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rospigan
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| 02/07/2009 12:23 AM |
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Last night I got a message from Cj's son James telling the sad
news that Clement "Cj" Walton passed away last Monday.
Reading it paralysed me with tears in my eyes behind the
computer for a long while.
It is needless to say how significant he and his knowledge
about dogs has been to us on this list. Hence there is no doubt that I will
write something about him and his important part in the creation and maintenance
of this long-lasting gundog discussion list, for our website. I'll do it
"when I feel that the time is right", maybe tomorrow, maybe later this
spring.
To Maud and me there is now only an elderly woman in Sweden
who has the same combination of knowledge and humble attitude to dogs that
Cj had. When she passes away all the "old-timers" in dog knowledge that we know
of have gone.
We got a rescue Irish setter bitch yesterday. It is from pure
working lines and one year old. Its owners, with a long life together with
working birddogs behind them, became too old to train it for the
field. If this bitch fits into our house we will keep it. The best way for
us to honour Cj is to train the bitch in his spirit!
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel www.rospigan.net "If you pick up a
starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the
principal difference between a dog and a man. Mark Twain"
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rgilby
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| 02/07/2009 1:12 AM |
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That is such sad news. My heartfelt
sympathies to his family and those who knew him
Rose
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From:
working-gundog-request@web.whc.net [mailto:working-gundog-request@web.whc.net] On Behalf Of Maud & Torsti
Sent: Saturday,
7 February 2009 8:10 p.m.
To: working-gundog@web.whc.net
Subject: [working-gundog] Sad news
about Cj
Last night I got a
message from Cj's son James telling the sad news that Clement "Cj"
Walton passed away last Monday.
Reading it paralysed me
with tears in my eyes behind the computer for a long while.
It is needless to say how
significant he and his knowledge about dogs has been to us on this list. Hence
there is no doubt that I will write something about him and his important part
in the creation and maintenance of this long-lasting gundog discussion
list, for our website. I'll do it "when I feel that the time is
right", maybe tomorrow, maybe later this spring.
To Maud and me there is
now only an elderly woman in Sweden who has the same combination
of knowledge and humble attitude to dogs that Cj had. When she passes away
all the "old-timers" in dog knowledge that we know of have gone.
We got a rescue Irish
setter bitch yesterday. It is from pure working lines and one year old. Its
owners, with a long life together with working birddogs behind them,
became too old to train it for the field. If this bitch fits into our
house we will keep it. The best way for us to honour Cj is to train the
bitch in his spirit!
Borta Med Vindens Kennel
www.rospigan.net
"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous,
he will not bite you; that is the principal difference
between a dog and a man. Mark Twain"
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mcotton
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| 02/07/2009 1:38 AM |
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Cj gone. That is just too sad.
He was a fountain of knowledge, had a wry sense of
humour and above all a real love for his hunting, fishing and
gundogs.
Very sadly missed :-(
Marg
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 8:09
PM
Subject: [working-gundog] Sad news about
Cj
Last night I got a message from Cj's son James telling the
sad news that Clement "Cj" Walton passed away last Monday.
Reading it paralysed me with tears in my eyes behind the
computer for a long while.
It is needless to say how significant he and his knowledge
about dogs has been to us on this list. Hence there is no doubt that I will
write something about him and his important part in the creation and
maintenance of this long-lasting gundog discussion list, for our
website. I'll do it "when I feel that the time is right", maybe tomorrow,
maybe later this spring.
To Maud and me there is now only an elderly woman in Sweden
who has the same combination of knowledge and humble attitude to dogs
that Cj had. When she passes away all the "old-timers" in dog knowledge that
we know of have gone.
We got a rescue Irish setter bitch yesterday. It is from
pure working lines and one year old. Its owners, with a long life
together with working birddogs behind them, became too old to
train it for the field. If this bitch fits into our house we will keep it. The
best way for us to honour Cj is to train the bitch in his
spirit!
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel www.rospigan.net "If you pick up a
starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the
principal difference between a dog and a man. Mark Twain"
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soniaskinner1
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| 02/07/2009 3:15 AM |
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Re: [working-gundog] Sad news about Cj
Torsti,
It was such a shock to read of Cj’s death and like you I feel a light has gone out. Do you know what caused his death? His dogs will miss him sorely.
I have kept a lot of Cj’s written words, he has left valuable knowledge which will make the lives of so many dogs and handlers enriched. But nothing can replace him and his death is so sad, there is such a void without him.
I do hope you keep the Irish setter bitch and bring her up in his memory. Are you going to call her Cj!
Sonia
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wharton
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| 02/07/2009 5:56 AM |
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Tortsi
I was very sad to
read of the death of CJ. He was a true dog lover & sportsman
I have always
looked forward to reading his posts & have kept many for reference
I will miss the
information he was prepared to share to fellow dog owners
Basic common sense
My condolences to
his family
Margarita
Last night I got a message from Cj's son James telling the sad news
that Clement "Cj" Walton passed away last Monday.
Reading it paralysed me with tears in my eyes behind the computer for a
long while.
It is needless to say how significant he and his knowledge about dogs
has been to us on this list. Hence there is no doubt that I will write
something about him and his important part in the creation and maintenance of
this long-lasting gundog discussion list, for our website. I'll do it
"when I feel that the time is right", maybe tomorrow, maybe later
this spring.
To Maud and me there is now only an elderly woman in Sweden who has the same combination
of knowledge and humble attitude to dogs that Cj had. When she passes away
all the "old-timers" in dog knowledge that we know of have gone.
We got a rescue Irish setter bitch yesterday. It is from pure working
lines and one year old. Its owners, with a long life together with
working birddogs behind them, became too old to train it for the
field. If this bitch fits into our house we will keep it. The best way for us to
honour Cj is to train the bitch in his spirit!
Borta Med Vindens Kennel
www.rospigan.net
"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous,
he will not bite you; that is the principal difference
between a dog and a man. Mark Twain"
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craig
JH
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| 02/07/2009 8:11 AM |
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Very, very sad.
CJ was one-of-a -kind. I probably learned more from him about dogs than I did from anyone else..and I never even met him in person.
Waidmannsdank, CJ for sharing your unique insights with us all.
On 7-Feb-09, at 1:09 AM, Maud & Torsti wrote: Last night I got a message from Cj's son James telling the sad news that Clement "Cj" Walton passed away last Monday. Reading it paralysed me with tears in my eyes behind the computer for a long while. It is needless to say how significant he and his knowledge about dogs has been to us on this list. Hence there is no doubt that I will write something about him and his important part in the creation and maintenance of this long-lasting gundog discussion list, for our website. I'll do it "when I feel that the time is right", maybe tomorrow, maybe later this spring. To Maud and me there is now only an elderly woman in Sweden who has the same combination of knowledge and humble attitude to dogs that Cj had. When she passes away all the "old-timers" in dog knowledge that we know of have gone. We got a rescue Irish setter bitch yesterday. It is from pure working lines and one year old. Its owners, with a long life together with working birddogs behind them, became too old to train it for the field. If this bitch fits into our house we will keep it. The best way for us to honour Cj is to train the bitch in his spirit! Torsti Borta Med Vindens Kennel www.rospigan.net "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the principal difference between a dog and a man. Mark Twain"
www.craigkoshykphoto.ca www.chiendog.blogspot.com
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sdsgraham
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| 02/07/2009 1:42 PM |
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How sad.
I did get the opportunity to meet CJ face-to-face several years ago when he and his wife came to Oregon to pick up their daughter who had been studying in graduate school in Portland.
He was every bit as entertaining and pleasant as his writings. We muyst have spent 4-5 hours talking.
I can't find an obit via Internet search. If anybody has any more information, I'd appreciate the information.
--
Steve Graham
North Plains, Oregon USA
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Don Nicol
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| 02/07/2009 2:12 PM |
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What a shock;that a person so familiar , so important, his wisdom always there to share, for so many years -is now gone, and now I realise I know little about him. My condolences to his family,
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mcotton
MH
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| 02/07/2009 2:28 PM |
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This was I believe Cj's
last post to WGD list, at least the last one I have and I've saved most of his
back to 2005. I just wonder if he was telling us something in his last
sentence?
The last chapter of an enthralling book has come to
an end. What are we going to read now?
:-(
:-(
Marg
There are many
interactions between people and dogs that I don't understand. How does a
dog 'know' that we are in a good mood or when we are happy? I'm well aware
of a number of cues that signal to a dog that a human is upset or angry but I've
missed some (but not all) of the signals signifying happiness to dogs. I
have studied many instances of canine misinterpretation of human behaviors since
they shed light on how dogs come to correctly understand human body language and
auditory signals. Some of this is training related learning (not training
itself) but much is simply absorbed from social contact but
precisely how is speculative at
best. I am certain that much of what
dogs "understand" about human
behavior isn't learned but is quite probably
innate, I am equally
certain that some of what humans "understand" about
dogs is also innate but it's enormously difficult to separate innate stuff from
learned stuff. Correlating age distributed behaviors of dogs with age
distributed behaviors of humans takes a lot of time and plenty of
notebooks to document. I don't think I have enough time to come to any
solid overall conclusions in this area.
Cj
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mcotton
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| 02/07/2009 2:28 PM |
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At 02/07/2009
2:12 PM a message was posted to a thread you were tracking.
RE:
[working-gundog] Sad news about Cj by Don Nicol
What a shock;that a person so familiar , so important, his wisdom
always there to share, for so many years -is now gone, and now I realise I know
little about him. My condolences to his family,
Don
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rospigan
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| 02/08/2009 2:09 AM |
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Craig wrote:
"CJ was one-of-a -kind"
And I say:Yes, that is the word I have been looking for to
describe him!
Maud and me bought our first computer in around november
1995. In the late winter or spring next year we were connected to the internet,
we found a big gundog discussion list moderated by a certain Mr. B... (that
every one disliked) and soon some similar minded fellows created what was
to be the embryo to this discussion list. And they invited me to join. Thank you
Cj and others!
I will not disclose any more details from the early days, I
will save them for Cj's memorial webpage that I will start writing soon. It
will be like writing our late Foxy's memorial page, with tears in my eyes.
However I can disclose that I must put the context about Cj to just this list
and the creation of it since that is the only way I knew Cj.
Marg wrote:
>>This was I believe
Cj's last post to WGD list, at least the last one I have and I've saved most of
his back to 2005. I just wonder if he was telling us something in his last
sentence?>>>
I was when I read that also thinking that he felt that the
final curtain was close. Now, if somebody has saved something that Cj wrote and
that text is in a "free" context that even those who did not follow the
discussion can understand, please feel free to mail it to me via this list or
directly. I will publish some of his "better" mails....most of them were
excellent....but how I make the selection I do not know yet. I have saved a lot
of his mails but since the begining was 1996 and hence many harddrives ago I
have lost a lot and then many of his mails are printed on paper that is an
excellent way to save something but difficult to share electronically. BTW I am
a seaman and most of what he wrote when I have been working has passed
me.
It seems like we are going to keep her. She compleatly normal
considering that she is an IS and hence lack a brain. She is cute anyway and her
pedigree tells that she is from good working lines that have collected a decent
share of field trial awards in Scandinavia. In addition she has already pointed
the scent of a woodcock - that was a moment earlier flushed by Briz - hence
proofing that this for a birddog important piece also is in place.
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel www.rospigan.net "If you pick up a
starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the
principal difference between a dog and a man. Mark Twain"
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soniaskinner1
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| 02/08/2009 9:36 AM |
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Re: [working-gundog] Sad news about Cj
Torsti,
I feel there is an emptiness in the word where Cj used to be and feel so sad. I look forward to reading your memorial webpage. Unfortunately all the things I kept re Cj are printed out, I had some stuff from way back, probably from the days when Mr B ran the gun dog discussion.
You new Irish Setter has a very kind eye and I took to her immediately.
It is snowing heavily here and on Monday I slipped on ice and snow and broke my wrist!
Sonia
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tc
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| 02/08/2009 10:31 AM |
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How very sad. Cj was one of the original participants of
this list. He always had interesting posts, that made you
"think" about the process.
We will miss you Cj.
tc
Terry and Janet Chandler
Rugerheim Kennels
German Shorthaired Pointers
Training/Puppies/Stud
Service
Las Cruces, NM
575-382-5231
Last night I got a message from Cj's son James telling the sad
news that Clement "Cj" Walton passed away last Monday.
Reading it paralysed me with tears in my eyes behind the
computer for a long while.
It is needless to say how significant he and his knowledge
about dogs has been to us on this list. Hence there is no doubt that I will
write something about him and his important part in the creation and maintenance
of this long-lasting gundog discussion list, for our website. I'll do it
"when I feel that the time is right", maybe tomorrow, maybe later this
spring.
To Maud and me there is now only an elderly woman in Sweden
who has the same combination of knowledge and humble attitude to dogs that
Cj had. When she passes away all the "old-timers" in dog knowledge that we know
of have gone.
We got a rescue Irish setter bitch yesterday. It is from pure
working lines and one year old. Its owners, with a long life together with
working birddogs behind them, became too old to train it for the
field. If this bitch fits into our house we will keep it. The best way for
us to honour Cj is to train the bitch in his spirit!
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel www.rospigan.net "If you pick up a
starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the
principal difference between a dog and a man. Mark Twain"
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rospigan
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| 02/08/2009 11:23 AM |
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Re: [working-gundog] Sad news about Cj
>>>I feel there is an emptiness in the word
where Cj used to be and feel so sad. I look forward to reading your
memorial webpage. Unfortunately all the things I kept re Cj are printed
out, I had some stuff from way back, probably from the days when Mr B ran the
gun dog discussion.
You new Irish Setter has a very kind eye and I took
to her immediately.
It is snowing heavily here and on Monday I slipped on
ice and snow and broke my wrist! Sonia>>>>
Sorry about your wrist, we too have very slippery
conditions here for the moment and around our house we have to be very careful.
Dogs on 4 legs and claws do better.
The new setter "Steela", as she is called, is a bit
hard-headed and self-willed and that is completely OK, you should not look a
given horse in the mouth - as we say. If you go to her webpage and click on
"stamtavla" that means pedigree, you will find that there is some American
blood in her from dogs that are imported from USA and the "US" kennel in Norway
(Maud has made some misspelling here and there on the pedigree but it does not
change the facts). That blood is known to give headstrong dogs that Cj possibly
would have called "self-hunters".
She has been house trained and functions very well indoors
but outside the house she understands nothing. Today I had an inevitable battle
with her since she could not be trained outdoors simply because she neglected me
completely. It was the same treatment I had to give to the other young IS bitch,
with similar blood, that visited us last autumn. The reaction from both
dogs was very similar - now Steela follows me everywhere. So now I can start
training her, now that she pays attention to me. I do not know for sure what
Maud has done to the dog yet, now she is on a work - cruise on the cruise liner
I worked on last year. We have been talking more about Cj than the new
dog....
Writing about Cj will be a bit difficult since per
definition I did not know him at all. A friend of mine died some 10 years ago
and I was asked to write something for the local newspaper. It was very easy
since I knew him so well, having fished and hunted with him for 30 years. In a
way I knew Cj very well and I could have an idea how he was in other situations
away from the keyboard but it can not be anything else but a
guess.
I have been thinking about how to do it and I have come to the
conclusion that I must weave him into another story, namely a story, as far as
my memory can help me, about the origin of this list. He was there from the
beginning and he has all the time been more or less the core of this list so it
is pretty natural to do it that way. Of course such a story can only be fully
understood by the list members or perhaps long time members of other similar
lists who knows the way this kind of discussion lists kind of live a life of
their own.
The knowledge that has been shared on this list during the years is
enormous and has been possible only due to the tolerance and courtesy we have
showed each other. Cj showed the way with his correct messages written with
great patience and total honesty.
In Sweden this type of a working gundog discussion list is totally
impossible to keep going in a civilized way. Sooner or later, most often
sooner, it ends up in social competition between the participants and the dogs
are totally forgotten or only used as weapons in the fight. The shortest life of
such a list was a few days. Somebody started a discussion list for working
English setters and immediately hell broke loose. The list was closed in less
than a week.
There is one list here that is still working but there are a lot of those
clicker and tit-bit folks on it. You need a good nerve stability to discuss on
that list but whatever, it has in fact lived for a number of years and there is
often some good stuff to read also.
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel
www.rospigan.net
"If you pick up a
starving dog and make him prosperous,
he will not bite you; that is the
principal difference
between a dog and a man. Mark Twain"
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jmurr
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| This news hit me like an axe between the shoulder blades.
Bill, Stu and I tried for several recent years to get Clem to return to the upper
mid-west to chase pheasants, compare dogs, share lies, jokes etc.; but to no avail.
From our increasingly rare email exchanges and his posts to the several forums we
both ventured to I supected all might not be as well as we'd hope with him.
I WILL miss him - he challenged and led me to discover so much knowlege about dogs!
RIP my friend. May there always be good dogs and enough hard flying grouse where
ever you go from here.
Jere
PS:
I have about 5900 emails here from him - both personal and to several email listservs.
The archives for Gundog-L (now defunct?) are at
http://groups.google.com.sb/group/rec.hunting.dogs/about
They can be searched and could be mined for Cj's posts but this would be a rather
tedious venture.
Here's a bit of humor he posted there which folks might enjoy:
I thought it would help if we put together some
definitions to help us discuss our dogs:
This is my short list,, questions or additions?
Cj
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Game Hog: Anyone who shoots better than you do.
Blink: (hunting) What a dog does when it avoids birds
Blink: (retriever trials) Something that losers do
Blink: (NSTRA trials) The length of time that a dog is steady.
Sporting Clays: golf played with a shotgun.
Meat Dog: a singularly unpleasant animal that finds more birds than your dog.
Independence and Drive: your dog's search.
Running Out of Control: his dog's search.
Field Trial: an event in which the dogs are all above average.
Hunt Test: an event in which field trialers are taught to carry a gun.
Hunting: a pastime that attracts below average sportsmen and their below average
dogs.
Champion: any dog with a stud fee above $1000
Dual Champion: any dog with a stud fee above $2000
Under Control: when your batteries are new.
Uncontrolled: when your batteries are dead.
Grouse: a bird shot while flying.
Partridge: a bird shot while walking across the road or sitting in a tree.
Line: a theoretical path which your dog has never taken.
Back: (retrievers) a ritual in which you scream at your dog to get it to go away.
Back: (pointing dogs) A ritual in which you scream at your dog to get it to stand
behind another dog.
Back: (show ring) The place where you scratch the judge.
Planted Bird: a device used to destroy hunting dogs.
Bitch: (hunting dogs) a female dog.
Bitch: (field trials) conversation among losers.
Bitch: (show ring) a name for the judge.
Sporting: (field trials) shooting a man in the back only when he's rising.
Unsporting (field trials) shooting a man in the back when he's down.
Sportsman: an excuse for missing birds.
Steady: (NSTRA) a hammered handler who can still stand up.
Steady: (NAVHDA) a hammered dog that doesn't dare to lie down.
Steady: (Retrievers) a dog that is deaf and blind at the line.
Ass: (field trials) anyone who expects a dog to retrieve as well as point.
Ass: (retriever trials) anyone who wears the wrong shooting jacket.
Ass: (hunting) what you go to town for on Sundays.
Ass: (show ring) where you kiss the judge.
Poisoned Bird: (retriever trials) any bird that screws up your dog.
Poisoned Bird: (field trials) a cure for hard mouth.
Poisoned Bird (hunting) anything cooked and served at a hunting camp.
Cj
> Last night I got a message from Cj's son James telling the sad news that Clement
> "Cj" Walton passed away last Monday.
> Reading it paralysed me with tears in my eyes behind the computer for a long while.
>
> It is needless to say how significant he and his knowledge about dogs has been to
> us on this list. Hence there is no doubt that I will write something about him and
> his important part in the creation and maintenance of this long-lasting gundog
> discussion list, for our website. I'll do it "when I feel that the time is right",
> maybe tomorrow, maybe later this spring.
>
> To Maud and me there is now only an elderly woman in Sweden who has the same
> combination of knowledge and humble attitude to dogs that Cj had. When she passes
> away all the "old-timers" in dog knowledge that we know of have gone.
>
> We got a rescue Irish setter bitch yesterday. It is from pure working lines and one
> year old. Its owners, with a long life together with working birddogs behind them,
> became too old to train it for the field. If this bitch fits into our house we will
> keep it. The best way for us to honour Cj is to train the bitch in his spirit!
>
> Torsti
> Borta Med Vindens Kennel
> www.rospigan.net
> "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous,
> he will not bite you; that is the principal difference
> between a dog and a man. Mark Twain"
>
>
>
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rospigan
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Thanks for the stuff Jere!
I thought that I will start the work when I can do it without
tears in my eyes but since that may never happen I will start tonight. First I
will go out with the new untrained setter and do what Cj would have done: Give
it a fair opportunity to learn to read me and give myself a fair
opportunity to learn to read it!
BTW, do you remember the story Cj told about what happened an
early mornig one rainy autumn? It was something like this: As usual every
morning his 7 or so dogs were dancing at the door to get out and have a pee.
Without any suspicion he opened the door and too late he saw that there were a
flock of wild turkeys grazing on the muddy lawn. His pack of dogs attacked the
birds and 7 turkeys took of in 9 different directiones. There was a mudhole
somewhere and one dog dived into it unable to brake on the muddy ground. A
squirrel happend to cross the sliding dogs path and ended up riding on the top
of the chockwave the dog created in the mudhole. Cj tried to save at least some
of the situation by trying to catch some dogs before they all were covered with
mud. The result of his rescue efforts was that he also became as dirty as the
dogs got. His wife came out on the porch, looked at the sad pack in silence for
a moment and then turning back to the door she said "Nobody comes inside in that
state" and locked the door from the inside. Cj had to hose the dogs and himself
down in cold water that frosty and misty autumn morning before being let into
the warmth.
I might have the story on some of our 5 - 6 harddrives. I hope
I can find it.
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel www.rospigan.net "If you pick up a
starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the
principal difference between a dog and a man. Mark Twain"
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:04
AM
Subject: Re: [working-gundog] Sad news
about Cj
This news hit me like an axe between the shoulder
blades.
Bill, Stu and I tried for several recent years to get Clem to
return to the upper
mid-west to chase pheasants, compare dogs, share lies,
jokes etc.; but to no avail.
From our increasingly rare email
exchanges and his posts to the several forums we
both ventured to I
supected all might not be as well as we'd hope with him.
I WILL miss
him - he challenged and led me to discover so much knowlege about
dogs!
RIP my friend. May there always be good dogs and enough hard
flying grouse where
ever you go from here.
Jere
PS:
I have
about 5900 emails here from him - both personal and to several email
listservs.
The archives for Gundog-L (now defunct?) are at
http://groups.google.com.sb/group/rec.hunting.dogs/about
They
can be searched and could be mined for Cj's posts but this would be a
rather
tedious venture.
Here's a bit of humor he posted there which
folks might enjoy:
I thought it would help if we put
together some
definitions to help us discuss our dogs:
This is my short list,, questions or
additions?
Cj
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Game Hog: Anyone who
shoots better than you do.
Blink: (hunting) What a dog does when it
avoids birds
Blink: (retriever trials) Something that losers
do
Blink: (NSTRA trials) The length of time that a dog is
steady.
Sporting Clays: golf played with a shotgun.
Meat
Dog: a singularly unpleasant animal that finds more birds than your
dog.
Independence and Drive: your dog's search.
Running
Out of Control: his dog's search.
Field Trial: an event in which the
dogs are all above average.
Hunt Test: an event in which field
trialers are taught to carry a gun.
Hunting: a pastime that attracts
below average sportsmen and their below average
dogs.
Champion:
any dog with a stud fee above $1000
Dual Champion: any dog with a
stud fee above $2000
Under Control: when your batteries are
new.
Uncontrolled: when your batteries are dead.
Grouse: a
bird shot while flying.
Partridge: a bird shot while walking across
the road or sitting in a tree.
Line: a theoretical path which your
dog has never taken.
Back: (retrievers) a ritual in which you scream
at your dog to get it to go away.
Back: (pointing dogs) A ritual in
which you scream at your dog to get it to stand
behind another
dog.
Back: (show ring) The place where you scratch the
judge.
Planted Bird: a device used to destroy hunting
dogs.
Bitch: (hunting dogs) a female dog.
Bitch: (field
trials) conversation among losers.
Bitch: (show ring) a name for the
judge.
Sporting: (field trials) shooting a man in the back only when
he's rising.
Unsporting (field trials) shooting a man in the back
when he's down.
Sportsman: an excuse for missing birds.
Steady: (NSTRA) a hammered handler who can still stand up.
Steady:
(NAVHDA) a hammered dog that doesn't dare to lie down.
Steady:
(Retrievers) a dog that is deaf and blind at the line.
Ass: (field
trials) anyone who expects a dog to retrieve as well as point.
Ass:
(retriever trials) anyone who wears the wrong shooting jacket.
Ass:
(hunting) what you go to town for on Sundays.
Ass: (show ring) where
you kiss the judge.
Poisoned Bird: (retriever trials) any bird that
screws up your dog.
Poisoned Bird: (field trials) a cure for hard
mouth.
Poisoned Bird (hunting) anything cooked and served at a
hunting camp.
Cj
> Last night I got a message from Cj's
son James telling the sad news that Clement
> "Cj" Walton passed away
last Monday.
> Reading it paralysed me with tears in my eyes behind the
computer for a long while.
>
> It is needless to say how
significant he and his knowledge about dogs has been to
> us on this
list. Hence there is no doubt that I will write something about him
and
> his important part in the creation and maintenance of this
long-lasting gundog
> discussion list, for our website. I'll do it "when
I feel that the time is right",
> maybe tomorrow, maybe later this
spring.
>
> To Maud and me there is now only an elderly woman in
Sweden who has the same
> combination of knowledge and humble attitude
to dogs that Cj had. When she passes
> away all the "old-timers" in dog
knowledge that we know of have gone.
>
> We got a rescue Irish
setter bitch yesterday. It is from pure working lines and one
> year
old. Its owners, with a long life together with working birddogs behind
them,
> became too old to train it for the field. If this bitch fits
into our house we will
> keep it. The best way for us to honour Cj is to
train the bitch in his spirit!
>
> Torsti
> Borta Med
Vindens Kennel
> www.rospigan.net
> "If you pick up a
starving dog and make him prosperous,
> he will not bite you; that is
the principal difference
> between a dog and a man. Mark
Twain"
>
>
>
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My condolences to CJ's family. He will be sorely missed.
Torsti it's up to the living to continue to grow learn and pass on what ever information we have gathered in our lifetimes. That is how knowledge is not forgotten. It needs to be passsed on and remembered.
So you need to keep on writing.
ted
From: rospigan@brevet.nu
To: working-gundog@web.whc.net
Subject: [working-gundog] Sad news about Cj
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 08:09:57 +0100
Last night I got a message from Cj's son James telling the sad news that Clement "Cj" Walton passed away last Monday.
Reading it paralysed me with tears in my eyes behind the computer for a long while.
It is needless to say how significant he and his knowledge about dogs has been to us on this list. Hence there is no doubt that I will write something about him and his important part in the creation and maintenance of this long-lasting gundog discussion list, for our website. I'll do it "when I feel that the time is right", maybe tomorrow, maybe later this spring.
To Maud and me there is now only an elderly woman in Sweden who has the same combination of knowledge and humble attitude to dogs that Cj had. When she passes away all the "old-timers" in dog knowledge that we know of have gone.
We got a rescue Irish setter bitch yesterday. It is from pure working lines and one year old. Its owners, with a long life together with working birddogs behind them, became too old to train it for the field. If this bitch fits into our house we will keep it. The best way for us to honour Cj is to train the bitch in his spirit!
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel www.rospigan.net "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the principal difference between a dog and a man. Mark Twain"
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I would like to add my condolences to CJ's family & friends.
I have so enjoyed reading and learning from him and all of
you ..may it long continue
Donna
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rospigan
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>>>My condolences to CJ's family. He will
be sorely missed.
Torsti it's up to the living to continue to grow learn and
pass on what ever information we have gathered in our lifetimes.
That is how knowledge is not forgotten. It needs to be passsed on and
remembered.
So you need to keep on writing. ted>>
I have been reading through old mails and one thing that I
had paid any notice to earlier is his suggestion about the co-evolution of man
and dog together, already in 2002. It is about the same thing that we put on our
website as "Mans best friend" in Torstis corner last November.
This was also the subject in his last post to the list,
November 13, 2008 :
>I am equally certain that some of what humans
"understand" about dogs is also innate
but it's enormously difficult to
separate innate stuff from learned
stuff. Correlating age distributed
behaviours of dogs with age
distributed behaviours of humans takes a lot of
time and plenty of
notebooks to document. I don't think I have enough
time to come to any
solid overall conclusions in this
area.
Cj<
In 2002 he said about the same subject that "it
is a terrible mistake that scientists have not studied this possibility" so I
guess if someone want to continue in his tracks, this would be the point to
continue from.
When I studied the material from Cj that I have saved
I noticed that I have only saved the most scientific stuff that I have
considered to be more of less unique. Hence I could use one or two examples of
his humorous sides. His dry humour was rather rare also so I regret now that I
did not save it too.
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel
www.rospigan.net
"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous,
he
will not bite you; that is the principal difference
between a dog and a man.
Mark Twain"
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Cj touched our lives in a good way Torsti. He opened
a lot of our eyes about relationships between people and their dogs and
taught us how to understand what our dogs were showing us in their body
stance and behaviour. He will be sorely missed.
Ed Bailey is writing a memorial piece for Cj in the VHDF
newsletter.
If I can get a copy I will ask if I can post it
here.
Marg
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