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gsp_lab AL
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| 06/23/2008 10:51 AM |
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Last Wed. about 11 pm, Salley had a major crash and burn on the back steps. She was running like a wild woman and decided to jump up on the deck (instead of using the four steps) She was yelping and crying. Her back end was twisted around and she was holding her hind leg up. Hubby carried her in the house (I was crying) as he thought her leg was broken. Her range of motion was okay and it didn't seem broken afterall, when we got inside.
By the next morning, she was putting a little bit of weight on it and able to go outside and assume (though gingerly) her usual bathroom positions. Just to make sure she wasn't seriously injured, we went to the vet. He thinks she has a sprained knee and gave her some Deramaxx for pain and inflamation. Ordered 7 days of "bed rest"--yeah right.
Anyway, at 5 am Saturday morning Salley was pacing around the house--she now has diarrhea and vomiting. So, we called the vet and he said to stop the Deramaxx and called in perscription for Sucralfate-to coat the stomach. Well, the diarrhea hasn't stopped though she never threw up after that. Yesterday, she didn't eat too much and spent most of the day lounging. So, it's back to the vet today at 2:30 as she is still lethargic and now refuses to eat or drink. Even is refusing beloved treats. Interestingly, she acts excited about food and treats (comes running) but ultimately she won't eat. So, I'm pretty worried that maybe she is getting dehydrated or something. Anyway, vet called and he's going to re-check her to see if this could possibly be related to the fall, though it's a puzzling turn of events to him.
So, thanks for letting me prattle on and we'll just hope for the best this afternoon.
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Pointer Fan Westminster, Colorado
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| 06/23/2008 10:56 AM |
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Did the vet check to see if she twisted her stomach. Maybe it is just the pain that keeping her from eating. Hopefully it is nothing serious and she will be back to normal soon. |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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gsp_lab AL
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| 06/23/2008 11:07 AM |
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Hmmm...twisted stomach. That sound really bad (hopefully not the same as gastric torsion) I voiced my specific concern about internal injuries last Thurs. He did feel around in the stomach area and listened with the stethoscope to see if "things sounded normal". Thanks for your suggestion, I'll ask about internal injuries again today. Not too get too graphic here, but after the diarrhea, she remains in the hunch and she grunts and strains for a while but nothing comes out. I really feel bad for her. The good news is that she just jumped up on our bed a few minutes ago (jumping on the bed is probably not exactly the kind of "bed rest" the vet was hoping for) |
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everbell Kanata, ON
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| 06/23/2008 11:34 AM |
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When we had Bo neutered a couple weeks ago, they prescribed Dermaxx for the pain as well. Thurs night (the night of the surgery) he was fine, running around like mad.
Friday we gave him his first pain pill ... he seemed okay but lethargic. I went out for awhile, but hubby was home with him, and he subsequently had projectile vomitting and projectile diarrhea. We could only assume that it was the Dermaxx. And even after he was empty, he would crouch and keep trying to go.
Same reaction to food as well: excited about food but wouldn't touch it. We decided to forego the second pain med, and put him on hamburger and rice for the weekend. He gobbled it right up and was back to solid food by Monday and normal stools by Monday night.
Hopefully, your vet finds nothing and Salley is back to normal soon. |
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gsp_lab AL
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| 06/23/2008 12:40 PM |
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WOW-Bo's situation sounds almost identical to Salley's. Actually, this makes me feel a lot better that it may just be the medication. We're pretty sure Salley has a sensitive stomach as she had a similar reaction to a Baby Aspirin earlier this yea-though not as prolonged with the diarrhea. She tried to eat some grass in the yard a few minutes ago and there are all these funny sounds coming from her tummy--squeaks and gurgles. Very loud and quite bizarre. I may need to get something really special--like the beef and rice you mentioned. Or some stewed chicken--something even she can't resist. At only 45 pounds, she doesn't really have a lot of weight to spare if you know what I mean. Now our 77 pound gsp/lab mix (who is currently benefitting from our attempts with extra treats and special foods, btw) is another story. LOL. Will update after our vet visit this afternoon. I'm hoping for the best. |
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singltrak Las Cruces, NM
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| 06/23/2008 12:56 PM |
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I would (1) Lay off the Deramaxx (2) Get some Pedialyte or Chicken Broth and encourage her to drink...you need to force fluids and if that takes a big syringe and giving it orally then do it. If not, you may need to sub-Q Ringer's, (3) Keep her indoors and in a crate and walk her outside only on a lead. You need to keep the activity to a minimum. Gastric Torsion is not something you would think about with the leaping into the air...normally it is not activity driven. Sometimes there is some twisting and then flipping back into the normal position....not good, but not fatal. If it was Torsion and then Bloat, you'd have a dead dog by now. That doesn't wait and time is of the essence. This sounds more like a back injury and I'd check out (in addition to your own vet) American Veterinary Chiropractic Association on Google...look for the entry for finding a Chiro vet in your own area, and take Salley in for a look see...at the least, she will feel better and it won't cost an arm and a leg. My own two older guys get adjusted on a regular basis and feel, show and run better for it. Good luck. Phyllis www.singltrakshorthairs.net |
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everbell Kanata, ON
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| 06/23/2008 1:29 PM |
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Posted By gsp_lab on 06/23/2008 12:40 PM
She tried to eat some grass in the yard a few minutes ago and there are all these funny sounds coming from her tummy--squeaks and gurgles. Very loud and quite bizarre.
Yup -- Bo's tummy did the same thing. Poor little fella! Hope your vet gives you good news.
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mit Harleysville, PA
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| 06/23/2008 1:42 PM |
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| You & Salley are in my prayers. I hope she's on the road to recovery. The only thing worse than a ailing gsp is an ailing gsp that you don't know what's wrong! |
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laurenmarie MI
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| 06/23/2008 3:29 PM |
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| I hope you get good news from the vet and it's just the meds.....give us an update when you can. ((pets)) for salley....((hugs)) for you! |
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tchrisman Shapleigh, ME
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| 06/23/2008 5:25 PM |
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Veterinary chiropractic would have probably straightened out most of the lameness without drugs, although if there was enough inflammation, drugs would have been also called for. I didn't believe in chiropractic, even after my wife became a veterinary chiropractor. But old dog jumping on the tailgate can't lie or suffer from the placebo effect.
Here's my blog entry on the topic http://blog.marshfieldkennel.com/2008/03/02/chiropractic-mumbo-jumbo.aspx
If she has a bad reaction to aspirin and the other NSAID, you ought to discuss with the veterinarian. Could be an allergy.
If you had gastric torsion on Thursday, Sally wouldn't be with us today. |
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singltrak Las Cruces, NM
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| 06/23/2008 5:55 PM |
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Definitely on the same page as Todd. Allopathic veterinary medicine is very often called for alongside chiropractic. And, FWIW, my other vet, who actually owns the practice had the same take on Chiro/Acupuncture as you did, Todd. But...as Julie has said, and you also...."I didn't think it was a good thing, but the dogs and cats don't know they are supposed to feel better...they don't know they aren't supposed to feel like jumping high again, and yet they do...so, yes, I'm a believer now. " My chiro vet has now moved near the Chicago area, but is flying in monthly to work on all her little furry friends...Ziggy had his adjustment over the weekend and wow does he feel so much better. Phyllis and furtribe www.singltrakshorthairs.net |
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MegC Ellensburg, WA
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| 06/23/2008 8:47 PM |
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Ug. Hoping for the best. Blasted beasts often just don't tell us enough to figure out what the heck is going on... FWIW you can grip the skin on the scruff of the neck and see how the skin 'snaps' back. If it stays up like play dough, you've got a problem that might require IVs to solve (old musher trick). |
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tchrisman Shapleigh, ME
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| 06/24/2008 6:56 AM |
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Dr. Amanda is hoping her horse clients fly her to Florida one weekend a month for equine adjustments while they winter down there. She can tell quite a bit by watching the locomotion and by feel what hurts. Leaving me with the dogs.... She said if aspirin and Duramax were bad on the dog's system, there is another anti-inflammatory that should work. Can't recall the name. It wasn't Rimadyl or Zubrin. |
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gsp_lab AL
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| 06/24/2008 8:07 AM |
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Vet finds no indication of dehydration at tihis point. Meg--he pulled up the skin on back of neck just like you said. He thinks she is reacting badly to the Deramaxx (something that he said is unusual in his experience). Thinks that all the squeaks and groans from stomach are gas build up and that she appears to be nauseated (she's sitting and lying around with her eyes closed) so he gave her a shot of something to "speed up the digestive process and make her pass the gas". Boy, last night was very interesting--if you know what I mean LOL!!! I asked again about the possibility of internal injuries, especially to the stomach. He said that he thinks it highly unlikely. His line of reasoning is that she's just not presenting with signs of physical trauma of that type. He said that this type of injury (hind leg resulting from a fall in an active breed) is something that he's seen countless times and that the most likely internal injury would be to the spleen or liver--ruptured in the worst case which causes incredible pain and would certainly be detectable especially four days out. So, in a nutshell he wanted to wait another day before moving on to radiographs, x-rays, etc. I love this vet practice but they are just not ones to jump into lots of expensive diagnostic testing immediately. So we'll wait. Stopped by the grocery story on the way home and picked up some chicken drumsticks and chicken broth (reduced sodium) and white rice. HeeHee--hubby stewed that up and here she came around the corner into the kitchen, sniffing like crazy. So, that dragged her off the bed and she ate very well!!! Todd--I'm very interested in Veterinary Chiropractic at this point and am trying to see if we have someone in the area. I've sent an email to our dog club to see if anyone knows. AVCA website indicates that the closest member would be about 1.5 hours from here |
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gsp_lab AL
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| 06/24/2008 8:51 AM |
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Well, I've learned something new today. There is a traveling Veterinary chiropractor who comes to the Huntsville, AL area every other Thursday. Here are my options at this point:
1. I have an appointment scheduled for July 10. This was the first available. It's a one hour first visit.
2. Vet chiro will have a booth set up at the AKC agility trial near Nashville TN this weekend and accepts sign-ups at the trial. Friend of mine will be there and she said she could sign me up. It would take me less than 1.5 hours to drive to the trial location.
What do you think? Is a booth at an agility trial an appropriate place for an initial visit/consult like this or will they do x-rays and stuff? The vet's office near me has put us in a one hour time slot as this is what is done for the first visit.
Finally, should I try to do this quickly (this weekend) as we'll be one week post injury or should I give it more time--until July 10? Again, I don't think Salley is suffering *too much* but you know how a GSP's pain tolerance can be. One more thing, my July 10 appt. may end up being cancelled as I am out of town that week and this will largely depend on my husbands work schedule as to whether or not he can take her. So, theoretically, my vet chiro "office appt." could end up being at the end of July or later. |
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singltrak Las Cruces, NM
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| 06/24/2008 12:23 PM |
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It would not hurt at all to go to the booth at the trial, and I'd do it. You aren't likely to get a full hour, but many things can be done in a lot less time too. Dogs that may be seen or scheduled at the trial would most likely not be regular clients but in need of adjustment, etc, so basically you'd be giving the vet chiro a chance to look at your girl and see what can be done. I'm assuming it is the same person, so my question is if they are a DVM as well as a chiropractor. That can be really helpful, since they are more familiar with canine/feline anatomy than a chiropractor who basically specializes in people and also works on animals. Also, they can then prescribe both holistically/Chinese herbs, etc as well as traditional medications. I'm so happy that you've explored the possibilities of Chiro...its definitely worth a try. Best wishes to Salley, Phyllis and the Furtribe www.singltrakshorthairs.net Best of luck |
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gsp_lab AL
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| 06/24/2008 1:03 PM |
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Phyllis-thank you. Yes, it is the same person coming to both the trial and the local vet's office. She is a DVM as well as vet chiro and her name is Helen Berschneider. She apparently has a mobile veterinary specialty practice and does a rotation of AKC shows and regional cities in this area. Website indicates that she should have proper credentials and training. Personally, I have a wonderful (people) chiropractor who has bailed out my back, shoulder and knee on multiple occasions. So, I'm all for giving vet chiro a try, especially if the person comes recommended to me. I was one of those who was scared of chiropractic "quackery" but my co-worker used to work for my chiro and swore by it. Finally, I got so desparate with my back that I would try anything. I don't want to go on and on about miracles, etc. but he can sure fix me up in a hurry. |
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unowhoandwhy Middleofnowhere, NH
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| 06/25/2008 8:36 AM |
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Your vet can run blood tests to see what the liver & kidney enzymes are, as well. If he hasn't already done so I would recommend it, for your peace of mind if nothing else. I bet she loved the rice & chicken, hopefully she will feel better soon! I would recommend brown rice next time, though, it is much better for you. |
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gsp_lab AL
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| 07/01/2008 12:01 PM |
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UPDATE--Salley has been doing quite well. Her tummy got better and the stool was again hard after a couple of days. Bless his heart, the vet kept calling me at home every day just to see how she was doing. I was really grateful for that. Now 10 days of "bed rest" is not easy for a GSP as you can imagine, especially when my husband kept suggesting that we let her run "a bit" just to loosen up the back end. But I stood my ground and kept her quiet. By last weekend it was getting ridiculous (she was acting crazy in the house) So, now I'm ready to get her "up and running" again. Do you have any suggestions as to what I should do? Is rehab even necessary for a GSP? Yesterday, I let her run after the ball for about 10 minutes in the yard and this morning we went on a one mile (in 30 minutes) walk on a leash. She seems to be okay |
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