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02/20/2013 6:54 PM  

Just took in a 2 yr male GSP who was too much effort for the original owner.  As lost our 1st GSP last year after 10 years we are ready for him.  He is quickly recovering lots of weight as most bones were visible and has a huge appetite.  I have another small 2 yr male poodle mix and they get along fine until they play together outside...if the little dog in the course of playing stops and eyes the GSP, the GSP goes into alert mode, ears lift and he focuses on the small dog as if he were prey...and then he lunges toward with biting intent...and when I pull back on the leash he stays focused and intent.  I worry that when I get to have him off-leash in the fenced in yard that this might turn into an attack.   Any ideas on how I might reinforce the view that I am the pack leader of these two and that this behaviour is not acceptable?

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02/20/2013 7:36 PM  
I would first ask the rescue organization if there were any problems with him on being small animal sharp. If yes, and if he has a history with not getting along with small animals it may be a problem. Otherwise, he needs to know that the smaller dog is part of the pack. I would let them sleep next to each other in crates. Also let them eat next to each other, but don't let them try to get the others food. Also take them walking together. Also show with your behavior that the small dogs is important to you. Pet him, etc in front of your shorthair. I used this same type of conditioning with my male shorthair and my cat and now they will even sleep together. The difference though is I had my male as a puppy and started this conditioning at 8 weeks. It may take allot longer with an adult dog and you may never be able to trust them together unsupervised. Good luck and take it slow. Don't push the relationship.

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02/21/2013 6:47 AM  
Everything that was mentioned is great advice... def check and see if there is any history with small dogs... the other thing is some dogs are leash aggressive and do better off leash, but that is a tricky thing... how are they in the house? Is he on the leash in the house? You can also go for a walk with both of them, someone walk the smaller dog and someone walk him... have them walk side by side and with the little dog in front, don't let him in front...

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02/21/2013 9:58 AM  

 Hi, congrats on your new rescue! He is very lucky to have found a place in your heart and home!

 Let me start by saying, I am a bit new to the GSP breed, and do not have near the experience that Texas Belle, Splat, and many others on this forum have. ( My two GSP's are 17 months old, but I have only had them for about a year, and I am learning every day!)  They have excellent ideas, with tried and true methods, and I would follow them to the letter!   I can only speak from my own experience with an incident between my male GSP and my smaller Aussie/Brittany mix.    My smaller Aussie mix fell victim to "Predatory Drift." in our own backyard.  Kaido was the perputrator with the juvenile delenquent moment. (Disclaimer:  I did not witness how the attack started, I am simply guessing based on the definition of predatory drift, conversations with my breeder,  my male's  usual personality and sweet natured temperament, his usual relationship with my Aussie, his usual state of sumbmissiveness around other dogs, as well as his usual reaction, at the time, to smaller dogs at the dog park on occasion.... (highly unpredictable, focused, locked on, intent, crouching, circling, barking loudly, rolling, bumping and avoiding attempts to be caught.)  Luckily, there was never a bite!   WE NO LONGER FREQUENT THE DOG PARKS! 

In regards to predatory drift,  whatever happens NEVER leave  your poodle alone with your GSP even when you think they are best of friends!   Prior to our incident, Kaido had been in our house for several months.  Kaido and Jamie played together, walked together, ate together, and were not food agressive towards each others' bowls or when treats were being handed out. Kaido would give toys to her, and Jamie would take toys and bones from him with no issues.  (I had to intervene many times and stick up for Kaido!)  They had been on numerous daily walks with each other,  with my Aussie leading the way! They slept and in fact cuddled together.  They had an unwritten understanding, that Jamie was boss, and Kaido  never challenged her role.   I would have NEVER seen this predatory drift coming in a million years. They played chase daily outside, and I had left them alone together, along with my other female GSP (littermate to my male,) many, many times, for hours at a time with NO problems.   However, from what I understand, predatory drift is an unpredictable beast, and can happen between dogs that have been in the same household, and have been best buds for years.  Even when your GSP  understands that your poodle is not prey, if he has a high prey drive, "predatory drift" can occur, and any time, anywhere, and out of nowhere.  It does not mean your GSP  is not sweet, compatible as a pet, or aggressive. It just means he has a high prey drive and cannot be fully trusted around smaller animals.  Having had a dog become victim to this (if this is indeed what ocurred,) I can tell you, I never want my Aussie to go through that again.  Kaido tore her up pretty badly, and it took weeks for her to recover both from a psychological stand point, and physical.    All the  bites were on her back, her haunches, legs and feet.  The bites on her haunches were large and very deep.  Her pad on one of her paws was nearly ripped completely off.    It took weeks for her to heal, both physically and psychologically.   Prior to this incident, Kaido never looked at Jamie as prey, as he did some of the smaller animals at the dog park.  Today, Kaido and Jamie exist as they did before the incident.  They are best of buds.  Kaido, (as well as his owners, ) have gone through more training so that we now have better control over him should this ever occur again.   I have also resolved myself to the fact that Kaido is, and will forever be, a "work in progress," and can NEVER be trusted 100% around smaller animals, or at dog parks.  Still, having said that, he is a very cherished part of our pack, and will forever be loved!  

I hope this helps, good luck, and congrats again. on your new addition!   Read up on Predatory drift, and talk to your rescue's foster to find out if your GSP had ever injured another small animal, or killed a smaller animal....dog or usual prey.  Prior to  this incident with Jamie, Kaido had just made a recent bunny kill at the dog park, and a kitten kill in our backyard, (within 2-3 weeks recent.)

 


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02/24/2013 12:14 PM  

 Thanks for the comments.  I have been leash walking both digs together and no problems.  When I let them both run in the back yard they get along, he is very easy going, but I still see the predatory posture in the background.   Any chance that they are trying to sort out dominance?   Like my previous GSP this one tends to ignore the poodle most if the time...but when runs he hasn't yet figured how to avoid trampling the smaller dog.  Yes he still acts much like a puppy but a 2yr old one.  I plan to get him more exercise but he is fighting off congestion...I guess this becomes a wait and see.  I do know if the GAP  harms the little guy things will get pretty bad around this house

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02/25/2013 4:31 PM  
I don't give mine a chance to sort out the pecking order. I set the order myself. Saves allot of issues as I have 4 shorthairs. With a small dog the thing I worry about is rough play. So I would not let them out together unsupervised for a while. At two your GSP is still a puppy in mind if not in body. Also, the small dog has to figure out how to let the shorthair know when he gets to rough.

Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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