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06/03/2008 3:20 PM  
Just found out another bit on the AKCCAR TROVAN Chips. They operate at 128 kHz and are not readable by any of the scanners out there currently, EXCEPT TROVAN's Scanner it seems. Wonder how that will work with Vet's, Animal Control LEO's, Shelters and Rescues until everyone has sprung for a Scanner that WILL read them?

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06/03/2008 3:54 PM  


I posted this in an earlier post, but it addresses some of the discussion points since then, so i thought I would copy this portion into a new post:

With further investigation I found another article that addresses the issue of readers and in particular the AVID vs Trovan claims (www.rfidnews.com/stoddardmis.html). You can read the article and decide for yourself. 

Hopefully, in the near future there will be a universal reader that reads all the frequencies (125kHZ, 128kHz and 134kHz).  Sounds like the AKC is pushing the universal reader concept.

Most of the readers out there have moved to a universal type reader that will read all three frequencies, but apparently there are still some old ones out there and the AKC is pushing to get them upgraded.  That is good news if it happens.  At this point being chipped seems to be the important point, but I would also recommend a tag with the appropriate toll free number of the DB where you are registered that lets the finder know the dog is chipped.  That gives you even better odds of getting your dog back. While your at it include another name plate or tag with your number, etc.  That is even better still.


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06/03/2008 4:57 PM  
i have petlink, never had to pay any fees other than it being put in my dog. $45, life time registered and the scanners cross scan all the brands.

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06/03/2008 5:04 PM  
Posted By wgspr rescue on 06/03/2008 3:09 PM
what matters is that the chip IS registered with a data base.


Then Home Again will not do.  If your pup goes to the owner and they don't renew the annual subscription (or balk at just the initial registration when they see they are signing up for a lifetime of getting zapped on the card), the chip is no longer registered with a database.  That's the problem.


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06/03/2008 5:05 PM  

Anyone with any chip can register with the AKC CAR database.  Cost is just $12, one time only fee.


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06/03/2008 5:08 PM  

The problem with AKC CAR and a competitor's chip is if you have the sanner in your hand, and it tells you it's an Avid or Home Again chip, you may not think to surf CAR's database.


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06/03/2008 5:14 PM  
Posted By Almost Heaven GSP on 06/03/2008 3:20 PM
Just found out another bit on the AKCCAR TROVAN Chips. They operate at 128 kHz and are not readable by any of the scanners out there currently, EXCEPT TROVAN's Scanner it seems. Wonder how that will work with Vet's, Animal Control LEO's, Shelters and Rescues until everyone has sprung for a Scanner that WILL read them?



I don't know why they'd do it unless they plan to use their virtual monoploly in dog registration to corner the market on chips.  I mean, why couldn't they tune their chip just three kHz different?

Canada requires all purebred dogs to be chipped or tattooed and the CKC is the only source of ISO 9000 chips, that will only work in Canada.  (Techinically they will "work" elsewhere, just nobody else has the scanner...)  The veterinarians don't even bother with microchips.


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06/03/2008 5:25 PM  

For my new pup, I will probably go with whatever chip my vet uses (I think he is still using Home Again) and register it with the AKC CAR.  When you register with CAR you can get the tag for the dog to wear with the phone number to call.  I don't like the idea of paying forever for the dog registry (i.e., Home Again).  I may ask if they could use AVID instead, or see if I can order AVID and have them do it.  That way I get  them in AVID and CAR.  Good point though on if the vet scans and sees Home Again, they will call Home Again and won't know to call CAR. 

This is a good discussion and timely for me with the new puppy coming soon.


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06/03/2008 6:07 PM  
Texas Belle, have you ever scanned a dog for the chip? The reader tells you the brand of the chip, then the number. If a Home Again chip comes up, my wife's office goes to Home Again, not AKC. It's going to take a lot of education, and by education, I mean multiple free dinners and passing out scanners for free, for it to sink into the consciousness of the techs and veterinarians to look at two databases.

I can't keep rabies tags and dog licenses on my dogs. They either fly off in the woods, or get lost in the collar shuffle from training and hunting. At any rate, you probably have a tag that has your address and phone number on it, with the tag that has an 800 number right? The point of the chip is for identification when no other ID is present.

That collar tag just makes me uncomfortable. Like giving me a moped with my car purchase in case the car doesn't work.

So, I'd say use anything but Home Again, or AKC until the scanners are wide-spread.

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06/03/2008 7:21 PM  

Thanks!!

I enrolled with them and waiting to get my log in information  I am trying to find my home again stuff - I did microchip my friends dog that is here a few months ago so I am trying to find the paperwork in the middle of our remodeling mess LOL

 

Posted By Almost Heaven GSP on 06/03/2008 3:10 PM

I ordered them directly from AVID. It's very easy to set up and start an account. My initial price per chip was a bit higher, due to buying the Multi Scanner and the "package deal" I got, but afterwards it is roughly $22.00 per chip WITH the Prepaid Pet Trac enrollments. Not too bad when you consider the cost to get a dog chipped if you include the office visit to a Vet, chip and Registration would likely run right around $40.-60.00.

  Here is a link to AVID: http://www.microchipidsystems.com/

 


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06/20/2008 8:16 AM  

I took 1 of my mastiffs and 2 of my shorthairs to get OFA'd today the mastiff was already chipped and I still have 4 homeagain chips so I took them for the vet to chip my dogs - on the registeration form it states annual enrollment fee - they will be loosing business over that when they are the only company that does that.

I will be switching to the company Bruce recomended I have already signed up with them to get breeder pricing - hopefully I will have a litte of puppies this year!


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06/20/2008 4:36 PM  
In Canada as Todd pointed out, we have to identify the puppies by tattoo or microchip before they leave the breeder. I was considering microchipping this time but haven't looked into it yet. My previous litters were tattooed and then I usually microchip my own dogs around a year with Petlink, I think. It's been awhile...... If the CKC microchip is only readable in Canada then I don't think it's worthwhile esp if some of my pups go to the US.

I also never leave tags on my dogs collars. They fall off easily I have brass plates bolted onto my collars that have all of my contact info.

Gail

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06/20/2008 5:05 PM  
what kind of tatooer do you use?
I have a "crimper" - for lack of a better word for our goats.
I can not see doing that to the dogs - we waited a late for the goats and I about cried watching them
I held and Bryan tatooed them and then we had to 2 tag two of them which I don't think was as bad as the
tatoo.

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06/20/2008 5:57 PM  
Heather,

I have a friend who breeds mini smooth Dachshunds and Shar peis do my tattoos. We put the tattoo on the inside flank when the puppies are between 7 and 8 weeks. The instrument she uses reminds me of a cartridge pen from cursive writing in elementary school with more noise. I hold the puppies while she writes the letter/numbers. She odes a great job, fast and easily read. Canadian breeders apply for a tattoo series from the CKC which is unique to that breeder and identifies them. The other part of the tattoo is a letter which represents the year and a number which refers to how many puppies that breeder has had in a given year i.e. 1, 2 ,3 etc.

Gail

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06/20/2008 8:51 PM  

ok

sort of like our goats - we were asigned a herd perfix by American Boer Goat Association and the National Scrapies Program uses the same prefix and then that goes in one ear and the other is the letter for the year they were born and the number we assign them - I haven't seen the "pen" tattooer before I would like that better then punching the holes in them.


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06/21/2008 4:25 PM  
Gail, your chips will have to come from the CKC, and would be useless for a dog exported here. Frankly the ISO 9000 chip is the only reason I don't register CKC so I can play along when I come to Wolfe.

Can you tattoo just the dogs that are leaving for the States?

Our latest Corgi has her entire AKC registration number tattooed on her inner thigh. Of course her coat is so thick you'd never see it.

I think the pliers style tattoo would be less painful than a burning pulsating needle, but there's a limit to the digits. I know folks don't tattoo the ear due to fear the ear could be cut off a stolen dog, but the USDA doesn't buy dogs with ears cut off.

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06/21/2008 7:10 PM  
I guess I could tattoo just puppies going to the States. This litter will be all staying in Canada, I think so I may microchip.

Avery, my 9 year old has the tattoo in ear. She was purchased from Stradivarius kennel. I can't read it at all! The tattoos on the inner leg are much larger and can still be read years later.

Gail

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