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mcotton
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The Fish & Game sell about 44 thousand
gamebird hunting licenses each year at about $100 each. Say 1/4 of
them are weekend licenses thats still 30 thousand.
NZ Kennel Club has 7000 members and it
had double that 20 years ago.
Looks like more people involved in hunting
doesn't it.
Got any stats for overseas?
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robclayau
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| 01/11/2008 5:46 AM |
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I'd dig up the stats for Oz.
NZ stats indicate that approx 1 out of every 100 people (1%) of the
entire NZ population buys a gamebird hunting license. Unfortunately
hunting participation rates in Oz are much lower.
Cheers,
Rob
Margaret Cotton wrote:
The Fish & Game sell about 44 thousand gamebird hunting
licenses each year at about $100 each. Say 1/4 of them are weekend
licenses thats still 30 thousand.
NZ Kennel Club has 7000 members and it had double that 20
years ago.
Looks like more people involved in hunting doesn't it.
Got any stats for overseas?
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rospigan
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| 01/11/2008 10:40 AM |
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Swedens population is 9 million humanoids and
perhaps 1 million dogs and among them some 200000 - 300000 pay the "general"
hunting license fee. Thats what you need to hunt anything on any private
or state owned land unless the owner of the land wants something more. For state
owned land you propably also have to pay a certain fee per day, week or year,
depending of if you are a guest in the area or live there. Then there are
special regulations and fee's for moose, bear and lynx, but
also on small game hunting on what we call "bare mountain terrain".
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel
"Ask not what your dog
can do for you.
Ask what you can do for your dog."
www.rospigan.net
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:14
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Subject: [working-gundog] NZ stats
The Fish & Game sell about 44 thousand
gamebird hunting licenses each year at about $100 each. Say 1/4 of
them are weekend licenses thats still 30 thousand.
NZ Kennel Club has 7000 members and it
had double that 20 years ago.
Looks like more people involved in
hunting doesn't it.
Got any stats for overseas?
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mcotton
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Posts:87
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| 01/11/2008 12:26 PM |
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So what is the membership of the Swedish Kennel
club Torsti?
I just thought figures might put dog interests into
perspective.
It's a shame about Australia. You'd really
need the figures prior to the closing of gamebird hunting in many States.
Also Aust has had a 10 year drought - is it 10 years Rob?
Marg
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 6:28
AM
Subject: Re: [working-gundog] NZ
stats
Swedens population is 9 million humanoids and
perhaps 1 million dogs and among them some 200000 - 300000 pay the "general"
hunting license fee. Thats what you need to hunt anything on any private
or state owned land unless the owner of the land wants something more. For
state owned land you propably also have to pay a certain fee per day, week or
year, depending of if you are a guest in the area or live there. Then there
are special regulations and fee's for moose, bear and
lynx, but also on small game hunting on what we call
"bare mountain terrain".
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel
"Ask not what your
dog can do for you.
Ask what you can do for your dog."
www.rospigan.net
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:14
AM
Subject: [working-gundog] NZ
stats
The Fish & Game sell about 44 thousand
gamebird hunting licenses each year at about $100 each. Say 1/4 of
them are weekend licenses thats still 30 thousand.
NZ Kennel Club has 7000 members and
it had double that 20 years ago.
Looks like more people involved in
hunting doesn't it.
Got any stats
for overseas?
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robclayau
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| 01/12/2008 4:31 AM |
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Stats for Australia.
- Human Population 21,000,000
- Dogs Registered with ANKC (Aust. National Kennel Club) 35,000 (2006).
Interestingly this figure is down from 55,000 in 1995. That's a decline
of over a third during the past decade.
- Bird hunting licenses, can't find exact national figures, but it is
in the region of 20,000-25,000
NB
There are many who hunt foxes, rabbits, hares, etc. These are
classified as vermin and require no hunting license.
Many dogs are used to assist with the hunting of foxes, rabbits, hares,
pigs and kangaroos, the vast majority of these dogs are not "purebred"
and are not registered.
Aust has had below average rain for about a decade now, but that
doesn't mean no rain. There have been massive floods along much of the
Oz East Coast in the past two years, with waterfowl flocking to these
areas to breed etc. Conditions in most areas are better now than they
were at this time last year. Overall rainfall has been more erratic
(global warming?) and as I said, less than the long term average.
Cheers,
Rob
Margaret Cotton wrote:
So what is the membership of the Swedish Kennel club Torsti?
I just thought figures might put dog interests into
perspective.
It's a shame about Australia. You'd really need the figures
prior to the closing of gamebird hunting in many States. Also Aust has
had a 10 year drought - is it 10 years Rob?
Marg
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: [working-gundog] NZ stats
Swedens population is 9 million humanoids and perhaps 1
million dogs and among them some 200000 - 300000 pay the "general"
hunting license fee. Thats what you need to hunt anything on any
private or state owned land unless the owner of the land wants
something more. For state owned land you propably also have to pay a
certain fee per day, week or year, depending of if you are a guest in
the area or live there. Then there are special regulations and fee's
for moose, bear and lynx, but also on small game hunting on what we
call "bare mountain terrain".
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel
"Ask not what your dog can do for you.
Ask what you can do for your dog."
www.rospigan.net
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:14 AM
Subject: [working-gundog] NZ stats
The Fish & Game sell about 44 thousand gamebird
hunting licenses each year at about $100 each. Say 1/4 of them are
weekend licenses thats still 30 thousand.
NZ Kennel Club has 7000 members and it had double that
20 years ago.
Looks like more people involved in hunting doesn't it.
Got any stats for overseas?
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rospigan
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| 01/12/2008 5:21 AM |
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>>>So what is the membership of the
Swedish Kennel club Torsti?
I just thought figures might put dog interests into
perspective.
It's a shame about Australia. You'd really
need the figures prior to the closing of gamebird hunting in many States.
Also Aust has had a 10 year drought - is it 10 years Rob?
Marg>>>
The Swedish kennelclub www.skk.se (partly in English also) has
around 300 000 members. I believe the number of registered dogs is around 800
000 and the there are some that are not registered. 1 million dogs could be a
lie - but I can for sure say that we have at least 800000 dogs. Then
we have a lot of horses, there is an ever increasing interest for them and
architects are now taking them into consideration when building societies. What
else? 2 million guns are registered, sports shooting is popular and the hunters
most often have 2 or more guns each. www.sportskytte.se (the airgun cup only is
in English) This website is maintained by a friend to us, Arne Forsberg. He
lived a number of years in Australia and became the Australian skeet shooting
champion. Then he injured a leg and had to move back to Sweden. He now works
full time for the Swedish sportshooters association.
In figures everything looks very nice but each one
of us have one or two things to worry about. Personally I see the EU as
the biggest problem. Basically they are the cause of all evil. Then the ever
increasing number of big predators means an ever decreasing number of moose and
different deer and other game animals in many parts of the country. A lesser
number of game animals means a lesser number of active hunters and in the
prolongation it is a threat as huge as the EU.
To this we can ad the environmental deterioration
by industry and modern agriculture and you have a picture that could make
a man eating crocodile to cry!
Oh! I forgot the greenhouse effect. We should have
at least 2 feet of snow and -10 centigrade now and what do we have? Rain, low
clouds sweeping the tops of the trees and +3 centigrade!
No use crying though. Even if it rains you
can always shoot clay and make up a fire out of dry branches that you
always can find under the old spruce tree, and fry some sausages for you and the
dogs. We will go and do it as soon as the clouds clear enough so that we can
find the car on the lawn.
For those of you living in Alaska - Canada or other
similar place up north: Shoot a whitewinged scooter. Without delay pick the
feathers from it. Make up a fire and burn and with a knife scrape of the fine
"undercoat". Open the belly and remove the intestines. Rub the bird with a lot
of seasalt. Fry - smoke the bird over the fire burning juniper and alder if
possible. When ready but still a bit bloody (rare to medium done) cut it up into
handy pieces with your hunting knife and spice with more salt and eat using you
knife and fingers only. Do not separate away the yellow fat. It is when fresh
and done this way, delicious! You are now experiencing a delight that is totally
unknown for the very major part of the humanity!
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel "Ask not what your dog can do for you. Ask
what you can do for your dog." www.rospigan.net |
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robclayau
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| 01/12/2008 12:54 PM |
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Correction - HUMAN members in the ANKC have declined from 55,000 (1995)
to their current level of 35,000. The number of dogs registered is with
the ANKC is 62,000 (2006), down from 96,000 (1986).
Rob Clay wrote:
Stats for Australia.
- Human Population 21,000,000
- Dogs Registered with ANKC (Aust. National Kennel Club) 35,000 (2006).
Interestingly this figure is down from 55,000 in 1995. That's a decline
of over a third during the past decade.
- Bird hunting licenses, can't find exact national figures, but it is
in the region of 20,000-25,000
NB
There are many who hunt foxes, rabbits, hares, etc. These are
classified as vermin and require no hunting license.
Many dogs are used to assist with the hunting of foxes, rabbits, hares,
pigs and kangaroos, the vast majority of these dogs are not "purebred"
and are not registered.
Aust has had below average rain for about a decade now, but that
doesn't mean no rain. There have been massive floods along much of the
Oz East Coast in the past two years, with waterfowl flocking to these
areas to breed etc. Conditions in most areas are better now than they
were at this time last year. Overall rainfall has been more erratic
(global warming?) and as I said, less than the long term average.
Cheers,
Rob
Margaret Cotton wrote:
So what is the membership of the Swedish Kennel club Torsti?
I just thought figures might put dog interests into
perspective.
It's a shame about Australia. You'd really need the figures
prior to the closing of gamebird hunting in many States. Also Aust has
had a 10 year drought - is it 10 years Rob?
Marg
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: [working-gundog] NZ stats
Swedens population is 9 million humanoids and perhaps 1
million dogs and among them some 200000 - 300000 pay the "general"
hunting license fee. Thats what you need to hunt anything on any
private or state owned land unless the owner of the land wants
something more. For state owned land you propably also have to pay a
certain fee per day, week or year, depending of if you are a guest in
the area or live there. Then there are special regulations and fee's
for moose, bear and lynx, but also on small game hunting on what we
call "bare mountain terrain".
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel
"Ask not what your dog can do for you.
Ask what you can do for your dog."
www.rospigan.net
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:14 AM
Subject: [working-gundog] NZ stats
The Fish & Game sell about 44 thousand gamebird
hunting licenses each year at about $100 each. Say 1/4 of them are
weekend licenses thats still 30 thousand.
NZ Kennel Club has 7000 members and it had double
that
20 years ago.
Looks like more people involved in hunting doesn't
it.
Got any stats for overseas?
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jmurr
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| 01/12/2008 7:45 PM |
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| Near 60 degrees north in the end of the Kenai Peninsula, Alaska we
have about two meters of snow fallen since the ground was last bare on
December 18, 2007. The overnight low temperature night before last
was -15C but it has warmed since to around -9 C.
Season is closed on scoters now. maybe next year.
Jere
----- Original Message -----
From: "Maud & Torsti"
To:
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:10 AM
Subject: Re: [working-gundog] NZ stats
...
Oh! I forgot the greenhouse effect. We should have at least 2 feet of
snow and -10 centigrade now and what do we have? Rain, low clouds
sweeping the tops of the trees and +3 centigrade!
...
Torsti
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rospigan
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| 01/13/2008 11:29 AM |
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>>>Near 60 degrees north in the end of the Kenai Peninsula,
Alaska we
have about two meters of snow fallen since the ground was last bare
on
December 18, 2007. The overnight low temperature night before
last
was -15C but it has warmed since to around -9 C.
Season is closed
on scoters now. maybe next
year.
Jere>>
We live at 60 north but the last time I saw two
meters of snow was maybe 5 - 6 years ago in northern Norway at 70N. I
looked at the Kenai Peninsula in Google Earth. Do you live somewhere near the
Homer airport?
The position of our house is 60.04.47.29N
18.46.04.75E but the resolution is poor over our area.
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel "Ask not what your dog can do for you. Ask
what you can do for your dog." www.rospigan.net |
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jmurr
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| 01/13/2008 3:31 PM |
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| Hi Torsti,
We live near the point of land about 1 km NW of the center of this photo:
http://www.terraserver-usa.com/image.aspx?w=1&T=1&Lat=59.448&Lon=-151.7037
zoom out three levels and the Homer Airport will also be visible about 25 km ~NNE
of that point of land.
Google Earth isn't useable here on dialup, You may be able to locate the house on
the terraserver picture but it is not one of the six or so which are obvious. It
is more hidden in the trees with great no disturbance of "nature" around it.
Last winter here was extraordinarily cold, I'm told. I'm wondering whether the
melting of the polar ice cap has resulted in fresh water flow into the N Pacific
through the Berring Sea and this has slowed the Japanese current.
10 more cm of snow overnight.
Historical weather for the local airport can be found at:
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/PASO/2008/1/22/MonthlyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA
Airport codes for airports worldwide which can be used at wunderground.com can be
found at:
http://www.rap.ucar.edu/weather/surface/stations.txt
UPPSALA (SWE-AFB) ESCM may be the closest to you but the history data is missing,,
Stockholm/Arland is available at:
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/ESSA/2008/1/13/MonthlyHistory.html
Fun for the feeble minded and snowbound.
We still get out for two or more walks with the dogs every day. A friend saw some
ptarmigan (probably lagopus lagopus but maybe mutus) the other day. The dogs have
much dificulty hunting in snow as deep as we have now. they need snowshoes of
skis.
Jere
>>>>Near 60 degrees north in the end of the Kenai Peninsula, Alaska we
> have about two meters of snow fallen since the ground was last bare on
> December 18, 2007. The overnight low temperature night before last
> was -15C but it has warmed since to around -9 C.
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> Season is closed on scoters now. maybe next year.
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> Jere>>
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> We live at 60 north but the last time I saw two meters of snow was maybe 5 - 6
> years ago in northern Norway at 70N. I looked at the Kenai Peninsula in Google
> Earth. Do you live somewhere near the Homer airport?
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> The position of our house is 60.04.47.29N 18.46.04.75E but the resolution is poor
> over our area.
>
> Torsti
> Borta Med Vindens Kennel
> "Ask not what your dog can do for you.
> Ask what you can do for your dog."
> www.rospigan.net
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tc
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| 01/14/2008 10:59 AM |
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>>Near 60 degrees north in the end of the Kenai Peninsula, Alaska we have
about two meters of snow fallen since the ground was last bare on December
18, 2007. The overnight low temperature night before last was -15C but it
has warmed since to around -9 C.
Season is closed on scoters now. maybe next year.
Jere<<
Hello Jere,
I feel for ya man! Weather here is great, except for a little wind. Highs
have been 55s to 65s F. Bird numbers
are up from last year. Some areas numbers are way up. Went out on Thursday
and found all three species,
Mearns, gambels, and scalies. Put up a total of 12 covies. Bought a new
quad, Polaris Ranger. Hunting a lot out of it. We drive until we see birds,
then get out and work dogs. I put a four hole dog box on the back of
it.Better for my old legs. Life is wonderful!!!
tc
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jmurr
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| 01/14/2008 2:33 PM |
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| Hi Terry,
Actually its no real hardship. I get out with the dogs everyday at least twice so
the ticker is getting the appropriate workout. My legs may be in as good shape as
they have ever been in so I'm not getting any "quad" anytime soon. I'm getting
lot's of work done towards completion of this house building project which should
have been done long ago. I had six weeks of daily hunting in August through October
so it's not like I didn't hunt at all this winter. etc. etc. We never planned to
stay in "Lower America" past Christmas this winter anyway, so not going at all
didn't make much difference. Some stuff has happened with the kids which Sandy's
presence has made easier so I guess it's good we're here.
I understand there have been some good winter rains in parts of the desert this
year. Perhaps birds will be up even more next year. I know you need the summer
monsoons for scalies and Mearn's and you are not a fan of the Gambel's quail which
really need the winter rain, but ... . I guess, without all that driving, one
might be lucky to find but one or two covies?
How'd the shoulder heal?
I still know I broke the ankle but it is no bother. The surgeon thought I'd really
be bothered by the cold with the steel plate still in there, but it hasn't turned
out that way.
Life is pretty nice for me too.
take care,
Jere
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>>>Near 60 degrees north in the end of the Kenai Peninsula, Alaska we have
> about two meters of snow fallen since the ground was last bare on December
> 18, 2007. The overnight low temperature night before last was -15C but it
> has warmed since to around -9 C.
>
> Season is closed on scoters now. maybe next year.
>
> Jere<<
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> Hello Jere,
>
> I feel for ya man! Weather here is great, except for a little wind. Highs
> have been 55s to 65s F. Bird numbers
> are up from last year. Some areas numbers are way up. Went out on Thursday
> and found all three species,
> Mearns, gambels, and scalies. Put up a total of 12 covies. Bought a new
> quad, Polaris Ranger. Hunting a lot out of it. We drive until we see birds,
> then get out and work dogs. I put a four hole dog box on the back of
> it.Better for my old legs. Life is wonderful!!!
>
> tc
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