smatulewicz
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| 02/18/2013 2:08 PM |
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| I actually think that this a breed that is prone to sep. anxiety as they are sensitive, loyal, and long to be with their people. Having to try all sorts of things isn't helping (at no fault of your own), as she isn't really able to get used to a routine right now (which is the best medicine for sep. anxiety IMO). As mentioned before, your family's stress right now is weighing on her too probably making her anxiety even worse. Best thing is to stick with something and don't give in so she can learn it is the way it is and come to rely on it. Right now she relies on relief from crying. Her accidents she cannot control if they are due to anxiety or a medical issue. |
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Splat
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| 02/18/2013 4:40 PM |
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I have been leaning towards seperation anxiety... which being in the cage makes worst... my friends dog has seperation anxiety and in the cage she is a mess... my friend can leave her loose in the house and she does fine...
If u r gonna continue to use the cage u need to only let her out of it when she is quiet... barkinf whining u need to grin and bare it... because u have been inconsistant on this u might need to go a month of listening to her cry... she has learned u give in...when she gets worried and stressed u cave and save her even though she doesnt need saving...
I have already mentioned ways to get past the anxiety in the cage... u need to i |
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Splat
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| 02/18/2013 4:44 PM |
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U need to use the cage even when u r home so she doesnt associate u leaving with the cage or going to bed with the cage... every day she needs to go in for about 10 minutes to start while u do chores or just relax in the same room... slowly build up the time and also build up how far out of view u can go...
Also when u do put her in the cage dont put her in right as u leave put her in a few minutes before while u r still getting ready to leave... also when ucome home do not let her out right away... do not put her in and talk baby talk ie. Do not say "be a good girl" keep the house safe" ect just leave... dont greet her when u come home either... |
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gadawgsfan
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| 02/20/2013 1:42 PM |
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ok, took willow to the vet. they have done a culture that will take a few days,but will call me tomorrow to let me know the results of the other test. so i am still not sure if there is something wrong medically.they did start her on antibiotic for safe measure. vet seems to think it could be a combnation. as most of you have said,infection,behavior issues and possibly not enough exersise.
Also recommended i take the crate out of the bedroom to try and see if she still wakes up crying.
so just an update but still no definate answers yet |
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smatulewicz
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| 02/20/2013 2:07 PM |
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If you move the crate yet again, remeber to give it quite some time for her to get used to that. The move in and of itself could create more anxiety and may make the waking up and crying worse. I never had Bella's crate in our room because I knew that wasn't where it would stay and she did fine in her crate at night. The first week or so of getting used it, I would beat her to waking up, then I would lay on the couch or stay in the hallway knowing she would wine after going back in from the potty outing. I would tell her "huuuuush" calmly, but unable to be seen by her. It might take twice, but it settled her much faster and I never physically responded to whining.
I dont know your routine, but if your pup is crated all day she needs a pretty good outlet to expell that energy. Like I mentioned before, that was an age where Bella even started to demand more activity as what we used to get away with was no longer sufficient. I was just thinking the other day about how of I didn't live in a place that had so many off lead opportunities I am not sure Bella would be as calm as she
Is. She calm indoors, but she runs and plays like a mad woman off lead, up and down hills, through heavy snow, in the water...etc. If I had to leash walk her I
Sure she would get used to it, but it would take much more to get her to the same calmness. A tired GSP crashes as hard as it plays IMO.
I really think you need to find a routine and stick with it. Stick with for quite some time before changing things up. I may sound like I'm coming down on you and I don't mean to be, just rooting for you and wanting to help as much as possible. |
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Texas Belle
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| 02/20/2013 2:16 PM |
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| I agree, every time you change the routine it has potential to add stress. I would set the routine like you want it to be and stay with it. I would also wait to change anything until you get the test results. If the tests come back positive then fix that before you change anything. I can almost guarantee she will whine and cry more if you move the crate out of your room at this point. In any case work on one thing at a time . |
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gadawgsfan
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| 02/20/2013 3:25 PM |
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I agree with the comments, I am not going to change anything until the test results are back. It's funny, the vet said she grew up with GSP's, though she is very knowledgable about the breed, you would think she knew that change would create more issues.
As of now everything is staying the same.
Thank you all for the advice and support so far |
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Splat
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| 02/21/2013 6:39 AM |
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I think it is pretty standard and not just GSP related but any change would stress any dog... of course every dog regardless of breed is different some handle stress like it is nothing and others can't deal with it...
Like mentioned above don't change anything even where the humans sleep and plenty of evening activity... not just physical but mental too... use the cage when at home and set up a routine...
Very curious about the vet results... |
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gadawgsfan
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| 02/21/2013 4:56 PM |
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Got a call from the vet and she said that everything looked ok, but still wanted to continue the antibiotic until the culture results are back in a few days.
The only thing she said was one of her levels were a little off and that one indicated she may need a little more water, saying that her urine was a little more concentrated than she would like to see. Hopefully the culture comes back negative and I will take all the blame for the sleepless nights, due to me being un educated about how to properly train and help her. I will give an update on culture when I hear something |
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Splat
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| 02/22/2013 6:09 AM |
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| Dont beat yourself up over it... relax, take a deep breath and start fresh! |
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smatulewicz
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| 02/22/2013 7:11 AM |
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| Was gonna say the same. Don't beat yourself up, you are doing righ by her simply by trying, inquiring, and sticking with it. |
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Mareezee
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| 02/22/2013 12:13 PM |
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smatulewicz is right...there are people who wouldn't have stuck with her through all this. It would have been back to the breeder, or in some cases straight to the shelter, just for making noise or destroying things. But on a lighter note...I don't know if i have missed any, but we would love to see pictures of Willow  |
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gadawgsfan
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| 02/25/2013 11:54 AM |
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ok, just heard from the vet, no growth in the culture. good news she is fine and has no infection, bad news is i guess anxiety.
her crate has been in our bedroom for a couple weeks.
i always lay in the bed and watch tv before i go to sleep,we have no problems with her going to the crate, she does that on command, she just will not sleep all night and she pees in there if you dont get up and let her out.
i know she can hold it all night because she did before all this started.
last thursday she went to sleep in the living room with my daughter,i found pee on the floor when i got up for work,when she got up from the floor to lay with her i guess she peed.
i have also put her in there at different intervals while at home with her, for different lengths of time and she does fine. its only at night or during the day while we are at work and school she pees.
im not sure what is worse the lack of sleep or washing every day.
im going to go back thru this thread and read the tips everyone has given and start over and see what works. |
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Splat
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| 02/25/2013 1:01 PM |
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Very tricky to deal with anxiety... and it does take awhile... you may want to look over theses links:
http://www.natural-dog-health-remedies.com/dog-incontinence-remedies.html
Plaintain: Plaintain is widely used for various urinary ailments. It has anti-inflammatory effects on mucuous membranes.
Kreosotum: (would just google this to see where you can get it, probably amazon)
If you suspect that your dog's leaky problem is due to stress or emotional problems, try this remedy. |
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smatulewicz
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| 02/25/2013 1:38 PM |
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Couple of thoughts: one that I don't think has mentioned but is worth mentioning come to think of it...just to make sure. This sounds silly, but are you sure what you are finding is urine? I forgot to mention this before, but I used to think Bella had soiled her kennel but it never smelt like urine. I also couldn't see signs that she had been chewing for the material to be wet. Well she wasnt...she was sleeping, but these are soft mouthed dogs and turns out they can drool extensively in their sleep. She doesn't do it much out of crate...do I'm wondering of the excessive drool even when sleeping was due to anxiety, or did she just grow out of it? Something to consider of you're willing to get your nose in there. Urine will also have a yellow tint (usually) where the drool will smell not much like anything and be clear If you blot with a paper towel.
My other thought is she is the age she is and while she knows she can go outside to potty...she may have missed grasping that she MUST go outside. Especially due the accidents. And yes, she may have come to terms with dealing with laying in it (which the desire not to is what helps prevents accidents). You may need to go back to square one with potty training in which (at the risk of being a broken record here) the best training took is first beating them to needing to go out to prevent accidents, rewarding heavily for going outside, and then learning their signs of they are not yet obvious to get her outside before she gives up. |
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Splat
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| 02/25/2013 4:00 PM |
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| As far as whether it is potty or not... well when i first took my friends dog to work on her anxiety... the first time i put her in the cage and came back i thought she pottied... but watching the video she had drooled or slobbered that much! |
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gadawgsfan
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| 02/25/2013 4:16 PM |
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thank you splat, I will be checking those links out.
I wish it was just drool, but it is definately pee it smells our whole bedroom up and her as well and it is yellow when I clean her crate pan EVERY SINGLE DAY...LOL
She never has an accident in the house she always goes to the door,until the other night when she slept in the living room with my daughter.
one of the problems also, when we let her out during the night she will not go back to sleep, so lets say i beat her to the punch and start getting up again like we did when she was a little puppy to let her out then she will not go back to sleep and then whine and bark until we get up,but I am willing to try it.Im thinking doggie ambien...lol
ok I guess I am on to reading these links.
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Texas Belle
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smatulewicz
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| 02/25/2013 7:26 PM |
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| Darn, it was worth a shot. I was hoping it would be a silly suggestion but maybe an epiphany LOL |
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Splat
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| 02/26/2013 5:32 AM |
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| when you get up at night and take her up... do you turn on any lights? my rule and this was also what I did when my human children were babies and needed feedings is do not turn on lights, it is night time and it stays dark... the great thing now is with cell phones you can tap the screen and get some light... and make sure you aren't talking to her just let her out make sure she goes and then right back to bed.... |
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