Shorthairsplease
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| 04/23/2008 9:06 PM |
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What are all the coat patterns called? Is it liver roan you mostly see at dog shows? What is the color that has white with liver patches and small liver spots in the white called? If possible, could you guys post pictures of the different coat patterns? |
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Pointer Fan Westminster, Colorado
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| 04/23/2008 9:30 PM |
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This is Molly as a puppy. Her AKC description is Liver and white patched and ticked. The ticking gets heavier as they age.

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carlower1 Kansas
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| 04/23/2008 9:50 PM |
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| My boy is black and white. While we found him, the vet and local breeders assure me that he is pure GSP. We are applying for limited AKC registration when he is estimated to be a year, and will do the DNA tests then. But because of his black and white spotted colorings, I have a lot of people asking me if he is a Dalmatian. |
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MegC Ellensburg, WA
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| 04/23/2008 10:20 PM |
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Another liver and white ticked/patched crew checking in here. You'll see the 'white dogs' more often in field lines these days.
Some have claimed that this is due to illegal cross breeding of 'english' pointer into GSP field dogs- and lots of knowledgable folks agree this illegal breeding has happened in some corners so no arguement on that note- but our breeder also showed us a picture of one of the very first GSPs ever registered, who was clearly a liver and white dog. It's a perfectly legitimate GSP color regardless of what some might say about it.
In our area a white dog stands out more in the field than a darker dog, but ANY GSP can get a nice orange vest slapped on and solve that issue immediately. I don't think anyone in their right mind would refuse to hunt behind a good dog because of it's color!!!
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Megan + Dulcie (Lehmschlog's The Right Spot) + Rogan (Lehmschlog's BR Rogan) + Anya (Lehmschlog's Anya O Conchobar) Intro to harness sport/mushing- start here! |
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Shorthairsplease
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| 04/23/2008 10:25 PM |
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Liver and white patched and ticked is my favorite color I like the solid liver 2nd best. But I think all the colors/patterns are beautiful, I just dont know what they are called.
Wow! What sport is that? That is really cool, and looks like a lot of fun! |
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carlower1 Kansas
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| 04/23/2008 10:28 PM |
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Meg, I see you use your GSP's carting.. Where did you get your harnesses? I am trying to train my boy to pull, and have made a yoke. We are wanting him to pull a wagon with the little ladies, especially the old lady who can't go for walks anymore due to her age and short legs. |
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see'n'spots north central Florida
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| 04/23/2008 10:30 PM |
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"What are all the coat patterns called? Is it liver roan you mostly see at dog shows? What is the color that has white with liver patches and small liver spots in the white called?" GSP "coat patterns" are generally described as liver spots and/or ticking on white, but there's considerable variation. Some GSPs are more cocoa than white, some are nearly solid liver, some have no spots just ticking, ticking may be heavy or lgiht, most have the brown head & ears w/lighter nose extending to a blaze between eyes. While saddles, butt & shoulder patches are common the spot "patterns" are endless. I've heard brown instead of liver, but never "roan" which I associate w/horses. |
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MegC Ellensburg, WA
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| 04/23/2008 10:34 PM |
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I use X-back harnesses from Alpine Outfitters. They do custom harnesses with full padding, which works out really nice for GSPs and other 'oddball' breeds. Becky and Joe are good friends of ours but they do a HUGE business, shipping mushing gear literally all over the globe (Australian/NZ mushing season is just picking up as we're shutting down after all).
The cart is by my uncle. I made his web site but I don't make any money from it.
More information on recreational mushing here. |
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Megan + Dulcie (Lehmschlog's The Right Spot) + Rogan (Lehmschlog's BR Rogan) + Anya (Lehmschlog's Anya O Conchobar) Intro to harness sport/mushing- start here! |
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Shorthairsplease
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| 04/23/2008 10:38 PM |
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I saw roan in my breed encyclopedia book. I just checked the AKC standard and this is what it says: "Color The coat may be of solid liver or a combination of liver and white such as liver and white ticked, liver patched and white ticked, or liver roan. A dog with any area of black, red, orange, lemon or tan, or a dog solid white will be disqualified."
I know what roan looks like in a dog, but I dont really know how to describe it except in a picture. This is what I mean by roan:
http://www.awesomegsps.com/germanshorthairedpointer.jpg |
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carlower1 Kansas
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| 04/23/2008 10:56 PM |
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| Thanks Meg, but with me only having just the one, having him pull me is out of the question... I am wanting to train him to run with my bike but so far that has not been a positive experience for either of us. I cant wear a skirt right now, until the bruises go away. Mostly we are wanting him to pull a small cart that can pull my smaller dogs so they can participate in our walks. They haven't been out for a walk since we found the beast |
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MegC Ellensburg, WA
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| 04/23/2008 11:26 PM |
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Yeah, bikejoring with a GSP can get 'interesting' in a hurry. I prefer using a scooter since they're much easier to bail off of and don't have expensive pedals and derallers to bounce on as the dogs are running off with the vehicle dragging behind. But even at that I scooter with a set of insulated carhartts, helmet, leather boots, leather gloves, etc.
Some GSPs can be total maniacs in harness. Mushers have commented that they thought if they aimed a GSP at a brick wall they'd run right into it over and over and over.... my girls have a little more sense than that, but my boy sure would! |
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Megan + Dulcie (Lehmschlog's The Right Spot) + Rogan (Lehmschlog's BR Rogan) + Anya (Lehmschlog's Anya O Conchobar) Intro to harness sport/mushing- start here! |
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Shorthairsplease
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| 04/23/2008 11:40 PM |
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Oooo, scootering, I think (since I will only have one) I might have to get into that. |
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carlower1 Kansas
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| 04/23/2008 11:45 PM |
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| LMAO yes I can see them going over a brick wall... I know my little boy would! As for the biking, yeah I learned that the hard way. We have a lot more training to do before I can bike with him anytime in the near future. My problem was not him running off, it was the sudden unexpected stop that caused me to crash. |
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see'n'spots north central Florida
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| 04/23/2008 11:49 PM |
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MegC, Thanks for the pic, that's amazing. I'd never heard of GSPs "mushing" until I read your posts. I had seen wheeled sleds w/o snow, pulled by traditional sled dogs. I joke about hooking Kal up to a treadmill generator or putting on inline skates myself. Chip pulled hard all his life on a claw collar! Several sled dog looking 'Husky' dogs come to my Dog Park regularly, but none have ever shown much interest in running, whereas Kal is obsessed with running. How unique is your GSP team? What other breeds are involved? Did you post/did I miss a website on this insanity? |
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Jodi Tampa, Florida
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| 04/24/2008 5:34 AM |
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Jackson is considered solid liver... even though he has some white on one paw and on his chest...
Old pic... him at 6 months...but shows his coloring well..

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laurenmarie MI
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| 04/24/2008 7:30 AM |
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Well now I'm questioning the color of Kaiser. I just pulled out his AKC papers and they say "liver & white, patched & ticked". But from what everyone else is showing w/ this discription, theirs have a lot more white...is his right??
here he is...
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singltrak Las Cruces, NM
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| 04/24/2008 7:53 AM |
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Yes, its right. Kaiser's definitely liver and white, patched and ticked. When you are registering pups, its hard to come up with the right choices between liver and white/pt and white and live/pt. My Ziggy- www.singltrakshorthairs.com/ziggy.htm is Liver Roan, patched and ticked. As he ages, he also gets more roaned. His litter brother, Skipper, at the bottom of the same page is white and liver/patched and ticked-he carries the piebald factor from his maternal greatgrandsire, Ch NMK's Placer Country Snowbird. Emma, Ziggy's mom, is white and liver ticked although its truly more of a light roaned tick. These dogs are all closely related (obviously) and yet look at the enormous differences in color patterns. That's why the first thing I tell my new puppy folks is don't plan on ordering one with two patches or no roaning...it just doesn't happen that way. Phyllis and the Singltrak furtribe www.singltrakshorthairs.com |
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tucker WAY NORTHERN MINNESOTA!
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| 04/24/2008 8:03 AM |
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Posted By Shorthairsplease on 04/23/2008 10:38 PM
I saw roan in my breed encyclopedia book. I just checked the AKC standard and this is what it says: "Color The coat may be of solid liver or a combination of liver and white such as liver and white ticked, liver patched and white ticked, or liver roan. A dog with any area of black, red, orange, lemon or tan, or a dog solid white will be disqualified."
I know what roan looks like in a dog, but I don't really know how to describe it except in a picture. This is what I mean by roan:
http://www.awesomegsps.com/germanshorthairedpointer.jpg
We have Gunner who is AKC Black & White /patched & ticked
Ruger, Liver/White, patched & ticked

& Tucker our rescue, he is mostly liver & I don't know if the white on him is original color or gray hair, he was 10 when we got him

You can have Black & White AKC GSP's, but as of now you can't show them in the show ring. You can do field trials, agility or any thing else, just not the show ring. |
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Alice, Ruger, Tucker RIP 1995-2009, & Gunner 'To love a dog that has been discarded by another proves to that dog that love really does exist.' -Christi Cooper
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MegC Ellensburg, WA
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| 04/24/2008 8:26 AM |
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Crud, I've totally hijacked this thread, lol.....
Almost any reasonably eager dog over about 30 pounds can give some iteration of mushing a whirl, although some breeds are definately more prone to doing well than others. My uncle ran Bouviers with his siberians back in the 80s and they definately put their share on the tow line (but egads the HAIR!). Border collies, austrailian shepherds, setters, and coon hounds have run and in some cases were mixed into the amalgamation known as Alaskan Husky. Greyhounds and salukis are fast but don't often want to run in harness in their purebred form... however, they have been liberally mixed into the AHs as well to give a turn of speed. Many AHs have narrow heads, looooong skinny tails, etc that gives away a sighthound ancestor somewhere back there. Or floppy ears and a LOUD bawl that gives a hint at a coonhound, lol!
Pointers, particularly GSPs, have been a traditional skijoring breed in scandenavia for at least 70 years, but they really caught the eye of north american mushers once Egil Ellis came over with his 'eurohounds' (european EP/GSP crossed with AH) and started spanking everyone in the big Alaskan sprint races.
Our US all-age type field GSPs are very reasonable candidates though. Hard charging, athletic, and a lot of heat tolerance.... I've asked field trailers if they've ever had a problem getting one of their dogs in training to run in harness (aka 'roading' in hunting circles) and I usually get a ".......???" response. Apparently that's a non-issue. Stories about trying to STOP them are usually what crop up, lol. |
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Megan + Dulcie (Lehmschlog's The Right Spot) + Rogan (Lehmschlog's BR Rogan) + Anya (Lehmschlog's Anya O Conchobar) Intro to harness sport/mushing- start here! |
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Legallyblonde Otsego MI
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| 04/24/2008 8:35 AM |
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Posted By tucker on 04/24/2008 8:03 AM
Posted By Shorthairsplease on 04/23/2008 10:38 PM
I saw roan in my breed encyclopedia book. I just checked the AKC standard and this is what it says: "Color The coat may be of solid liver or a combination of liver and white such as liver and white ticked, liver patched and white ticked, or liver roan. A dog with any area of black, red, orange, lemon or tan, or a dog solid white will be disqualified."
I know what roan looks like in a dog, but I don't really know how to describe it except in a picture. This is what I mean by roan:
http://www.awesomegsps.com/germanshorthairedpointer.jpg
We have Gunner who is AKC Black & White /patched & ticked
Ruger, Liver/White, patched & ticked

& Tucker our rescue, he is mostly liver & I don't know if the white on him is original color or gray hair, he was 10 when we got him

You can have Black & White AKC GSP's, but as of now you can't show them in the show ring. You can do field trials, agility or any thing else, just not the show ring.
UKC now accepts black as an acceptable color in GSP's and you can show them!
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