
thank you for saying it.
It is stunning what some people veiw as breedable. |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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2_Shorthairs
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| 11/16/2008 10:22 AM |
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| Wait a minute here! You guys think you are the GSP police or what? I'm trying to find this dog a home. If someone doesn't want to breed the dog so be it. I've got a lot of money invested in this dog in training. I'm not trying to "ruin" the breed by any means. And if you think I'm gonna spend the money on neutering, you're nuts. If you are so concerned about it, I suggest you come and get him and you invest the money. I took this dog out of a life of living in a 6x10 kennel, gave him a fair shot at being a hunter and now all of a sudden I'm a bad guy because I can see he's a good dog and would make someone a good pet. Don't try to convince everyone you're some kinda experts on GSPs. I've seen how easily he learns new things and you haven't. But, he's gunshy. That means he's useless to me because I'm not looking for a pet, we have "pets". So if you want to sit here and give everyone a bad impression of me, just think about where he might end up if I don't find him a home. That kinda makes your negative comments affect his future. |
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Marie
Wisconsin
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| 11/16/2008 10:50 AM |
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| Is there not special behavior training for gun shy dogs to get over their fear??? I feel you can train any dog to get over a fear with behavior dog training. There is hope for him. |
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Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab18/Annette_Merryfield/100_0285.jpg?t=1287205231 |
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Marie
Wisconsin
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| 11/16/2008 10:53 AM |
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PS: Too bad there is not bow birdie hunting for gun shy bird dogs |
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Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab18/Annette_Merryfield/100_0285.jpg?t=1287205231 |
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High Voltage
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| 11/16/2008 10:59 AM |
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They are not the GSP police but they seem to know more about breeding dogs then a lot of others! Forget about the gunshyness, WHY would you think that any dog that is aggressive to other dogs is "breedable"? OK maybe if it was a pitbull.....
Yes I understand you said you are wanting to sell it as a pet but YOU are the one that wrote:
He has papers and I think would make a good breeder or family pet.
Papers do not make a dog a breeder.
We have a great hunting female GSP with great bloodlines that we have a lot of money and time into. She does not like to swim. Her littermates swim, her parents swim but she is not crazy about it. She was older when she got introduced to water so that might be it but we don't know for sure. We got her spayed even though we bought her with plans starting a breeding program. |
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Texas Belle
Austin, TX
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TessaGA
Georgia
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| 11/16/2008 11:40 AM |
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"I think would make a good breeder or family pet"
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I thought this was a working breed so it should be bred for its job first and foremost. Gun shyness and dog aggression are not desirable traits as they will affect the dog's huntability. Breeding stock should be free of serious faults (conformation or otherwise), proven in the field, titled preferrably, health checked etc. Responsible breeders usually differentiate between "pet quality" and "breeding stock". My dog's breeder does not even sell any breeding quality pups or dogs to the public, ever.
That has nothing to do with policing anyone, it's just common sense. |
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To live without dogs would mean accepting a form of blindness. [Thomas McGuane]
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Ace1cappuccino
Carp Lake, Michigan
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| 11/16/2008 12:18 PM |
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| I wasn't trying to offend anyone. It just reminded me of one our dogs here. Both parents are great hunters and not gun shy. I don't know why he is gun shy? I would LOVE to know how to fix this? He finds birds like a pro and retrieves well. Awesome. |
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Cornell's GSP'S- Mocha cappuccino, Lili Belle Lotte, Sir Leopold Vom Hunter 1, Lil Miss Lotte Doddi, Ace Hunter Twisted Mister(GSP'S)
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Ace1cappuccino
Carp Lake, Michigan
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| 11/16/2008 12:18 PM |
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| I wasn't trying to offend anyone. It just reminded me of one our dogs here. Both parents are great hunters and not gun shy. I don't know why he is gun shy? I would LOVE to know how to fix this? He finds birds like a pro and retrieves well. Awesome. |
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Cornell's GSP'S- Mocha cappuccino, Lili Belle Lotte, Sir Leopold Vom Hunter 1, Lil Miss Lotte Doddi, Ace Hunter Twisted Mister(GSP'S)
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Ace1cappuccino
Carp Lake, Michigan
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| 11/16/2008 12:37 PM |
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| my phone won't let me post, only reply. Will someone post how to cure gun shy dogs? |
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Cornell's GSP'S- Mocha cappuccino, Lili Belle Lotte, Sir Leopold Vom Hunter 1, Lil Miss Lotte Doddi, Ace Hunter Twisted Mister(GSP'S)
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Texas Belle
Austin, TX
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| 11/16/2008 1:13 PM |
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Ace: I would start by really building the bird drive. Plant some birds and let the dog find the birds, you flush and let the dog chase the bird. Do not let the dog catch the bird though. When the dog is really reved up about the birds, then have someone way on the other side of the field with a starter gun or air gun and plant a bird. When the dog finds, flush the bird and as the bird flies and the dog chases, shoot the gun. Watch the dog. If there is no flinch repeat very gradually moving closer. If the dog give any indication of noticing the shot, back further away. What you are doing is associating the gun shot with brids (something they really love). Eventually, they will not even pay any attention to the gun. With a dog that is gun shy already, this may take allot more time.
With a new pup, this method is great for introducing guns to dogs and seems to work most every time. They use it at Perfection Kennels, and they have held several seminars in the Texas area and allot of the serious hunters here in my area use this method. I used it on
Ringo a couple of weeks ago. First time he was on birds and anyone had shot around him, and the gun shots didn't even phase him because he was so busy looking for the bird and chasing. When we ran the mock hunt test on him we had someone shooting over him and he was solid.
Just remember go slow and do not rush the dog, especially if he is already gun shy. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
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pixie bee
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| 11/16/2008 8:18 PM |
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Gun shyness is a serious fault. So is aggression. To advertise this dog as a possible breeder is cause for alarm. What about these two traits would lead anyone to suggest this dog is breeding material?
Some dogs can have shots fired right over their head at 4 months and never flinch. Some are intro'd gradually, as outlined in an above post, and are still gunshy. It's not so much the method of introduction as it is the individual dog. Dogs who have strong nerve and are very birdie who were introduced improperly can be re-conditioned successfully. Dogs come in basically 3 catagories: soft,sensitive and hard.I have over-simplified to make a point.
Out of 10 pups in a litter 1 can be soft and have low desire.This is likely to be a dog that becomes gunshy and does not handle pressure well. They can be fast learners who retain the training but they lack what is needed to do their breed justice and therefore should not be bred.
Regardless of how great the dog is, it has 2 major faults. This dog ought to be given away free to a good home.
The issues with this thread is not that you want to find him a home it's that you advertised him as a breeder - he is usless as a hunting dog and fights with male dogs. At 4 years old, does he have hip x-rays,bite evaluation,comformation evaluation,any health clearances? What makes him breedable?
There are breeders here that spend loads more money then you ever will on dogs,litters,training,health clearances and evaluations so don't tell us about your pocket.
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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singltrak
Las Cruces, NM
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| 11/16/2008 8:45 PM |
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Hang on, y'all. It is one thing to say a dog is "dog aggressive", it is something else again to say, as he did..."he is not good around other males". Now, yes, when they are hunting and trialing, they should be able to easily run together in braces with no problems. but you see it every now and then, even with the broke dogs. Boys will be boys, bitches come in season or food may be a priority and bam...you have a growling episode and raised hackles.
My 4 1/2 year old male is all boy, but doesn't want other dogs jumping on him or growling, etc. He takes no quarter with that. But, dog aggressive ? No. I didn't see that in shorthairs_2 post, and we don't need to be reading that into it.
A good trainer can get past aggression issues, btw. You might want to try posting about your boy in the section on Dogs, Puppies, etc., That may get better results.
Good luck, I know what its like having one extra and wanting to find him a really good home...got a young fella myself who needs to go elsewhere.
Phyllis and the Singltrak furtribe
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bruns333
Central Ohio
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| 11/17/2008 8:23 AM |
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| I agree that he is not breeding material. I don't see a problem with you selling him, but you should make the new owners agree to neuter him before you sign over his papers. |
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Where temperament means performance
http://silverbulletshorthairs.com/
http://www.perfectpedigrees.com/4genview.php?id=721 R.I.P Trego 6-1-03 to 10-13-10
http://www.perfectpedigrees.com/4genview.php?id=941
http://www.perfectpedigrees.com/4genview.php?id=3626 |
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2_Shorthairs
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| 11/17/2008 10:43 AM |
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This is unbelieveable. Do you "know it alls" even read the post? Obviously the only one who read it is singltrak. I came on to this site when I got these two dogs. Go back and read it. Boy was I a hero for rescuing this male. Now, the same people sit here and slam me for what I write. Just goes to show that if you're not part of the "click" you are considered an idiot.
You wanna know why "I" think he could be bred. Because these dogs are not bred to be aggressive. He probably got that from livin in that 6x10 kennel for four years. He has had no association with other dogs. Just because he doesn't like other dogs does not mean he will throw that trait to his offspring. It's no different than what one of you said about one pup being gunshy from the gitgo. And if you "read" the post I said I have a female that is the same breeding, and she is a hunting machine.
Why don't you quit trying to be so quick to convict and help me find a home for this dog. That's what this was all about anyway. Maybe if you spent your energy doing that then someone could have a decent dog for free, and let them decide what they want to do with him. Not all shorthairs are bred for hunting, some people just like the breed because they're a cool dog. |
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pixie bee
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| 11/17/2008 11:42 AM |
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I don't understand. You are admitting the dog does not like other dogs. You are admitting he is gunshy. And in the same breath you are saying he may not pass these traits on ,some thing that you can not guarentee, and is breedable b/c some folks only like the breed b/c they are cool.
It appears you were trying to entice a potential home by suggesting this dog could bring in a few $$$ thru breeding. This is unethical. Whether thru ignorance or desperation you are not only misleading the new owner but you are encouraging someone to breed and possibly produce litters that will only increase the numbers in shelters. Rescues are busy enough. Better a litter is not born then be unwanted.
Can't you advertise the dog as pet quality and suggest, due to his faults, that he be neutered?
If my words are to harsh, I apologize. I have a real problem with the breedability of this dog and the advertising of him as such.
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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bruns333
Central Ohio
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| 11/17/2008 11:53 AM |
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This is your post
I have a male (4 year old) shorthair I need to find a home for. He has papers and I think would make a good breeder or family pet. Only reason I'm need to find him a home is he is gunshy. He hunts, points, does everything he should, but if you fire a gun he's gone. I have a female that is the same breeding and she is an excellent hunter. So, I think the breeding and potential is there, but he doesn't have the one thing that counts (so to speak). He does not do well with other males but seems to be ok with females. If interested please email me at fishinhuntin@gmail.com . Thanks
There is not a "click" on this issue. Responsible breeders and owners should not breed or advertise breeding quality dog unless they are such. This gun shy, poorly socialized male that you are talking about has too many unknowns to be a Stud dog. Maybe he won't pass on his gunshyness, or his socialization problems, but nobody knows why he is this way. There are too many good dogs out there to be breeding unkown dogs.
In your way of thinking if one good dogs comes out of a litter than all are breeding quality by proxy. I think you taking him in and trying to train him is great. Maybe he will be a good companion for somebody, but he should be fixed period!!! |
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Where temperament means performance
http://silverbulletshorthairs.com/
http://www.perfectpedigrees.com/4genview.php?id=721 R.I.P Trego 6-1-03 to 10-13-10
http://www.perfectpedigrees.com/4genview.php?id=941
http://www.perfectpedigrees.com/4genview.php?id=3626 |
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