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rospigan
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Did the wgd go silent again? Like a drunk who
wakes up for a few moments, have a pee, growl something, have a few more beers
and then fall to sleep again :- ))
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens kennel
"Ask not what your dog
can do for you,
ask what you can do for your dog"
www.rospigan.net
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jerry
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| 03/10/2010 5:14 PM |
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A friend of mine got a VDD last year. What does everyone think of them?
Actually, two friends got two VDDs, one just
last week. One friend lives 10 minutes away and the other lives on the
other side of the country in the People's Republic
of Kalifornia. The nearby VDD seems hyperactive while the far away VDD
seems like the best pup on Earth.
On 3/10/2010 4:56 PM, Maud & Torsti wrote:
Did the wgd go silent again? Like a
drunk who wakes up for a few moments, have a pee, growl something, have
a few more beers and then fall to sleep again :- ))
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens kennel
"Ask not what your dog can do for you,
ask what you can do for your dog"
www.rospigan.net
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jikoj
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I had a friend who had VD, He would
have a pee, growl something
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Nicholson
To: working-gundog@web.whc.net
Sent: Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:45 pm
Subject: Re: [working-gundog] Silent again?
A friend of mine got a VDD last year. What does everyone think of them? Actually, two friends got two VDDs, one just
last week. One friend lives 10 minutes away and the other lives on the other side of the country in the People's Republic
of Kalifornia. The nearby VDD seems hyperactive while the far away VDD seems like the best pup on Earth.
On 3/10/2010 4:56 PM, Maud & Torsti wrote:
Did the wgd go silent again? Like a drunk who wakes up for a few moments, have a pee, growl something, have a few more beers and then fall to sleep again :- ))
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens kennel
"Ask not what your dog can do for you,
ask what you can do for your dog"
www.rospigan.net
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mcotton
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I was trying to think of some smart-arse comment
but you bet me to it.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 1:52
PM
Subject: Re: [working-gundog] Silent
again?
I had a friend who had VD,
He would
have a
pee, growl something
-----Original
Message----- From: Jerry Nicholson < jerry@mlink.com> To: working-gundog@web.whc.netSent:
Wed, Mar 10, 2010 6:45 pm Subject: Re: [working-gundog] Silent
again?
A friend of mine got
a VDD last year. What does everyone think of them? Actually, two friends got
two VDDs, one just last week. One friend lives 10 minutes away and the
other lives on the other side of the country in the People's Republic of
Kalifornia. The nearby VDD seems hyperactive while the far away VDD seems like
the best pup on Earth. On 3/10/2010 4:56 PM, Maud & Torsti wrote:
Did the wgd go silent again? Like a drunk
who wakes up for a few moments, have a pee, growl something, have a few more
beers and then fall to sleep again :- ))
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens kennel
"Ask not what your
dog can do for you,
ask what you can do for your dog"
www.rospigan.net
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rospigan
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The Deutsch Drathaar (provided you mean the German
wirehaired pointer?) is supposed to be a truly versatile gundog - and is so
in its country of origin. Here in Sweden they are of very shifting quality as
versatile. For some reason, unknown to me, they and the GSP have to a certain
extent been bred into birddogs rather than true versatile.
In their country of origin they are, as
versatile, used for anything from pointing woodcock, pheasant and
other game birds to blood trackers of 4 legged game and also dogs used to stop
and bark at dangerous game like wild boar - in Russia also bear. They are
supposed and will to fetch anything from woodcock to red fox. But even in
Germany the really good, fully trained and in field trials proven dogs that are
for sale are extremely expensive. High price for really good
versatile means that the supply does not meet the demand and that there are
a lot of less desirable dogs in Germany also.
Then again, if a dog is good or bad for your
personal use may not coincide with the desired breed standard. If it is good for
your purpose it is not a bad dog for you - no matter how much it deviates
from the desired breed standard.
I have no idea of the situation in the USA but I
suspect that they are more of hunting - pointing - retrieving, like
our working spaniels or any good working setters, than truly versatile
gundogs that can tamper with any game on wings or four legs, regardless of size
or dangerousness.
Here in Sweden the wild boar population is
exploding and it is just a matter of a few years or a decade before 100 000 of
them are killed every year. You need bold dogs that can first flush them out of
their hides to be shot at and then when the inevitable bad shot comes, to
track and control those that have been wounded. A wounded wild boar is
furious and deadly so the dog has to be both courageous, sagacious and agile.
That is what the GWP used to be in the past but look at it now! If I had to find
such a GWP dog from the old school I would go to Russia or some other former
eastern country or Germany. The problem is that few are willing export their
best dogs and hence the good genes are difficult to spread around where they are
needed.
However it is impossible to judge a breed on a
national level, not even a local strain, from having seen only two puppies.
You got to see and know more of them.
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens kennel
"Ask not what your dog
can do for you,
ask what you can do for your dog"
www.rospigan.net
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: [working-gundog] Silent again?
A friend of mine got a VDD last year. What does everyone think of
them? Actually, two friends got two VDDs, one just
last week. One friend
lives 10 minutes away and the other lives on the other side of the country in
the People's Republic
of Kalifornia. The nearby VDD seems hyperactive while
the far away VDD seems like the best pup on Earth.
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jerry
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| Thanks for the very interesting view from Europe. The Drathaars here in
the states are supposed to
adhere to the rigorous German standards for true versatile gundogs - it
seems they have very stringent
breeding standards and pups that don't conform don't get to breed. I am
looking forward to seeing how
the local pup does hunting coyotes and red fox. He appears fearless,
inquisitive, intelligent and seems to
have a really good nose. At 6 months he was pointing pheasant and
woodcock - not beautiful points, of
course, but pretty good for his age.
Unfortunately, there aren't many of them in this area. My friend drove
12 hours away to pick up his.
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jikoj
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| 03/11/2010 5:37 PM |
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The DDs in the US are registered, tested, and bred all according to the German VDD regulations (actually tested under Jagdgebrauchshundverband e. V.). We even have German judges evaluate our dogs fairly often. The German Wirehaired Pointer over here is actually in a totally different gene pool registered, and subject to, all the vagaries and lack of control of the AKC. They have no mandatory testing or oversight. Apparently some AKC breeders are using some DDs in there program (under the blanket).
Jim, Hetzi and Birka
-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Nicholson
To: working-gundog@web.whc.net
Sent: Thu, Mar 11, 2010 3:28 pm
Subject: Re: [working-gundog] Silent again?
Thanks for the very interesting view from Europe. The Drathaars here in the states are supposed to
adhere to the rigorous German standards for true versatile gundogs - it seems they have very stringent
breeding standards and pups that don't conform don't get to breed. I am looking forward to seeing how
the local pup does hunting coyotes and red fox. He appears fearless, inquisitive, intelligent and seems to
have a really good nose. At 6 months he was pointing pheasant and woodcock - not beautiful points, of
course, but pretty good for his age.
Unfortunately, there aren't many of them in this area. My friend drove 12 hours away to pick up his.
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rospigan
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Jerry wrote:
>>> I am
looking forward to
seeing how
the local pup does hunting coyotes and red fox. He appears
fearless,
inquisitive, intelligent and seems to
have a really good nose.
At 6 months he was pointing pheasant and
woodcock - not beautiful points,
of
course, but pretty good for his age.>>>
The puppy seems to have the needed basic
characteristics of a good German versatile. Do not expect beautiful points like
from a specialist setter. The setter has been bred for one single purpose for
several hundreds of years. In comparison the German versatiles are pretty young.
I think a German versatile is a little like me. I am a mariner engineer and I am
supposed to one way or another fix most technical problems on a ship, at least
temporarely, until specialist engineers can do a proper and permanent solution.
Hence I understand a bit about diesel engines, a bit about hydraulics, a
bit about electrics, electronics and computer technology but I am not
really good - a specialist - in anything. And that is also what the German
versatiles are supposed to be like. There are better pointers than them, and
better trackers, and better flushers and stoppers of big game and better
retrievers and better guard dogs and you name it, than them. However;
their versatile overall performance, covering the entire spectra of
situations that a hunting man or woman can face during his or
her lifetime could decently or well or excellently be covered with a
German versatile where someone else, who like specialist breeds, would have to
have several different dogs of several different breeds to get the work
done.
And each versatile is an individual with individual
preferences, as is the marine engineer. There is always one branch that is more
interesting than the others and it will hence be better at that task
than the other tasks it is expected to do.
So why do I like specialist setters than
before the versatiles? Don't I like my self? Well, I have always dreamed of
being really, really good in one single task, without having to always ask
someone else (a specialist) for the last, crucial advice. I guess the setters, as of is the case in humans relation
to dogs, replaces the second me - the one who can say that "Shut up! I know
precisely what I am doing!"
So when I see a white setter sweeping over the
ground as elegantly and indefatigably as an albatross, that without the
least effort is gliding over the heavy south Atlantic swell, then I perhaps
see myself in my next life :- )) Even though the albatross is one of the most
stupid birds you can find on earth it is sovereign in one single task;
endlessly and effortlessly gliding over the waves, no matter how strong the wind
is or how bad the weather and without ever making the slightest
mistake...
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens kennel
"Ask not what
your dog can do for you,
ask what you can do for your dog"
www.rospigan.net
, there aren't many of them in this area. My
friend drove
12 hours away to pick up his.
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mcotton
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Very well put Torsti.
Marg
The puppy seems to have the needed basic
characteristics of a good German versatile. Do not expect beautiful points
like from a specialist setter. The setter has been bred for one single purpose
for several hundreds of years. In comparison the German versatiles are pretty
young. I think a German versatile is a little like me. I am a mariner engineer
and I am supposed to one way or another fix most technical problems on a ship,
at least temporarely, until specialist engineers can do a proper and permanent
solution. Hence I understand a bit about diesel engines, a bit about
hydraulics, a bit about electrics, electronics and computer technology
but I am not really good - a specialist - in anything. And that is
also what the German versatiles are supposed to be like. There are better
pointers than them, and better trackers, and better flushers and
stoppers of big game and better retrievers and better guard dogs and you
name it, than them. However; their versatile overall performance,
covering the entire spectra of situations that a hunting man or
woman can face during his or her lifetime could decently or well or
excellently be covered with a German versatile where someone else, who
like specialist breeds, would have to have several different dogs of
several different breeds to get the work done.
And each versatile is an individual with
individual preferences, as is the marine engineer. There is always one branch
that is more interesting than the others and it will hence
be better at that task than the other tasks it is expected to
do.
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens kennel
"Ask not what
your dog can do for you,
ask what you can do for your dog"
www.rospigan.net
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rospigan
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>>>Very well put Torsti.
Marg>>>
Summa cum laude, in other words! I have not mentioned that the GSP, the
shorthair, is a popular......what do you call them in English....not sledge
dog but pulling one man on skis. "Ski dog race", perhaps. They are best on
fast short tracks when they have a race. There is one big race just a few
hundred kilometres north of us every spring. It is held on the ice of a long
river and there are different distances. The birddogs are best at the short fast
distances like 5 kms....I believe. GSP, all the setters and pointers,
totally 49 different breeds have participated so far. The total number of
starters in that race could be more than a thousand, totally 400 kms
in 4 days. It is actually a family event with teams and all that fuss. Anyone
with a dog can participate. You still have the time to put your self and a
dog on the plane and participate since it starts next Thursday. If nothing else
comes out of it for you, you will see a lot of beautiful Swedish nature in
a sparkling sunshine and a friendly atmosphere!
I ought to go there too, at least with a camera, if I only could
get my thumb out of my a..., as we use to say :- )
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens kennel
"Ask not what your dog
can do for you,
ask what you can do for your dog"
www.rospigan.net
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jmurr
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| Torsti, quite a while ago now, a couple of your country folk came to America to
show their teams' stuff in the N. American sled dog sprint races (shorter distance
as you said). They are now living in Alaska and still competing with their pointer
cross dogs, but don't seem quite as competitive as at first.. The Cnadians and
Americans learned well but it took some time to build kennels.
http://www.egilellis.com/index.php/Main/Bio
The last storm ended up dumping about 1.5 m of new snow here. Temperatures went
down to ~ -14C and the wind peaked at ~ 20 m/s. After a partly sunny day it looks
like another dump is about to hit!
Jere
>
> Summa cum laude, in other words! I have not mentioned that the GSP, the shorthair,
> is a popular......what do you call them in English....not sledge dog but pulling
> one man on skis. "Ski dog race", perhaps. They are best on fast short tracks when
> they have a race. There is one big race just a few hundred kilometres north of us
> every spring. It is held on the ice of a long river and there are different
> distances. The birddogs are best at the short fast distances like 5 kms....I
> believe. GSP, all the setters and pointers, totally 49 different breeds have
> participated so far. The total number of starters in that race could be more than a
> thousand, totally 400 kms in 4 days. It is actually a family event with teams and
> all that fuss. Anyone with a dog can participate. You still have the time to put
> your self and a dog on the plane and participate since it starts next Thursday. If
> nothing else comes out of it for you, you will see a lot of beautiful Swedish
> nature in a sparkling sunshine and a friendly atmosphere!
>
> I ought to go there too, at least with a camera, if I only could get my thumb out
> of my a..., as we use to say :- )
>
> Torsti
> Borta Med Vindens kennel
> "Ask not what your dog can do for you,
> ask what you can do for your dog"
> www.rospigan.net
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>
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rospigan
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I visited the website and for some reason I think
that there has been something about the couple in the Swedish telly. Have to ask
Maud when she comes home from the game and outdoor sports fair where she
has been working for a couple of days.
We have in our part of the country a touch of
spring although the snow has not started to really melt yet. We have nothing
similar to your amounts of snow here although in the west and northwest
mountains they still have bad weather with snowstorms. They usually have 2 - 3 -
4 metres of snow in places in the mountain ridge towards Norway and find the
right place and you go for a nice ski-tour dressed in a t-shirt and shorts even
in June.
I want the snow to melt away as soon as possible
now. I am getting fat from sitting indoors only and learning computer
technology :- )
The chainsaw is eagerly waiting for me and in
addition I would like to go to the forest with the new puppy (as
with the dogs of the past) every day, that I have
almost always been able to do around the year. Instead I have
now driven to towns and walked the busy streets with her, that is so called
environmental training, and makes them used to that type of hype also. That is
otherwise best done in the summer, the dogs get so dirty in towns this time of
the year. She gets a bit car sick in my bumpy pick-up on the bad roads
that are full of pot-holes from frost now. I guess she gets used to it, all our
other dogs have done so.
Now she is telling me that she wants to go to bed.
As she is a female I better obey her wishes :- ))
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens kennel
"Ask not what your dog
can do for you,
ask what you can do for your dog"
www.rospigan.net
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [working-gundog] Silent again?
Torsti, quite a while ago now, a couple of your country folk came
to America to
show their teams' stuff in the N. American sled dog sprint
races (shorter distance
as you said). They are now living in Alaska and
still competing with their pointer
cross dogs, but don't seem quite as
competitive as at first.. The Cnadians and
Americans learned well but it took
some time to build kennels.
http://www.egilellis.com/index.php/Main/Bio
The
last storm ended up dumping about 1.5 m of new snow here. Temperatures
went
down to ~ -14C and the wind peaked at ~ 20 m/s. After a partly
sunny day it looks
like another dump is about to
hit!
Jere
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mcotton
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We have a club starting up in NZ with the help of
Germany. It has been a battle, and so awkward as we are so far away, but I
think this year we
may have our first genuine Drahthaars.
It is great to see a bunch of hunters who want to
do this. In NZ we have this on line sales "shop" called TradeMe and
because it is so cheap to
advertise and with photos, there are now heaps of
gundogs (and other breeds) being bred and sold unregistered with the kennel
club, and xbred.
Xbred GSP Vizsla they want $500. Unregistered
Vizsla selling $800. It is all bad news in a small country.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 2:03
PM
Subject: Re: [working-gundog] Silent
again?
The DDs in the US are registered,
tested, and bred all according to the German VDD regulations (actually tested
under Jagdgebrauchshundverband e. V.). We even have German judges
evaluate our dogs fairly often. The German Wirehaired Pointer over here is
actually in a totally different gene pool registered, and subject
to, all the vagaries and lack of control of the AKC. They have no mandatory
testing or oversight. Apparently some AKC breeders are using some DDs in there
program (under the blanket).
Jim, Hetzi and Birka
-----Original
Message----- From: Jerry Nicholson
To:
working-gundog@web.whc.net
Sent: Thu, Mar 11, 2010 3:28 pm
Subject: Re:
[working-gundog] Silent again?
Thanks
for the very interesting view from Europe. The Drathaars here in the states
are supposed to
adhere to the rigorous German standards for true
versatile gundogs - it seems they have very stringent
breeding
standards and pups that don't conform don't get to breed. I am looking forward
to seeing how
the local pup does hunting coyotes and red fox. He
appears fearless, inquisitive, intelligent and seems to
have a really
good nose. At 6 months he was pointing pheasant and woodcock - not beautiful
points, of
course, but pretty good for his
age.
Unfortunately, there aren't many of them in this area.
My friend drove 12 hours away to pick up his.
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soniaskinner1
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Re: [working-gundog] Silent again?
Hi Marg and Rose,
The breeder of my GSP has just moved to Christchurch NZ from Scotland. Hope you will meet up sometime.
Sonia
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mcotton
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Re: [working-gundog] Silent again?
Who is that Sonia?
Did they bring dogs with them?
We really need some good new working stock down
here.
Marg
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 2:25
AM
Subject: Re: [working-gundog] Silent
again?
Hi Marg and Rose,
The breeder of my GSP has
just moved to Christchurch NZ from Scotland. Hope you will meet up
sometime.
Sonia
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soniaskinner1
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Re: [working-gundog] Silent again?
They are called Catherine and Tony Sellin and I imagine they were taking their dogs with them. They were very involved with GSP’s in this country.
They moved to NZ on 16th of this month, I am going to email then tonight. They are on Facebook.
Sonia
On 17/3/10 18:56, "Margaret Cotton" wrote:
Who is that Sonia?
Did they bring dogs with them?
We really need some good new working stock down here.
Marg
----- Original Message -----
From: Sonia Skinner
To: working-gundog@web.whc.net
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 2:25 AM
Subject: Re: [working-gundog] Silent again?
Hi Marg and Rose,
The breeder of my GSP has just moved to Christchurch NZ from Scotland. Hope you will meet up sometime.
Sonia
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rospigan
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Marg wrote:
>>> In NZ we have this on line sales
"shop" called TradeMe and because it is so cheap to
advertise and with photos, there are now heaps of
gundogs (and other breeds) being bred and sold unregistered with the kennel
club, and xbred. Xbred GSP Vizsla they want
$500. Unregistered Vizsla selling $800. It is all bad news in a
small country.>>
Sounds like a nightmare to me! Let me make a guess, or a prediction for the
future scene: You will have a lot of nervous, good for nothing gundogs
everywhere within a few years. Then someone realises the terrible fraud and the
nervous wrecks are being put away. Invest in spades now, they will sell
expensive in the future. Also invest in one of the new import of Drathaars as
soon as possible, as long as you can afford it. When those who have been
properly had start to search for "real" gundogs the price of the good imports,
and their future progeny, will skyrocket! All that has happened
here with the boar hounds....and before that with the bear hounds.
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens kennel
"Ask not what your dog
can do for you,
ask what you can do for your dog"
www.rospigan.net
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rgilby
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Re: [working-gundog] Silent again?
Hi Sonia
Wow – as Marg
said there is definitely a need for some good working stock – even though
I don’t have a GSP now it would be interesting to meet them
Rose
-----Original
Message-----
From:
working-gundog-request@web.whc.net [mailto:working-gundog-request@web.whc.net] On Behalf Of Sonia Skinner
Sent: Thursday,
18 March 2010 8:07 a.m.
To: working-gundog@web.whc.net
Subject: Re: [working-gundog]
Silent again?
They are called Catherine and Tony Sellin and I imagine they were taking their
dogs with them. They were very involved with GSP’s in this country.
They moved to NZ on 16th of this month, I am going to email then tonight.
They are on Facebook.
Sonia
On 17/3/10 18:56, "Margaret Cotton"
wrote:
Who is that Sonia?
Did they bring dogs with them?
We really need some good new working stock down here.
Marg
----- Original Message -----
From: Sonia Skinner
To: working-gundog@web.whc.net
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010
2:25 AM
Subject: Re: [working-gundog]
Silent again?
Hi Marg and Rose,
The breeder of my GSP has just moved to Christchurch NZ from Scotland.
Hope you will meet up sometime.
Sonia
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zeltors
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| 03/18/2010 10:57 AM |
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Really? I find it hard to find good working homes for puppies. I
don't think I'm the only breeder with this issue. I mean more than
just opening, closing and perhaps a social weekend weekend hunting.
Rose Gilbert wrote:
Re: [working-gundog] Silent again?
Hi Sonia
Wow – as Marg
said there is definitely a need for some good working stock – even
though
I don’t have a GSP now it would be interesting to meet them
Rose
-----Original
Message-----
From: Sonia Skinner
They are called Catherine and Tony Sellin and I imagine they were
taking their
dogs with them. They were very involved with GSP’s in this country.
They moved to NZ on 16th of this month, I am going to email then
tonight.
They are on Facebook.
Sonia
On 17/3/10 18:56, "Margaret Cotton"
wrote:
Who is that
Sonia?
Did they bring dogs with them?
We really need some good new working stock down here.
Marg
----- Original Message -----
From: Sonia Skinner
To:
working-gundog@web.whc.net
Sent: Thursday, March
18, 2010
2:25 AM
Subject: Re:
[working-gundog]
Silent again?
Hi Marg and Rose,
The breeder of my GSP has just moved to Christchurch NZ from Scotland.
Hope you will meet up sometime.
Sonia
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rgilby
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Re: [working-gundog] Silent again?
ersonName>ChrisersonName>
I meant – that down here in the South
Island we have a very small gene pool of good working stock – did not
mean to infer that you or any other North Island breeder didn’t breed
good working lines – both you and Gail have brought in some very good
lines.
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From:
working-gundog-request@web.whc.net [mailto:working-gundog-request@web.whc.net] On Behalf Of ersonName>ChrisersonName>
Sent: Friday, 19
March 2010 7:21 a.m.
To: working-gundog@web.whc.net
Subject: Re: [working-gundog]
Silent again?
Really? I find it
hard to find good working homes for puppies. I don't think I'm the only
breeder with this issue. I mean more than just opening, closing and
perhaps a social weekend weekend hunting.
Rose Gilbert wrote:
Hi Sonia
Wow
– as Marg said there is definitely a need for some good working stock
– even though I don’t have a GSP now it would be interesting to
meet them
Rose
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From: Sonia Skinner
They are called Catherine and Tony Sellin and I imagine they were taking their
dogs with them. They were very involved with GSP’s in this country.
They moved to NZ on 16th of this month, I am going to email then tonight.
They are on Facebook.
Sonia
On 17/3/10 18:56, "Margaret Cotton" wrote:
Who is that Sonia?
Did they bring dogs with them?
We really need some good new working stock down here.
Marg
----- Original Message -----
From: Sonia Skinner
To: working-gundog@web.whc.net
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010
2:25 AM
Subject: Re: [working-gundog]
Silent again?
Hi Marg and Rose,
The breeder of my GSP has just moved to Christchurch NZ from Scotland.
Hope you will meet up sometime.
Sonia
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