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03/18/2010 4:18 PM  
I often get enquiries for pups for people who want to hunt with them, not all GSP though.  What they call hunting may well just be the occassional weekend jaunt.  Trouble is the enquiries don't come all together.  And sure we need working lines from good dogs to keep the gene pool flowing and to counteract all the wonderful
hunting pups being sold without papers, or x bred to improve them, on TradeMe.
 Marg
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: [working-gundog] Silent again?

Really?  I find it hard to find good working homes for puppies.  I don't think I'm the only breeder with this issue.  I mean more than just opening, closing and perhaps a social weekend weekend hunting. 

Rose Gilbert wrote:

Hi Sonia>>

Wow – as Marg said there is definitely a need for some good working stock – even though I don’t have a GSP now it would be interesting to meet them>>

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Rose>>

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-----Original Message-----
From: Sonia Skinner

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They are called Catherine and Tony Sellin and I imagine they were taking their dogs with them.  They were very involved with GSP’s in this country.

They moved to NZ on 16th of this month, I am going to email then tonight.  They are on Facebook.

Sonia


On 17/3/10 18:56, "Margaret Cotton" wrote:
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Who is that Sonia?
Did they bring dogs with them?
We really need some good new working stock down here.

Marg>>


----- Original Message -----
 
From:  Sonia Skinner  
 
To: working-gundog@web.whc.net
 
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 2:25  AM
 
Subject: Re: [working-gundog] Silent  again?
 


Hi Marg and Rose,

The breeder of my GSP has  just moved to Christchurch NZ from Scotland.  Hope you will meet up  sometime.

Sonia

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06/20/2010 10:10 PM  
I don't have time to read much now - summer might happen any day now and I don't want to miss it , but you "southerner's" suffering "winter" might... Here's a list of links to articles I recently stumbled upon about stuff we've found interesting here in the past. Jere http://discovermagazine.com/2007/mar/raw-data-scents-and-scents-ability/ http://discovermagazine.com/2007/mar/raw-data-scents-and-scents-ability/article_print http://discovermagazine.com/2010/may/17-the-brain-first-yardstick-for-measuring-smells/ http://discovermagazine.com/2010/may/17-the-brain-first-yardstick-for-measuring-smells/article_print Book review: "What the Nose Knows" http://discovermagazine.com/2008/jul/14-what-are-smells-made-of/article_print Peter G. Hepper and Deborah L. Wells How Many Footsteps Do Dogs Need to Determine the Direction of an Odour Trail? Chem Senses, May 2005; 30: 291 - 298. http://chemse.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/30/4/291?maxtoshow=&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=footsteps&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT Peter G. Hepper and Deborah L. Wells Perinatal Olfactory Learning in the Domestic Dog Chem Senses, March 2006; 31: 207 - 212. http://chemse.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/31/3/207?maxtoshow=&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=footsteps&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT Brent A. Craven, Eric G. Paterson, and Gary S. Settles The fluid dynamics of canine olfaction: unique nasal airflow patterns as an explanation of macrosmia J. R. Soc. Interface June 6, 2010 7:933-943; published online before print December 9, 2009, doi:10.1098/rsif.2009.0490 http://rsif.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/7/47/933.full.pdf
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06/21/2010 4:33 PM  
I liked the paper on Trail direction, very interesting. I will be laying blood tracks this summer.




-----Original Message-----
From: Jere Murray
To: working-gundog@web.whc.net
Sent: Sun, Jun 20, 2010 6:53 pm
Subject: Re: [working-gundog] Silent again?

I don't have time to read much now - summer might happen any day now and I don't
want to miss it , but you "southerner's" suffering "winter" might...

Here's a list of links to articles I recently stumbled upon about stuff we've 
found
interesting here in the past.

Jere

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/mar/raw-data-scents-and-scents-ability/
http://discovermagazine.com/2007/mar/raw-data-scents-and-scents-ability/article_print


http://discovermagazine.com/2010/may/17-the-brain-first-yardstick-for-measuring-smells/
http://discovermagazine.com/2010/may/17-the-brain-first-yardstick-for-measuring-smells/article_print

Book review: "What the Nose Knows"
http://discovermagazine.com/2008/jul/14-what-are-smells-made-of/article_print

Peter G. Hepper and Deborah L. Wells
How Many Footsteps Do Dogs Need to Determine the Direction of an Odour Trail?
Chem Senses, May 2005; 30: 291 - 298.
http://chemse.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/30/4/291?maxtoshow=&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=footsteps&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT

Peter G. Hepper and Deborah L. Wells
Perinatal Olfactory Learning in the Domestic Dog
Chem Senses, March 2006; 31: 207 - 212.
http://chemse.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/31/3/207?maxtoshow=&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=footsteps&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT

Brent A. Craven, Eric G. Paterson, and Gary S. Settles
The fluid dynamics of canine olfaction: unique nasal airflow patterns as an
explanation of macrosmia
J. R. Soc. Interface June 6, 2010 7:933-943; published online before print 
December
9, 2009, doi:10.1098/rsif.2009.0490
http://rsif.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/7/47/933.full.pdf
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MH
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06/22/2010 12:15 AM  
The last one: http://chemse.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/30/4/291?maxtoshow=&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=footsteps&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT

is particularly interesting for us since it contains a question, but not an answer, about how dogs determine the direction of air scent. As you may remember Cj had experimented with this issue and we discussed it. My suggestion was based on the evaporation of the moist on the dogs nose depending of the direction of the air flow over the nose. The air flow would disturb the micro-climate on the nose and the direction of the flow would allow different parts of the nose to cool more due to an increased evaporation that took place when the steam pressure was lowered where the air flow was strongest, that is in the direction of the wind and hence the scent source.
 
Cj: s experiment by covering the dogs nose with petroleum jelly and hence hampering the dog to find the direction of the scent source reinforces my theory but no-one seems to have confirmed, or even tried to confirm this by true empirical experiments. However Cj also mentioned that there are around 600 - 800 nerves connected to the muzzle of a dog, while we humans can count them in tens or something like that.
 
Our recent setter puppy Larka did not, interestingly, use her nose for tracking or trailing until recently. It must have been around a month ago that she started seriously to find us in the terrain by combining ground and wind scent and she will be 6 months old in a few days.
 
I think that this has to do with nerve stability. The dogs first priority to communicate with the environment are the yes, the second is the ears and the nose comes in the third place. Larka is mentally a very "small" dog and it took some maturing for her to be able to jump into the third way of communicating with the clues to find us, after she had lost us in forest (we use to hide now and then to train the puppy to keep the track of us and not vice versa) and got nervous.
 
Our late, and mentally very strong, Foxy started to find us by tracking already at an age of 8 - 10 weeks.
 
I made some months ago, as soon as the snow had melted away, some blood tracks for Larka but stopped training her since I saw that she was not using her nose in a ..."matured" way. I plan to continue the training now, perhaps already this week.
 
Otherwise Larka is a very different puppy compared to the unfortunate Sunnie. Or actually is more of a normal English setter than Sunnie was. Sunnie was the exception.....
 
Torsti
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