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wgspr rescue
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wgspr rescue
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| 04/14/2008 9:33 AM |
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I imagine each rescue takes on their own adoptive policies based on experience with their breed, and mistakes made. Personally, I love repeat GSP owners; because they understand what they are getting into, energy and safety wise. WGSPR does not now have a fencing policy, unless it is manditory for a particular dog. While I prefer they ARE in a fenced area, our dogs were bred to hunt. Rather they do or not, is up to the adopter, as well as the baggage that dog may come into rescue with. If they do become hunters, they will need to be trusted off leash. We send all our dogs home with recall training equipment and training info. We make ourselves available on our own time to hold recall training/intro to E-collar sessions for adopters. We make ourselves available to go in and help the adopter with any issue we think can be corrected with information and education on handling that particular dog. Perhaps, if you choose to adopt a rescue dog from an organization, you investigate the organization first? Wouldn't you do it for your kid's day care? Wouldn't you do it on a contractor you hired for your home? I do not condone 24/7 kenneling or tethering of our rescue dogs. That IS in our adoption contract. And I have eyes everywhere watching. If I find any of my dogs is tethered to a tree or something like that, they have now violated a paragraph in my adoption contract, and I will use my best judgement on repossessing that dog. We all know GSPs require exercise, we all know they love being in the field, sniffing around to see what prey they can kick up. So provide them with those activities! We also know our dogs LIKE being with us. Why would anyone deny them that small request? The more you give, the more you shall receive in the end. As you see in almost all of the videos shot by the Dognamic Dual, what you are finding are ignorant folks, with mixed breed, or other dogs at the end of their chains, with all sorts of reasons why the dog lives like that. When I see the faces of the horribly scared, unsocialized dogs on the end of those heavy chains, it reminds me of the Boat Mountain Arkansas dogs we took in two years ago. They were so afraid of people, they wet their drawers if you approached them. YES, there are shorthairs living those same lives all over as well. Don't we owe it to them to give them the best of both lives? I think we do.
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Lisa C. Rossman
WI GSP Rescue, Inc (wgspr.com)
"Until there are none, rescue just one!"
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see'n'spots
north central Florida
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| 04/14/2008 12:36 PM |
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wgspr rescue wrote:
"Perhaps, if you choose to adopt a rescue dog from an organization, you investigate the organization first?"
"As you see in almost all of the videos shot by the Dognamic Dual, what you are finding are ignorant folks"
"When I see the faces of the horribly scared, unsocialized dogs on the end of those heavy chains"
I thought you didn't like hearing what I found via the strategy of "investigate the organization"?
Guess you missed the part about how hard it was to find a GSP available from Rescue anywhere near me. It only made sense at 1st to "investigate" those within range, but I was forced to look much further.
IMO "horribly scared, unsocialized dogs" are all equal no matter if banished to a 'fenced yard' like I found Kal in, or left in crates, cages, pens, garages, cellars, porches, pool enclosures, or tethered using light weight chains, cables, ropes, or the more colorful "heavy chains". Respectfully, its what you branded "ignorant folks" that's to blame for most "horribly scared, unsocialized dogs" not tethering.
The "tethering laws" do virtually nothing about "ignorant folks" & are blind to invisible abusive confinement, but does help "turn away" those "50 good forever homes". The dog adoption biz has cultivated a reputation for making it very difficult to adopt, while at the same time constantly reminding everyone how many unwanted healthy dogs are abused, end up euthanized & deserve good homes. The push to standardize 'fenced yard' private policy & inflict it publicly as "tethering laws" is bad for dogs & dog owners. It primarily benefits the political clout of the pet biz, where every aspect of pet ownership is expected to enhance cash flow. There is a parallel w/the growth of the prison biz, the bigger the problem gets, the more cash that floods in, under the Squeaking Hinge Gets the Oil theory. The price of puppies must compete w/the price of pure bred rescue. Its like speculators manipulating the market, can't let to many unwanted dogs leak out easy or pups won't sell!
IMO instead of promoting a Witch Hunt among existing & potential dog owners, the spot light should be on breeders & retailers. After being summarily rejected by Rescue, told my 58 years with dogs counted for nothing & I that was unfit to own a dog, I did confirm that the only question I needed to answer in order to buy a pup at the mall was "Would you like to put this on a credit card?". The breeders at the flea market will sell you a pup for cash & not even ask your name.
Speaking of which, on the way out of the fleamarket I passed a striking colored Boston terrier & stopped to chat. The young mother had only had this adopted BT a week. She almost got a dog from
Rescue but had trouble, wanting to become a 1st time dog owner, when they demanded a vet reference. Frustrated with that she then learned that b/c she rented, she'd be required to submit a permission slip from her landlord. Annoyed she backed away from a potential adoption. She hadn't realized that her lack of a 'fenced yard' would've eliminated her anyway, having been lead to believe a landlord OK was OK. The bad experience forced her to consider a 'no questions asked' puppy purchase, even knowing house breaking a pup was not a good match & was far more costly than she'd expected. Weeks passed leaving her Between a Rock & a Hard Place & w/o a dog. Her daughter's heart break, after picking out a dog, a constant reminder.
As fate would have it, she stumbled across the same free online classified ads I did to find her dog directly from the original owner, who was reluctantly forced to give the BT up. The perfectly healthy dog was For Sale from a loving home where life's rude surprises meant it could no longer be a "forever home". The owner convinced her to take the BT home on trial to assure it was a good match. The dog was wonderful, the trial confirmed it & when she went back to pay, was given the dog FREE! IMO that is the true meaning of words like 'adoption' & 'passion'.
Reminds me of my views of genuine recreational, family level, fishing-where no fish is ever to be sold. IMO party boats, charters, guides & tournaments are all fish for profit, making them much more akin to exploitive commercial fishing.
"See those faces...heavy chains"? IMO its better to appeal to decency than emotion. I also "see those faces" of people forced to leave beloved pets behind. For abused pets its not the weight of chain that scars them.
"Don't we owe it to them to give them the best of both lives?" Think we've established everyone does not agree on what's "best" in any life. Plainly many would exclude "hunting". The debate is about what is adequate. The "tethering law" zealots think any 'fenced yard' is adequate & its "best" never to adopt to a home w/o. I think its "best" to never exclude "good forever homes". "Don't we owe it to them to" be more realistic, flexible & less rigidly confined to absolutes? In the end I'm pretty sure the GSP is gonna be more flexible than any of us can imagine & we've all seen some fairly miserable dogs suffering the "best" of everything.
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wgspr rescue
Milwaukee, WI
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wgspr rescue
Milwaukee, WI
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| 04/15/2008 8:22 AM |
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see'n'spots, since you have such fabulous ideas, and seem to know everything about everything, why don't YOU become part of the solution, versus quoting, and re-quoting every dangly word we all have to say? If you have a solution for bad rescues, DO SOMETHING; if you have a solution versus tethering laws, BRING EM ON.
Take them to your legislator, get some dirt kicked up. For if we know about this and do nothing, aren't we as much to blame?
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Lisa C. Rossman
WI GSP Rescue, Inc (wgspr.com)
"Until there are none, rescue just one!"
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tucker
WAY NORTHERN MINNESOTA!
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| 04/15/2008 8:36 AM |
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| YEAH LISA, I do everything I can, when I can to help dogs. When we first moved here the neighbors dog had never been in the house, not even when it was 35 below. She said " it can go lay in the straw" [ they have horses] I made her feel so guilty that he now not only gets to come in the house he gets to sleep with the kids,!!! hehe |
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Alice,
Ruger,
Tucker RIP 1995-2009,
& Gunner
'To love a dog that has been discarded by another proves to that dog that love really does exist.' -Christi Cooper
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wgspr rescue
Milwaukee, WI
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| 04/15/2008 8:40 AM |
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| YOU GO ALICE! ONE AT A TIME, UNTIL THERE ARE NONE! |
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Lisa C. Rossman
WI GSP Rescue, Inc (wgspr.com)
"Until there are none, rescue just one!"
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tucker
WAY NORTHERN MINNESOTA!
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| 04/15/2008 8:47 AM |
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Oh & see'n'spots, we got our rescue dog, Tucker from Lisa & no we don't have a fenced yard, 40 acres but no fence. All rescues have there own rules so you shouldn't lump them all together as bad, bad. I personally know that Lisa uses her on money lots of times to save a dog, even spending money on ones she knows might not live long so they at least go with there heads on a soft doggie pillow instead of tied to a tree all alone. We have bills just like everyone, but when ever I can I try to send things to help Lisa with her rescue. Find one you like & help them out, it makes me feel good knowing maybe I helped save a dog from a sad life. If I wasn't married I would probably have more, but the hubby says 3 is enough, LOL
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Alice,
Ruger,
Tucker RIP 1995-2009,
& Gunner
'To love a dog that has been discarded by another proves to that dog that love really does exist.' -Christi Cooper
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wgspr rescue
Milwaukee, WI
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| 04/15/2008 9:02 AM |
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| Thank you Alice, every little bit helps! No one is without merit. Our adopters are our "families"; without them, we'd be nothing. One big bird dog family! |
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Lisa C. Rossman
WI GSP Rescue, Inc (wgspr.com)
"Until there are none, rescue just one!"
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see'n'spots
north central Florida
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| 04/15/2008 12:27 PM |
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wgspr rescue, Condescend all you like, I do know what I know-I did see what I saw. The over zealous, self appointed Wouldbe Samaritans I met conspired to exclude me from continuing to be "part of the solution" by villifying the excellent 'forever home' I offered. In order to "DO SOMETHING" about it, I did an end run & found a GSP to RESCUE myself & am here to tell you about it. As late as this past Sunday & just by chance, I met the deserving young mother w/personally adopted Boston terrier & heard yet another spontaneous tale of how rigid & misguided standardized adoption policy had run amuck. Both the woman forced to give up a beloved pet & the mom who adopted it had issues w/the pet adoption biz. That's entirely new-not "re-quoting every dangly word". Consider my voluntary participation on shorthairs.net yet another way I've been getting "some dirt kicked up".
Locally you can bet that I've shared my "fabulous ideas" w/everyone I met that shares any interest in animal-human relations. Was that bit about 'sooner turn away 50 good forever homes than place 1 dog in a bad situation' supposed to be confirmation of excellence OR condemnation of extremism? I also spoke w/leaders of area County Animal Services & Humane Societies at length, getting an earful on the 'grants' & other sources of cash flow in the adoption biz.
When I was a kid every happy-go-lucky dog anyone had ever seen lived outside, to ripe old age, in the frigid upstate NY winters. All they required was a dog house & some straw. My 1st dog on my own was a 90 lb abandoned B&T Dobbie the landlady warned me about when she gave me directions to view a home I ended up renting for 14 years in CT. The prior tenant, BadBob the Hawiian according to police, had been evicted, fled town owing many & abandoned M-1. On the lamb, BadBob was definitely guilty of dog abuse by tethering, he'd left the Dobbie chained short to a tree, w/o food or water, off the back drive on this 12 acre property adjoining thousands of acres of watershed forest. M-1 quickly got the attention of neighbors, who'd alerted the LL, who feed & watered M-1. Oddly enough, even though he'd been raised in a generous Cyclone fence pen attached to the house, she'd feed him then intentionally left him poorly tied, expecting him to break free, just so he didn't follow when she drove away & hoping he'd disappear.
Excited to see anyone, M-1 practically jumped thru the window of my low sports car, I had a open bag of cookies on the seat, popped some in his mouth, flipped a couple out for him & a bond was made. Even though the standardized lease the LL gave me clearly said NO PETS she said she'd take the Dobbie to the pound, didn't expect me to take it, but said I could & that I didn't need to sign the lease unless it was to my advantage! I took the house & dog. M-1 lived outside in the ~15'X24' Cyclone fence, using an attached shed & straw bed-all day while I worked & all night as I slept. Everytime I tried to overnight him inside he dumped, he didn't try hard to wake me to go out, but was conditioned to go out anyway & begged to go out. A tree fell smashing the shed & taking down some Cyclone fence, so I built M-1 a super insulated raised doghouse & installed a long light weight 'swing' chain ending in 25' of rope that reached from the front door, past the new doghouse, to just inside the Cyclone fence gate. The doghouse was like a Sportsmen's Cooler, heavy plywood inside & out, w/thick foam panel core, thick carpet lined w/multilayer floor, nest of straw, dog shape/sized porthole w/carpet flap for a door that left a 'half moon' open at bottom M-1 enjoyed sticking his nose and/or toes out.
M-1 was in heaven. My steep road deadended at the watershed & 'was' an offshoot of the Appalachian Trail connecting Sleeping Giant SP thru watershed to East Rock Park in New Haven. We walked out the door directly into the woods, my back drive was right across from where the trail entered the forest. He was as content as a pea in a pod to be chained all day, just for a couple of daily walks, his evening hours inside & frequent extended weekend adventures. M-1 had a 'chair' by the front door, whenever he wanted out, he'd hop up in the 'chair' & ask to go. His chain hung just outside, under a small porch. Even in winter he'd ask to go out each night & all I had to do was open the door grab the chain, hook him up & let him out. In the cold he'd piddle & go right in his house. Only when it went below zero did I keep him inside where he learned to dump in the basement & sleep in my chair! I repaired the Cyclone fence & shed, but M-1 plainly preferred the chain, in good weather he'd sleep on the carpet doormat, the raisedbrick/concrete porch became his lookout post & throne. He'd spend a few minutes hunting in the pen, then bark for hours, until I took him out b/c it was at the end of the house. Not sure how old M-1 was (2-4?) when I adopted him, but he was my Dobbie for 12+ years & was the dog that introduced me to heartworm during routine vet care. He howled on command.
From what I read of the DognamicDuo its pretty clear they'd have gleefully condemned M-1's quarters & probably wet their pants if they could sneak a photo to embellish & post online. Extremists like these would also pretty clearly have preferred old M-1 to be forcefully taken away from the only home he'd ever known, jammed into a cage, then manhandled into a crate, removed to an alien "swamped" situation, that would surely bring out his worst behaviors, consider that proof he was abused by tethering, conclude he was not adoptable, reject a person like me who'd have paid to adopt, euthanize him after all their fine paperwork, get a receipt for incinerate his remains, publicize the exaggerated horrors of tethering & try to have me punished.
Some of us are "much" more "to blame" than others.
Found thrown away & malnurished in a small fenced yard, Kal has been w/me for ~10 months & has gone weeks w/o ever being alone, only occasionally left alone for no more than 3-5 hours. The DognamicDuo could take a photo of him tied out right now, attach any horror story you'd like to hear to it & add it to their perverse crusade. The DognamicDuo would have you believe Kal would be far better off back in the fenced yard he'd been banished to, or probably even better, a nice crate placed out of sight in a garage or basement. IMO they suffer some kind of warped LadyBird Johnson Out of Sight/Out of Mind complex. Unable to deal w/reality, their "solution" is, hide it behind a curtain of emotional rhetoric.
If you think "tethering laws" are "the solution" you'd seem to know nothing about anything, a possibility supported by you're silly suggestion I "seem to know everything about everything". The "solution" is flexible appeal to reason & good judgement-not All or Nothing policy & law that even proponents say "would rather turn away 50 good forever homes than place one dog in a bad situation".
Sorry, but I'm sick & tired of zealots telling everyone I'm not fit to own a GSP, even one discarded & misused by 3 former owners, who had fenced yards, on the basis that I did not have a fenced yard. BACK EM OFF.
An acquaintance who's family has kept & hunted GSPs for human generations used to keep his several dogs in what I always thought were small raised coops, far out behind the house, where they got lots of shade from the wood line. The dogs where happy, healthy, playful, obedient, enthusiastic, working dogs-not house pet, companion dogs, or even inside dogs. Let out they'd mob you for affection, circle as tight as you like & go w/you whenever/wherever. He's bit disabled, left hunting to youngers & down to the biggest
GSP I've ever seen. This active friendly senior GSP must be ~90 lb & still uses the same coops. The Black bear (even FL Panthers) are pretty much gone, so being a retired lineman, he rigged a long cable between the huge tree next to his house all the way to the wood line & coops. Put a pulley & chain on it, the GSP enjoys running around & gets food, water & inside time at one end, but still wants to sleep outside at night & a shady patch to dig at the other end. A good life for a dog at a "good forever home". No fenced yard & daily opportunity for the DognamicDuo to snap a pic of this good old GSP, looking tired or sad & tied out on a heavy chain. And your peddling "if we know about this and do nothing" as "a solution"?
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wgspr rescue
Milwaukee, WI
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| 04/15/2008 12:50 PM |
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| So, then my question to you is, WHAT IS THE SOLUTION? |
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Lisa C. Rossman
WI GSP Rescue, Inc (wgspr.com)
"Until there are none, rescue just one!"
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see'n'spots
north central Florida
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| 04/15/2008 12:58 PM |
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tucker wrote: "All rescues have there own rules so you shouldn't lump them all together as bad, bad."
My experience was that some Rescues were indeed flexible, the 1st time I mentioned it someone responded by implying they were "slimeballs". Mostly however, I found Rescues were linked, used standardized applications, warned that they shared information & required fenced lawns & forbid tying out. I have several friends in Rescue, trouble was none in GSP. The local GSP Rescue was a fiasco, but I backed away diplomatically, still hoping to adopt from them, w/o burning any bridges. They just rarely got a dog & never called me back. At this point I don't know if they diplomatically rejected me or were subject to investigation b/c of their unethical practices.
I'd certainly find it easy to believe that a Rescue "swamped" with difficult GSPs that were costing 'out of pocket' might be more inclined to be flexible on the 'fenced yard' requirement I faced, especially while I was waving $300 cash.
The problem is that "tethering law" zealots DO "lump" every "good foreverhome" that doesn't have a 'fenced yard" & has a dog tied out, WITH the worst dogs abusers. |
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wgspr rescue
Milwaukee, WI
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| 04/15/2008 1:27 PM |
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So then, where is the line to be drawn? Or do we just continue to ALLOW it? It pretty much comes down to my second problem: Dogs are considered "Property". And as my property, I can do whatever the hell I want with them? Shouldn't responsibility be a consideration in that "property"? Then we can veer off into; What is responsible ownership of that property? My mother called me from Florida not too long ago, and said "how would you handle this?" It was over a neighbor's dog taking off, and when the dog came back, my mother witnessed the dog getting the piss beat outta him for coming back home! If I were that dog I'd never go back home, if I knew I'd 'get it' by doing so. I told my mother you call animal control and report it, you take pictures, you have witnessed animal abuse. Well, SHE did not want to get involved! WHAT? How could you NOT? I would take that for about 10 seconds, before going over and getting directly in that owners face, with the police on my cell phone, and hopefully animal conrol on it's way. I HAVE done it. If you don't stop the maddness somehow, where will it end? I have chosen to stand up for dogs who cannot stand up for themselves. I chose that mission. I gladly accept it. My father moved us to a farm when I was a teenager. Trust me, we learned all about the hardships of life with animals who pay your bills in his case, dairy cattle. The place came with a collie chained to her dog house, who shortly after had a litter of pups on her chain. Dad found homes for all but two. All were then spayed/neutered. The momma did not make it, cuz Dad thought it would be smart to put her in a shed overnight, cuz of the no food before surgery deal...so doc Palmer called said she's not waking up right, could she have gotten into poison? My dad looked in the shed and sure enough, she did, eat a whole box of rat poison. She never woke up. I remember the day her boy puppy got hit by a car on the highway infront of our house because it was my brother's job to hook the dogs up before we hauled the hay wagon to a field to bail, and Teddy Bear had followed us, and got hit on the road. My father taught my brother a "lesson" by making him go scrape Teddy Bear's carcass off the road and burying him. My brother was just a boy. I think in essense, my father was trying to teach him to be responsible for our animals. Living on a farm was tough love and very hard for me, the girl who always crawled in snow banks to save frozen cats or dogs that seemed abandon. Why was it, I wondered, that our basset hound lived in the house, but the collies were outside, chained to their dog houses? Sure they were allowed inside some times, but mainly theirs was an "outside job". As a kid, you do not question your parents. So is education key here? Where does the line get drawn? |
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Lisa C. Rossman
WI GSP Rescue, Inc (wgspr.com)
"Until there are none, rescue just one!"
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kmoalbany
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| 04/15/2008 2:27 PM |
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I guess I don't really see the problem with a rescue having hard fast rules if they stand by their dogs, always take them back, and do all the vetting. There are a few rescues local to me that will adopt anyone a dog -- but in 1 month, week, year, 10 years if the dog needs to be returned for any reason the group doesn't take them. So those dogs become the burdon of other local rescue groups and shelters. They don't do the leg work on teh front side to ensure it's a good home, they don't offer support to the dogs they place and they don't take them back if for some reason it doesn't work - for me that's as much a part of the problem as it is a solution.
I'm all for a group doing what works for them. Another local group is what I consider insanely strict -- fences are required, no young children, on and on. But they are steadfast in their objective to ensure the dogs they save find forever, loving, homes that meet their criteria. Who am I to judge their criteria? They stand by their dogs for life and have virtually a 0% return because of their policies -- do they place fewer dogs than other more liberal groups? Probably but quantity and quality of placements are both pretty important.
Once you've started in this rescue world, fostering, rehabing and placing dogs you gain a new perspective on placing them. They are part of you and their well being is on your shoulders FOREVER. If that means you put certain requirements that help you as the rescuer sleep at night so be it. Experiences good and bad impact how folks go about placing dogs.
Personally I ran into a lot of road blocks when I was looking to adopt a GSP 3 years ago. Funny as fate would have it I adopted one, then found my niche in life fostering and now I help with needy GSPs in NY and due to some of the roadblocks I faced (the biggest for me was "you've never owned a GSP why do you ever think you want one or can handle one...") I try to be open minded. But that open minded nature doesn't mean I don't have very specific requirements for certain dogs....
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wgspr rescue
Milwaukee, WI
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| 04/15/2008 3:17 PM |
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Plus you just an itty bit crazy too! tehe....thank our Lord for that. Katie, you ROCK SISTAH. |
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Lisa C. Rossman
WI GSP Rescue, Inc (wgspr.com)
"Until there are none, rescue just one!"
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see'n'spots
north central Florida
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| 04/15/2008 4:21 PM |
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I don't agree w/the zealots & politicos on that either. Depending upon who is doing the considering, slaves were no more "Property" than the child 'arranged' brides in the polygamy scandals.
wgspr wrote: "Dogs are considered "Property". Where does the line get drawn?"
People have been beating the crap out of each other since the dawn of time. I don't see it stopping any time soon. "Tethering laws" beat the crap out of me. Accidents happen, lots of them merely momentary lapses of reason, many more resulting from our mechanized way of life. My 1st dog cased cars before the term 'leash law' was ever published. He went after the tires, was going after at tractor's narrow front 'tricycle' wheels & got run over, right in front of me. Could've killed him, he got up & essentially shook it off! Has the "law" stopped dogs from getting run over?
Had a digging GSP nearly electrocute himself after chewing on buried wires he'd exposed, trying to rip them out like roots. Who's fault? The prior owner who buried the wire & didn't uprate to conduit? The stories are endless. Dogs choke on bones loving owners give them. Someone even did a Chevy Chase 'Vacation' around here recently.
Lines beg to be crossed & in this case forces are lined up on both sides, inflicting pain, by apparently turning away lots of good forever homes, but especially on the dogs that fail the test & cross "the line" that brands them not economically adoptable & refiles them into the 'unwanted healthy dogs that are euthanized annually' tally.
I'm on another side of the line & reject the "Property" thesis. IMO as 'sentient beings' they deserve adequate treatment & are exposed to the same risks any one else does. That's why I encourage people to be more personal about adopting pets, especially the growing number of people who find themselves forced to give up dogs. Part of doing right for your pets is making a serious effort to find it a new home, as opposed to dropping it off somewhere & driving away. Our cty shelter used to have 'no questions asked' cages outside the gate so you could just dump your pet in the dead of night. Where I come from "dogs are considered" Part of the Family.
The internet helps link people, who can think for themselves & get their own assurances in an adoption, making everyone feel better. Give it a try, search online classifieds & advertise, make every effort to keep unwanted dogs out of shelters. It may take longer, but you do not need to be limited to Petfinder.com or the often impossible fine print on adopt applications.
One of the more disturbing 'Animal Planet' dog confiscations was from an elderly homeless man who couldn't afford vet bills for his lame old dog. Forget what happened but likely they spent a bundle tending to a dog that either died from treatment or soon there after, w/no chance for adoption & a good chance of being euthanized. My thoughts were that somebody was probably busy planning a 'service' organization to do the same thing for the old man! |
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Ace1cappuccino
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| 04/15/2008 6:19 PM |
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 I was just remembering another bad time I had in regaurds to the Cheb MI Humane Society. They had a gsp male that the owners took in because of a barking problem. They lived in town and I am guessing they didn't give him attention Probably left chained outside or something. Anyways. I called them and I wanted him. I was working 12 hour shifts so I could not seem to catch them during the day while someone was there. I called again and asked if someone would please meet me there so I could adopt him. They said I would just have to try to catch someone there. I figured that they would be happy to have him adopted out. I took the day off work and went to get him but he was gone. They said he was put down. This was back in 97 but I just thought I'd post this. I was really disappointed in them and sent them a very not nice letter. I am NOT saying that all shelters are like that. Especially the rescues. I have seen so much good that they've done especially with some of the dogs from the puppy mills. 
Keep up the good work!
Also I posted that about rescue just taking dogs because it sounded to me that that's what some were doing. I was trying to get a point across that everyone here would have a different opinion on abuse. Some are obvious as far as some of the pics I've seen. No hair, scabs, ribs out, etc.. But also some might think that making them pull dog sleds or weight pulling is bad. Everyone has their own opinion.
That's what I like about this board because everyone sees things from a different perspective. You can learn alot or get ideas. Just don't need all the arguing. We are all here (hopefully) for the gsp, not ourselves. |
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| 04/15/2008 6:21 PM |
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I was just remembering another bad time I had in regaurds to the Cheb MI Humane Society. They had a gsp male that the owners took in because of a barking problem. They lived in town and I am guessing they didn't give him attention Probably left chained outside or something. Anyways. I called them and I wanted him. I was working 12 hour shifts so I could not seem to catch them during the day while someone was there. I called again and asked if someone would please meet me there so I could adopt him. They said I would just have to try to catch someone there. I figured that they would be happy to have him adopted out. I took the day off work and went to get him but he was gone. They said he was put down. This was back in 97 but I just thought I'd post this. I was really disappointed in them and sent them a very not nice letter. I am NOT saying that all shelters are like that. Especially the rescues. I have seen so much good that they've done especially with some of the dogs from the puppy mills.
Keep up the good work!
Also I posted that about rescue just taking dogs because it sounded to me that that's what some were doing. I was trying to get a point across that everyone here would have a different opinion on abuse. Some are obvious as far as some of the pics I've seen. No hair, scabs, ribs out, etc.. But also some might think that making them pull dog sleds or weight pulling is bad. Everyone has their own opinion.
That's what I like about this board because everyone sees things from a different perspective. You can learn alot or get ideas. Just don't need all the arguing. We are all here (hopefully) for the gsp, not ourselves. |
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Deb Orpen
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| 04/15/2008 8:09 PM |
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See'n'spots,
Difficult placements mean that special consideration in rehoming options are in force so that the right match is made, not the reverse. Someone waving 300 bucks at me to overlook issues to make an adoption possible is actually a red flag to any reputable rescue (or responsible breeder, for that matter).
Frankly, I'm not so sure that you're located where you state as you're sounding so reminiscent from this thread's posts and certainly from your statement below of someone further up the seabord. Scary.
Deb Orpen
Posted By see'n'spots on 04/15/2008 12:58 PM
I'd certainly find it easy to believe that a Rescue "swamped" with difficult GSPs that were costing 'out of pocket' might be more inclined to be flexible on the 'fenced yard' requirement I faced, especially while I was waving $300 cash.
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see'n'spots
north central Florida
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| 04/15/2008 11:17 PM |
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If I'm reading this right, you're accusing me of hiding my identity & lying about my location? Now that is "Scary."
Deb Orpen wrote:
"Frankly, I'm not so sure that you're located where you state"
"Someone waving 300 bucks at me to overlook issues"
I would expect you to recognize a 'figure of speech'. In this case "waving" money is figurative, it only means I was ready, willing & able to pay & had confirmed, the advertised $300 price.
There was really just 1 "issue" no "fenced yard". Telling me I was unfit to own a homeless dog "is actually a red flag".
IMO the overly zealous & automatic acceptance of anyone with a "fenced yard" revealed that the people I dealt with wouldn't know a "Difficult placement" from "right match"! Kal had been adopted out by a highly respected shelter & it was a glaring mismatch. I nearly adopted another breed, that rescue didn't need to "overlook" any issue. They had the good sense & flexibility to exercise discretion, along with the desire to put the dog & the forever home that wanted it, ahead of their dubious SOP.
So who do you think I am & where? |
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