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wgspr rescue Milwaukee, WI
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| 04/07/2008 2:26 PM |
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http://www.dogsdeservebetter.org/dognamictour.html
When I tuck my dogs into bed at night, I wonder when the madness will stop?
Well, leave it to Dogs Deserve Better Organization's Tammy Grimes to prove how rampid the issue is, by putting on miles: 12 days, 12 states, finding at least 10 chained up dogs in each state to prove that legislation is needed for tethering laws in all states. A tethered dog is a forgotten dog in most cases, can become dangerous to children by being agressive guarding their area. Check out the first stop on the tour, and just how easy it was to find over 26 dogs in one day all penned or chained outside in one area of one state.
You can call me nuts, but I am a proud rep for Dogs Deserve Better in WI. I cannot tell you how many GSPs my group has saved that were former outdoor, chained up dogs, who carry baggage as a result. Isn't it time we make a stand, and say no more 365/24/7 tethering of dogs?
Check out some of the road trip via links to You Tube within link.
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Lisa C. Rossman WI GSP Rescue, Inc (wgspr.com) "Until there are none, rescue just one!"
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MegC Ellensburg, WA
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| 04/07/2008 4:05 PM |
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As a person in snow country I have an issue with this. It is extremely common in winter for dogs to be loose in our community because snow dumping off roofs into a back yard means the dog can just walk over 6' fences. Needless to say, the results aren't good (ever had to brake for a loose dog running in front of your car while on ice?). If they were tied up when their owners weren't home these dogs wouldn't be getting injured, wouldn't be scattering trash all over, etc. A dog PROPERLY tied has a warm box, shade, and water within reach but nothing to get wound up on, some type of perimeter fence to keep weird people and dogs out, and gets off the chain at least once a day and their area cleaned up. ANY dog should have a chance for human interaction, socializing, and training regardless of their housing situation. Of course proper tethering isn't what we're talking about here. The issue is really neglect, and I've seen some dogs imprisoned in suburban back yards that frankly didn't seem one bit better off than being chained up in the conditions described. I don't expect everyone to agree with me on this one FWIW, but I hope people would at least consider that tying a dog out responsibly may not be the worst option in specific situations. My Anya was on a runner from the porch to the kennel until we could get a more solid fence completed because she kept getting out and her ears would fall off while beating around for quail in brush behind our property. I hardly consider that abusive... but perhaps someday this arrangement will be illegal. I find it ironic since tying her out may have saved her bacon. |
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Megan + Dulcie (Lehmschlog's The Right Spot) + Rogan (Lehmschlog's BR Rogan) + Anya (Lehmschlog's Anya O Conchobar) Intro to harness sport/mushing- start here! |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 04/07/2008 4:08 PM |
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I have a problem with anyone who ties out a dog and leaves it. There are so many things that can happen to the dog it is scary. We saved a GSD once that was tied out (the owner was at work). The dog had gotten tangled and couldn't get to her water, and it was really hot. Of course we knew the dog and she was really happy we helped her out. Later when the owner got home we discussed it with him, and for him it was just his way of trying to keep his dog from escaping. He thought he was protecting his dog, not putting it in harms way. Thankfully, he wised up and didn't do the tethering any more. I do think tethering as a way of keeping a dog does have a tendency to make them more aggressive as well and more defensive of their area. I would always be careful approaching a tethered dog, even one in some distress and they will often lash out.
All that said, I also think there are times when it is ok to tether. I sometimes use a long tether on my youngest when we are at a park or some open area. She is not yet trust worthy off leash and a long tether gives her a bit of freedom that she can't get on a regular leash. Of course, I am there supervising and I make sure she knows she is tethered so she doesn't hit the end of the leash too hard. I also know that hunters and mushers will from time to time tether their dogs.
In Austin we now have a no tether law that I believe is a good law. It includes a clause that does allow for tethering if the owner is with the dog. So, I can still put Halo on her tether as long as I am present. One of the problems we have seen though is more people surrendering their dogs to the shelter because they cannot afford a fence. So, at least initially this type of law may cause an uptick in surrenders. Of course, these same folks probably shouldn' t have gotten a dog to begin with. Anyway, that is my two cents. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
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Bedberg Duluth, MN
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| 04/07/2008 7:48 PM |
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| I do not agree with leaving a dog tied out unattended. There are too many things that could happen and none of them good. Of course this is just my opinion and the great thing about this site is that we can all agree and we can all disagree and we don't hold the disagreements against each other. RIGHT? I live in snow country, which for me is all the more reason my dogs are not outside all day while I'm at work (on or off a tie out). Example of the unknown: Saturday all of the snow had melted and we had enjoyed some beautiful wheather lately even in the 50's one day. Then came the snow, sleet and hail. Some parts got up to 10" overnight. Now if my dogs were out, snow is one thing light and fluffy doesn't hurt, but sleet and hail.................well I won't think of that. I had my SUV into the shop last year after a freak hail storm, glad Tory wasn't left out in that kind of wheather. |
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Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole.
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Codyboy Ohio
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| 04/07/2008 8:27 PM |
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Since, Cody was a dog tied out to a tree in the cold and then the heat of last summer with a plastic dishpan for water that was mostly tipped over and a jerk of an old dad that won't go out and give him water. Wouldn't take him on walks or play ball to burn off his energy and the only thing he could do beside run around a small circle around the tree was BARK and BARK !!! I SO do not agree with leaving a dog tied out unattended. |
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Ace1cappuccino Carp Lake, Michigan
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| 04/07/2008 8:45 PM |
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I put my dogs in the kennels when I have to work. They have super insulated houses and huge water dishes. There is some room to run around also. I do not put them on a chain or anything like that. Whenever any of us are home the dogs are always with us.
I had a man come here last year and wanted to buy a pup. I was talking to him to ensure he knew what a gsp was like. He said he had one that had died and I asked him what happened he said:
My dog kept getting into my neighbors chickens, so to break him of it I put a dead bird attached to his collar. Well, while trying to get the bird off the collar he ended up strangling himself
I told him I would NEVER sell him a dog! I have on occasion used a cable tie out but now have the nice pens for them. |
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Cornell's GSP'S- Mocha cappuccino, Lili Belle Lotte, Sir Leopold Vom Hunter 1, Lil Miss Lotte Doddi, Ace Hunter Twisted Mister(GSP'S)  
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Bedberg Duluth, MN
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| 04/07/2008 8:59 PM |
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Posted By Ace1cappuccino on 04/07/2008 8:45 PM
I put my dogs in the kennels when I have to work. They have super insulated houses and huge water dishes. There is some room to run around also. I do not put them on a chain or anything like that. Whenever any of us are home the dogs are always with us.
I had a man come here last year and wanted to buy a pup. I was talking to him to ensure he knew what a gsp was like. He said he had one that had died and I asked him what happened he said:
My dog kept getting into my neighbors chickens, so to break him of it I put a dead bird attached to his collar. Well, while trying to get the bird off the collar he ended up strangling himself
I told him I would NEVER sell him a dog! I have on occasion used a cable tie out but now have the nice pens for them.
Good for you Ace, just knowing what I've read about you from this site, I have a feeling that your kennels are about as nice as the Ritz and state of the art. I am so stunned about "the man" that I can not think of the approxpriate punishment for that IDIOT!! How SICK! |
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Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole.
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MegC Ellensburg, WA
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| 04/07/2008 9:05 PM |
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Again, it's OK to disagree. I just want folks to think through the ramifications completely before jumping on a bandwagon. I like to think my covered kennels are just about ideal, and I prefer them in every way to tethering. However.... I'd rather have a dog PROPERLY tethered while they're at work than getting hit by a car. The office I work in is on a fairly busy intersection and we were watching dogs go over their back yard fences and cars dodge them in the street all winter (it was a deep and long snow year). I just don't know how else these folks would solve the issue if they can't put up a kennel due to renting or back yard size restrictions or whatever (old coal mining town, some lots are practically microscopic), and they can't get home to get a dog out of a crate or the house at lunch. Or what if the dog is a serious escape artist and they have yet to figure out exactly what will hold the buggar? I know there are some siberian rescue organizations in our area that actually encourage adopting families to consider PROPER tethering, especially in the winter, because like me they've seen what can happen otherwise. From what I've heard (second hand) it sounds like they did a very good job educating people on when and how to do it right, as well as emphasizing that this wasn't a case of booting the dog into 'back yard solitary'. I was surprised and pleased that they'd approached the issue from what seemed to me a very balanced and rational point of view with the dog's best chances for survival foremost. |
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Megan + Dulcie (Lehmschlog's The Right Spot) + Rogan (Lehmschlog's BR Rogan) + Anya (Lehmschlog's Anya O Conchobar) Intro to harness sport/mushing- start here! |
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Ace1cappuccino Carp Lake, Michigan
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| 04/07/2008 9:07 PM |
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Thanks, we are actually building some better ones this summer. Enclosing about 1 acre for them to play in when I am gone too. They are my family too so I treat them as such. That story goes to show that it is a VERY good idea to screen buyers. It was a wake up call too. I was just sick to think of that poor gsp going through that. I told him you can't break a bird dog from birds! DUH! that's what they are! As Bill Engvall says "Here's your sign" eh? |
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Cornell's GSP'S- Mocha cappuccino, Lili Belle Lotte, Sir Leopold Vom Hunter 1, Lil Miss Lotte Doddi, Ace Hunter Twisted Mister(GSP'S)  
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prairiefire Western Wisconsin
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| 04/08/2008 9:23 AM |
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There's no one right solution for every situation. I'm of the opinion that you do whatever you need to do to protect your dog to the best of your ability.
That said, I have pretty much zero tolerance for the people that tether their dogs round the clock, providing little--if any--human interaction. That's just downright neglectful. |
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pattyl
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| 04/08/2008 10:52 AM |
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I will tether my dogs for maybe 1/2 hour at a time when I am home. Usually when I have to vacuum or clean up after them. They have water and like i said, for no longer than 1/2 hour. Gives me time to clean the crates where they sleep in our bedroom.
I don't really feel bad about it. But then again I'm not talking about tethering while I'm at work or gone. I think the longest I have ever tethered them was when I had the carpets cleaned. But I was outside with them most of that time. |
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kmoalbany
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| 04/08/2008 11:25 AM |
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| Meg you make some good points. I guess part of me feels if you're gone that long and have no yard to put a proper run/enclosure in perhaps you shouldn't have a dog vs tying it out all day. I'm currently looking to move and it's stressful. At the moment I can get home daily for lunch, if we move it has to be 1 of 2 things -- close enough for me to get home or the right kind of set up we can have a safe dog area enclosed to a dog door. Sure makes my realtor crazy when our home requirements have virtually NOTHING to do with HUMANS.... |
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MegC Ellensburg, WA
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| 04/08/2008 11:48 AM |
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Posted By kmoalbany on 04/08/2008 11:25 AM
... Sure makes my realtor crazy when our home requirements have virtually NOTHING to do with HUMANS....
I'm SO with you there! When we were looking for a place to buy back in 2001 the realtor mentioned a place: "I don't know how the dogs would like it, but...." I interrupted her with "If the dogs won't like it, don't even bother showing it to me!" As it was we ended up with 3 acres and a dog yard as big as many city lots.  |
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Megan + Dulcie (Lehmschlog's The Right Spot) + Rogan (Lehmschlog's BR Rogan) + Anya (Lehmschlog's Anya O Conchobar) Intro to harness sport/mushing- start here! |
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Pointer Fan Westminster, Colorado
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| 04/08/2008 12:21 PM |
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We have been looking for a 1 story home but most of them are in sub-divisions that do not allow 6 ft. fences. Most only allow picket fences or wood framed fences with wire which allows the dogs to be teased by passers by or kids. Guess I will be climbing stairs at least until Molly departs this earth.
I do think it is inhumane to tether a dog 24/7 as some people do. We had two neighbors (both turned out to be drug dealers) who did that. One had a Dobie and one had a Rotie. Both have been arrested and are gone.
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gsp-fan AZ
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| 04/08/2008 1:03 PM |
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I think it all comes down to what kind of dog owner you are. IMO a responsible dog owner will make sure that a dog that is tethered has food,water,shelter,safe from harm and is well taken care. An irresponsible dog owner doesn't really give a hoot if the dog has enough water, food, safe etc etc. I would much rather see a dog tethered than running amok. To me a loose dog iis more of a danger to myself and my dogs then a tethered one. There alot people who feel that an ecollar is horrible to use on a dog used in the right hands it is a vaulable tool in the wrong hands God help the dog. A little story: My husband, dogs and I travel this great country of ours quite a bit. Our last trip was in alot of the states that the 2 women are doing there tethered search. We were traveling the back roads and saw alot of dogs running loose as we rounded a corner we come upon 2 dogs (hounds) in a yard that were tied up and being attacked by 4 dogs. The tied dogs were helpless, I yell at my husband to stop the motorhome and I go yelling at the attacking dogs who run off (ok I know stupid thing but I couldn't just drive on). The tied dogs were bleeding all over - when this idiot (that is a kind word for him) comes out the house yelling what the beep am I doing. When I explain it to hiim he just tells me if the dogs can't defend themselves oh well. I am was seeing red by then and giving him a piece of my mind. When he tells me to get off his land or he will call the police - I reported him but I doubt it did any good. In this case here was a dog that was tethered by a dog owner that was irresponsible. |
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kmoalbany
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| 04/08/2008 1:25 PM |
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| Oh Meg you're fenced dog yard is a link I have bookmarked! So if we can find the right spot we'll have a good reference for our new fence! |
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see'n'spots north central Florida
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| 04/08/2008 1:44 PM |
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IMO that's on the verge of some pretty whacko extremist stuff that's responsible for an awful lot of dogs being abandoned & destroyed. Rescue & Humane Society organizations lost my strong & long term support by aligning themselves with "tethering law" zealots. When they decided I was unsuited to adopt a dog, they'd saved from a high kill shelter, b/c I didn't have a fenced yard, they created an outspoken critic of their rigid & thoughtless policy.
I've saved 3 GSP's from inhumane neglect in small suburban fenced yards that Rescue & Humane Soc, AND apparently this group, would approve of in knee jerk fashion. By dictating broad, misguided "fenced yard" requirements countless adoptive homes are summarily excluded & countless dogs face needless abandonment.
Admittedly my situation is unusual in that I'm on 17 acres of forest, am semiretired, work at home & I know GSP's have a well deserved reputation for being escape artists. While I have nothing against fenced yards I also know dogs can be safely tied out. Plainly these gross generalizations do not work in every case. My neighbors confine dogs in a small fenced yard that never go out of the enclosure, never go in the house & are left alone all day every day. In stark contrast, my GSP's have enjoyed a mixture: sleeping inside, large amounts of play time inside, large amounts of play time outside, regular forays to run free at a dog park, frequent supervised running free at home, rides w/me most everywhere, AND the ability to stay safely at home alone on a 50' tether. My unique situation was not even considered even w/o draconian "tethering laws"!
IMO the results of "tethering laws" are far too often hypocritical, self defeating, misguided, arrogant, blind & responsible for increasing the number of homeless dogs bound for euthanasia. These zealots systematically condemned my home & long experience w/dogs like this was a 5th rate Communist Dictatorship BUT would've blithely rubber stamped each of the 3 homes I rescued suffering GSP's from. I've been sickened by far too many cases where dogs are regularly imprisoned long hours in crates & confined in tiny fenced yards that satisfy your "tethering laws" & the hectic lifestyles of people who probably don't deserve to own dogs-expecting to use them On Demand, only when it suits them.
In short "tethering laws" make a bad problem even worse. County shelters in my region did not have "fenced yard" requirements. If they did I would have to scratch them off my list of potential places to adopt a deserving dog. If Kal could talk I'm sure he'd tell you the life I gave him is heaven compared to the horrors his 3 previous 'In Compliance' owners tortured him with.
Fences are not a panacea. My last GSP nearly died attempting to escape a regulation Cyclone fence kennel by jamming his head/neck under the sharp wire, then getting stuck & punctured! A dear friend w/her infant daughter were nearly attacked by 2 viscious PB's that defeated a formidable fence, only aggressive action of a passerby with a shovel averted disaster. |
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wgspr rescue Milwaukee, WI
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| 04/08/2008 1:47 PM |
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Arkansas: http://www.dogsdeservebetter.org/dognamictourarkansas.html
Recently a dog chewed his/her own leg off, after it was tangled in clothes line used as tether. The dogs whole leg had to be amputated. Safety is key. How many dogs hang themselves, because of stupidity? If you are just gonna have a dog to have a dog....but just leave them to rot chained to a dog house, why have one? Dogs require human attention, they want to be with us! DDB offers applications to help people at least fence in their yards, so the dogs can at least roam freeier, without the dangers of unattended tethering. Sure, I have stake outs for occasions too. I also have a doggie door, but dogs are not allowed to use it if I'm not there to supervise; because I live in the city of Milwaukee, dog fighters steal dogs for bait, etc... I'm keeping mine safe. Our dog ordinances do not have any tethering laws. As long as dog has adequate shelter/food/water, AND cannot be outside if temps fall below 40 degrees outside, you are good to go! My dogs are my companion friends, I want them in the house with me. Too many dangers waiting to happen with 24/7 tethering IMO.
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Lisa C. Rossman WI GSP Rescue, Inc (wgspr.com) "Until there are none, rescue just one!"
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WildRose Seymour Texas
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| 04/08/2008 2:27 PM |
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The judgementlalism and intellectual leaping that occur on threads like this amaze me.
There's absolutely nothing inherently wrong with tieing a dog out or tethering them.
Most of my dogs are on stake outs most of the time. They have shade, water, shelter, and food. They can exercise themselves at will, and are by anyone's measure very happy and well cared for dogs.
Which dog is better off the one in the situation mine are in, or the one that's left unattended in a home all day or shoved in a box and left to either hold it or sleep in their own urine and feces while the family is at work, school etc for eight or ten hours a day?
Just because someone doesn't have a PROPER stake out set up for their dog doesn't make all staked out dogs neglected or in danger.
It costs around three thousand dollars per run to put in a nice concrete, covered kennel with each run being six by twelve feet. The last kennel I built I did 90% of the work myself and had over 16,000 dollars and four months time invested in. Very few people can afford something like that, even in a commercial boarding/training set up.
Teathering laws would all but outlaw field trials because there's no other way a pro can bring a string of 10-20 dogs and properly care for them while they are on the road or at a trial.
Dogs can be just as neglected and ignored in a kennel, back yard, or staked out. The method of securing them does not define neglect or abuse. How often and how well they are attended and worked defines whether they are neglected or abused, nothing else. CR |
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WildRose Seymour Texas
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| 04/08/2008 2:32 PM |
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| As long as dog has adequate shelter/food/water, AND cannot be outside if temps fall below 40 degrees outside, you are good to go! As long as dog has adequate shelter/food/water, AND cannot be outside if temps fall below 40 degrees outside, you are good to go! I'm sorry but that's idiotic. The ideal working temperatures for an upland dog would be between about 25-50 degrees. If dogs can't legally be out when it's below 40 degrees that would make most upland hunting illegal anywhere north of I-20 and all of it illegal north of I 40! Now keeping a lab or a husky outdoors in Texas or the Southwest during the summer I certainly think could be tantamount to abuse even if they do have shade and water, but you know what dogs adapt to what they are exposed to very well. If this is actually law, anywhere and is enforced it would limit people to being able to own only the number of dogs they can reasonably keep indoors about six months per year in a great portion of this country. CR |
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