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Jere
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jikoj
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I hope not because I'm going to train for bloodtracking this summer and...........it's just plain interesting!
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Jere Murray
To: working-gundog@web.whc.net
Sent: Sat, Mar 6, 2010 2:23 am
Subject: [working-gundog] Did we let this list die?
Haven't seen anything here since November 25, 2009!
Jere
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rospigan
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Hello Jere!
And all others, provided there still are some other
folks around...
I thought the list was indeed dead and removed from
the server. So did Sonia and some others.
Hence it was a great surprise when this message
suddenly popped up.
Well, things at our place have been a bit dramatic
lately. Dear Sunnie Sunshine, our new promising wonder-setter passed away
at an age of 6 months only. Worst case of ostheochondros. You can read about her
destiny at our website, Torstis corner. And her death killed me also,
mentally so to say.
Maud refused to live without a dog in the house and
instantly found a new ES bitch puppy, that has been with us for 10 days
perhaps. It is an "ordinary" ES and will propably develop into a good gundog but
there is nothing special with her as there was with Sunnie. It is a cousin to
Briz and "something similar" to Foxy. The fathers mother was Foxy´s half
sister.
But if no other puppy from Sunnies litter gets the
ostheochondros the breeder will repeat the combination and we will get a new
"Sunnie" next autumn or winter. I wait patiently for her, and so do Maud also of
course. Sunnies wonderful nature came from her mother, that is an extraordinary
versatile ES.
We have a really good winter and plenty of snow and
cold. In fact I have not been able to do any work in the forest since middle of
january perhaps and nothing else for that matter, outside the house. For a
few days we could not drive all the way to our house the last 300 meters
even though we both have 4wd cars. That has been the case all over Sweden,
roads, streets, airports and rail roads have been blocked by snow and
ice.
However we have renewed a greater part of our
computer park and the new custom made super dooper machine was faulty from the
manufacturer. That has kept me busy indoors and I have just got it back from
repair and think that we now can move things from the old one to the new
machine. All that excessive, double set-up work has kept me busy, thanks heaven,
otherwise I had gone mad from inactivity VBG.
Today the sun is shining again and day time
temps are around 0 Centigrade. Some birds take a cautious tune, just to check if
their voice still is working after all the winter and the other day - night,
actually - we heard some owls calling, a sure sign of spring.
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens kennel
"Ask not what your dog
can do for you,
ask what you can do for your dog"
www.rospigan.net
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 9:23 AM
Subject: [working-gundog] Did we let this list
die?
Haven't seen anything here since November 25,
2009!
Jere
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stuwest
JH
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osteochondritis??
sorry for your loss.
Stu West
Rush River Highlands
“The Lure Of The Wild”
N4758 350th Street, Elmwood, WI 54740
(715)639-3900 h&w (715)307-7804 c
StuWest@AlmaBottom.com www.AlmaBottom.com
Women and cats will do as they please.
Men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea.
-Robert A. Heinlein
Maud & Torsti wrote:
> Hello Jere!
> And all others, provided there still are some other folks around...
> I thought the list was indeed dead and removed from the server. So did
> Sonia and some others.
> Hence it was a great surprise when this message suddenly popped up.
> Well, things at our place have been a bit dramatic lately. Dear Sunnie
> Sunshine, our new promising wonder-setter passed away at an age of 6
> months only. Worst case of ostheochondros. You can read about her
> destiny at our website, Torstis corner. And her death killed me also,
> mentally so to say.
> Maud refused to live without a dog in the house and instantly found a
> new ES bitch puppy, that has been with us for 10 days perhaps. It is
> an "ordinary" ES and will propably develop into a good gundog but
> there is nothing special with her as there was with Sunnie. It is a
> cousin to Briz and "something similar" to Foxy. The fathers mother was
> Foxy´s half sister.
> But if no other puppy from Sunnies litter gets the ostheochondros the
> breeder will repeat the combination and we will get a new "Sunnie"
> next autumn or winter. I wait patiently for her, and so do Maud also
> of course. Sunnies wonderful nature came from her mother, that is an
> extraordinary versatile ES.
> We have a really good winter and plenty of snow and cold. In fact I
> have not been able to do any work in the forest since middle of
> january perhaps and nothing else for that matter, outside the house.
> For a few days we could not drive all the way to our house the last
> 300 meters even though we both have 4wd cars. That has been the case
> all over Sweden, roads, streets, airports and rail roads have been
> blocked by snow and ice.
> However we have renewed a greater part of our computer park and the
> new custom made super dooper machine was faulty from the manufacturer.
> That has kept me busy indoors and I have just got it back from repair
> and think that we now can move things from the old one to the new
> machine. All that excessive, double set-up work has kept me busy,
> thanks heaven, otherwise I had gone mad from inactivity VBG.
> Today the sun is shining again and day time temps are around 0
> Centigrade. Some birds take a cautious tune, just to check if their
> voice still is working after all the winter and the other day - night,
> actually - we heard some owls calling, a sure sign of spring.
> Torsti
> Borta Med Vindens kennel
> "Ask not what your dog can do for you,
> ask what you can do for your dog"
> www.rospigan.net
>
> *From:* Jere Murray
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 06, 2010 9:23 AM
> *To:* working-gundog@web.whc.net
> *Subject:* [working-gundog] Did we let this list die?
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> Haven't seen anything here since November 25, 2009!
>
> Jere
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rgilby
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Oh Torsti &
Maud
I am so sorry to hear about Sunnie – it is never easy to loose one of our four
legged friends – let alone one so young.
My thoughts are with you
Rose
-----Original
Message-----
From:
working-gundog-request@web.whc.net [mailto:working-gundog-request@web.whc.net] On Behalf Of Maud & Torsti
Sent: Sunday, 7
March 2010 4:40 a.m.
To: working-gundog@web.whc.net
Subject: Re: [working-gundog] Did
we let this list die?
And all others, provided there still
are some other folks around...
I thought the list was indeed dead
and removed from the server. So did Sonia and some others.
Hence it was a great surprise when
this message suddenly popped up.
Well, things at our place have been
a bit dramatic lately. Dear Sunnie Sunshine, our new promising
wonder-setter passed away at an age of 6 months only. Worst case of
ostheochondros. You can read about her destiny at our website, Torstis corner.
And her death killed me also, mentally so to say.
Maud refused to live without a dog
in the house and instantly found a new ES bitch puppy, that has been with
us for 10 days perhaps. It is an "ordinary" ES and will propably
develop into a good gundog but there is nothing special with her as there was
with Sunnie. It is a cousin to Briz and "something similar" to Foxy.
The fathers mother was Foxy´s half sister.
But if no other puppy from Sunnies
litter gets the ostheochondros the breeder will repeat the combination and we
will get a new "Sunnie" next autumn or winter. I wait patiently for
her, and so do Maud also of course. Sunnies wonderful nature came from her
mother, that is an extraordinary versatile ES.
We have a really good winter and
plenty of snow and cold. In fact I have not been able to do any work in the
forest since middle of january perhaps and nothing else for that matter,
outside the house. For a few days we could not drive all the way to
our house the last 300 meters even though we both have 4wd cars. That has been
the case all over Sweden, roads, streets, airports and rail roads have been
blocked by snow and ice.
However we have renewed a
greater part of our computer park and the new custom made super dooper machine
was faulty from the manufacturer. That has kept me busy indoors and I have just
got it back from repair and think that we now can move things from the old one
to the new machine. All that excessive, double set-up work has kept me busy,
thanks heaven, otherwise I had gone mad from inactivity VBG.
Today the sun is shining again
and day time temps are around 0 Centigrade. Some birds take a cautious tune,
just to check if their voice still is working after all the winter and the
other day - night, actually - we heard some owls calling, a sure sign of
spring.
Borta Med Vindens kennel
"Ask not what your dog can do for you,
ask what you can do for your dog"
www.rospigan.net
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 9:23 AM
Subject: [working-gundog] Did we let this
list die?
Haven't seen anything
here since November 25, 2009!
Jere
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jmurr
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Posts:158
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| Torsti, that's really sad news about Sunnie. She did look very promising in the
video you sent. Here's hoping she does have a sister and she turns out well.
After a rather dry winter, Match is making up for that here. I'd guess we've had
about 2/3 meter of snow in the past 2-3 days and plenty of wind. We barely got out
and back yesterday with the 4 x 4 Ford F250 and if there were no other people
driving that section of our driveway we'd probably be snowbound now. Power was out
for a while yesterday. Wind is picking up now.
I'm wndering again about those "ptarmigan" birds you have there (or more
particularly in Norway) because of this post which appeared on a bb a few days
ago...
"we rented a piece of ground high up in a valley near the Swedish border in South
Norway.
"There were three kinds of Rype to be found. Down low in the stunted birch forest
were the Dale (Valley) Rype (Willow Parmigan), up a bit higher in the windswept
Reindeer moss-covered rugged mountain sides were Fjell Rype (literally Mountain
Ptarmigan but probably the Rock Ptarmigan), and at the very tops of the most *&^%$
hard terrain to reach were a much smaller and extremely cautious species the
Norwegians called "Skarv." "
What I can find for Norway grouse family birds is the fjellrype or Lagopus muta
(which N. Americans call "Rock ptarmigan"), lirype or Lagopus lagopus (called
"willow ptarmigan there and in N. America) and the jerpe or hazel grouse Bonasa
bonasia (looks like a cross between the N. American "Ruffed grouse, Bonasa
umbellus and the NA "spruce grouce, Falcipennis canadensis); along with the
capercaille, and black grouse. The last three are forest birds not high
tundra/rock country birds.
I don't find anything that resembles his " much smaller and extremely cautious
species the Norwegians called "Skarv." "
He insists he shot such birds and the Norwegians shot more than he as they shot
them on the ground while he waited for them to fly.
What do you think these high country birds are?
Jere
> Hello Jere!
> And all others, provided there still are some other folks around...
>
> I thought the list was indeed dead and removed from the server. So did Sonia and
> some others.
>
> Hence it was a great surprise when this message suddenly popped up.
>
> Well, things at our place have been a bit dramatic lately. Dear Sunnie Sunshine,
> our new promising wonder-setter passed away at an age of 6 months only. Worst case
> of ostheochondros. You can read about her destiny at our website, Torstis corner.
> And her death killed me also, mentally so to say.
>
> Maud refused to live without a dog in the house and instantly found a new ES bitch
> puppy, that has been with us for 10 days perhaps. It is an "ordinary" ES and will
> propably develop into a good gundog but there is nothing special with her as there
> was with Sunnie. It is a cousin to Briz and "something similar" to Foxy. The
> fathers mother was Foxy´s half sister.
>
> But if no other puppy from Sunnies litter gets the ostheochondros the breeder will
> repeat the combination and we will get a new "Sunnie" next autumn or winter. I wait
> patiently for her, and so do Maud also of course. Sunnies wonderful nature came
> from her mother, that is an extraordinary versatile ES.
>
> We have a really good winter and plenty of snow and cold. In fact I have not been
> able to do any work in the forest since middle of january perhaps and nothing else
> for that matter, outside the house. For a few days we could not drive all the way
> to our house the last 300 meters even though we both have 4wd cars. That has been
> the case all over Sweden, roads, streets, airports and rail roads have been blocked
> by snow and ice.
>
> However we have renewed a greater part of our computer park and the new custom
> made super dooper machine was faulty from the manufacturer. That has kept me busy
> indoors and I have just got it back from repair and think that we now can move
> things from the old one to the new machine. All that excessive, double set-up work
> has kept me busy, thanks heaven, otherwise I had gone mad from inactivity VBG.
>
> Today the sun is shining again and day time temps are around 0 Centigrade. Some
> birds take a cautious tune, just to check if their voice still is working after all
> the winter and the other day - night, actually - we heard some owls calling, a sure
> sign of spring.
>
> Torsti
>
> Borta Med Vindens kennel
> "Ask not what your dog can do for you,
> ask what you can do for your dog"
> www.rospigan.net
>
>
> From: Jere Murray
> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 9:23 AM
> To: working-gundog@web.whc.net
> Subject: [working-gundog] Did we let this list die?
>
>
> Haven't seen anything here since November 25, 2009!
>
> Jere
>
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mcotton
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| 03/06/2010 4:18 PM |
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Dear Torsti and Maud
I am so sorry to hear of the death of
Sunny. I hope your new puppy will lift your spirits and go on to be an
enjoyment for you both.
Marg
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robclayau
JH
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| 03/06/2010 4:28 PM |
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Hi All,
Summer here in Australia. Much of the continent has been in serve drought for over a decade, but this summer has seen some good rain. Around my area (Southeast Aust.), it's the wettest summer in 20 years. We've just had a "once in century" flooding event in (Queensland) the Northeast of the country and exciting part is that rather than flowing out into the ocean, this water will make it's way south crossing much of the continent over the coming weeks and months. Heard a professor the radio yesterday, reckons something like a 1000 Giga-liters might find its way down the Darling and into the Murray and down to lakes SA. These (freshwater) lakes have been below sea level for several years now and as a result they have been steadily increasing in salinity. This rain could be very timely in preventing the collapse of these ecosystems. (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/record-falls-to-flush-lake-eyre-murray-darling/story-e6frg6nf-1225837519227)
Have been amusing myself over the summer with a number of projects. Bought a boat and have been fishing regularly, both for Australian natives, Murray Cod and Golden Perch, as well as for introduced brown and rainbow trout. Also taking out my canoe and exploring some of the less accessible stretches of water in the local rivers.
I've also been shooting quite a few rabbits, over a hundred for the summer (rabbits are an introduced pest here in Australia and hunters are encouraged to take as many as they can). I'm experimenting with new ways to cook rabbit, including camp oven (Dutch Oven) and low-slow barbecue. In addition, am trading fresh rabbits with friends for fresh eggs and veggies.
Looking forward to autumn and coming duck/quail season. Given the summer rain and lush conditions expecting good numbers of both birds. Duck season opens here on March 20th, so there in only a few weeks to go and we'll be into my favorite time of the year. The dogs are good, both have seen plenty of running over the summer and are in good shape. Like me, they are eagerly anticipating the Autumn and the opening of the hunting seasons.
Torsti - Sorry for your loss.
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stuwest
JH
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| all good things come to an end when convenience, greed and political
correctness are valued more highly than truth...
Stu West
Rush River Highlands
“The Lure Of The Wild”
N4758 350th Street, Elmwood, WI 54740
(715)639-3900 h&w (715)307-7804 c
StuWest@AlmaBottom.com www.AlmaBottom.com
Women and cats will do as they please.
Men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea.
-Robert A. Heinlein
Jere Murray wrote:
> Haven't seen anything here since November 25, 2009!
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> Jere
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jmurr
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| Are you saying you've been absent due to greed and political correctness or it just
hasn't been convenient to hang here?
Jere
> all good things come to an end when convenience, greed and political
> correctness are valued more highly than truth...
>
> Stu West
> Rush River Highlands
> The Lure Of The Wild
> N4758 350th Street, Elmwood, WI 54740
> (715)639-3900 h&w (715)307-7804 c
> StuWest@AlmaBottom.com www.AlmaBottom.com
>
> Women and cats will do as they please.
> Men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea.
> -Robert A. Heinlein
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> Jere Murray wrote:
>> Haven't seen anything here since November 25, 2009!
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>> Jere
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rospigan
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Hi Jere
I was very comfused the first time I was to my
friends in Norway for hunting and they vere taking about skarv in the mountains.
Then I found out that they vere taking about mountain ptarmigan (fjellrype in
norwegian, fjällrypa in swedish, lagopus mutus in latin), but skarv is not the
right namne. Skarv is Phalacrocorax carbo/aristotlis, Cormorant I think in
english. Why people in the norweigan mountain call it skarv I dont know but I
will ask them next time I go there 
There is only two types of ptarmigan in the
mountains of sweden and norway: willow grouse/lagopus lagopus/dalripa/lirype and
ptarmigan/lagopus mutus/fjällripa/fjellrype (english/latin/swedish/norwegian).
Torsti has not been hunting in norway and probably
dont know anything about skarv.
Maud
Borta Med Vindens kennel
"Ask not what your dog
can do for you,
ask what you can do for your dog"
www.rospigan.net
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [working-gundog] Did we let this list
die?
Torsti, that's really sad news about Sunnie. She did
look very promising in the
video you sent. Here's hoping she does have
a sister and she turns out well.
After a rather dry winter, Match is
making up for that here. I'd guess we've had
about 2/3 meter of snow in the
past 2-3 days and plenty of wind. We barely got out
and back yesterday
with the 4 x 4 Ford F250 and if there were no other people
driving that
section of our driveway we'd probably be snowbound now. Power was
out
for a while yesterday. Wind is picking up now.
I'm wndering again
about those "ptarmigan" birds you have there (or more
particularly in Norway)
because of this post which appeared on a bb a few days
ago...
"we
rented a piece of ground high up in a valley near the Swedish border in
South
Norway.
"There were three kinds of Rype to be found. Down low in
the stunted birch forest
were the Dale (Valley) Rype (Willow Parmigan), up a
bit higher in the windswept
Reindeer moss-covered rugged mountain sides were
Fjell Rype (literally Mountain
Ptarmigan but probably the Rock Ptarmigan),
and at the very tops of the most *&^%$
hard terrain to reach were a much
smaller and extremely cautious species the
Norwegians called "Skarv."
"
What I can find for Norway grouse family birds is the fjellrype or
Lagopus muta
(which N. Americans call "Rock ptarmigan"), lirype or Lagopus
lagopus (called
"willow ptarmigan there and in N. America) and the jerpe or
hazel grouse Bonasa
bonasia (looks like a cross between the N. American
"Ruffed grouse, Bonasa
umbellus and the NA "spruce grouce, Falcipennis
canadensis); along with the
capercaille, and black grouse. The last
three are forest birds not high
tundra/rock country birds.
I don't
find anything that resembles his " much smaller and extremely
cautious
species the Norwegians called "Skarv." "
He insists he shot
such birds and the Norwegians shot more than he as they shot
them on the
ground while he waited for them to fly.
What do you think these high
country birds are?
Jere
> Hello Jere!
> And all
others, provided there still are some other folks around...
>
> I
thought the list was indeed dead and removed from the server. So did Sonia
and
> some others.
>
> Hence it was a great surprise when this
message suddenly popped up.
>
> Well, things at our place have been
a bit dramatic lately. Dear Sunnie Sunshine,
> our new promising
wonder-setter passed away at an age of 6 months only. Worst case
> of
ostheochondros. You can read about her destiny at our website, Torstis
corner.
> And her death killed me also, mentally so to
say.
>
> Maud refused to live without a dog in the house and
instantly found a new ES bitch
> puppy, that has been with us for 10 days
perhaps. It is an "ordinary" ES and will
> propably develop into a good
gundog but there is nothing special with her as there
> was with Sunnie.
It is a cousin to Briz and "something similar" to Foxy. The
> fathers
mother was Foxy´s half sister.
>
> But if no other puppy from
Sunnies litter gets the ostheochondros the breeder will
> repeat the
combination and we will get a new "Sunnie" next autumn or winter. I wait
>
patiently for her, and so do Maud also of course. Sunnies wonderful nature
came
> from her mother, that is an extraordinary versatile
ES.
>
> We have a really good winter and plenty of snow and cold. In
fact I have not been
> able to do any work in the forest since middle of
january perhaps and nothing else
> for that matter, outside the house. For
a few days we could not drive all the way
> to our house the last 300
meters even though we both have 4wd cars. That has been
> the case all
over Sweden, roads, streets, airports and rail roads have been blocked
>
by snow and ice.
>
> However we have renewed a greater part of
our computer park and the new custom
> made super dooper machine was
faulty from the manufacturer. That has kept me busy
> indoors and I have
just got it back from repair and think that we now can move
> things from
the old one to the new machine. All that excessive, double set-up work
>
has kept me busy, thanks heaven, otherwise I had gone mad from inactivity
VBG.
>
> Today the sun is shining again and day time temps are
around 0 Centigrade. Some
> birds take a cautious tune, just to check if
their voice still is working after all
> the winter and the other day -
night, actually - we heard some owls calling, a sure
> sign of
spring.
>
> Torsti
>
> Borta Med Vindens kennel
>
"Ask not what your dog can do for you,
> ask what you can do for your
dog"
> www.rospigan.net
>
>
>
From: Jere Murray
> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 9:23 AM
> To: working-gundog@web.whc.net
>
Subject: [working-gundog] Did we let this list die?
>
>
>
Haven't seen anything here since November 25, 2009!
>
>
Jere
>
>
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rospigan
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>>>url?
osteochondritis??
sorry for your loss.
Stu
West >>>
Yes, osteochondritis it might be in English. The
"bearing surfaces" in the joints, elbows, knees, deteriorate. Often the damage
is very small and can be cured with some micro-surgery and other treatment but
for Sunnie it was the worst case scenario, much more worse than we could imagine
before the x-ray.
I can not express my sorrow, Sunnie would have
developed into a magnificent dog both in body and mentality. She
was my dream of a working springer spamiel - working english setter
cross in the body of a pure bred English
setter. You may remember how I dreamed of such a cross already 10 - 12 years
ago. Now we finally had one and then some evil devil took her
away....
"Fate" is a law of nature that we cant control and
never will be able to control.
Lets hope there will be a litter next autumn
also..
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens kennel
"Ask not what your dog
can do for you,
ask what you can do for your dog"
www.rospigan.net
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stuwest
JH
Posts:39
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guilty, your honor.
Stu West
Rush River Highlands
“The Lure Of The Wild”
N4758 350th Street, Elmwood, WI 54740
(715)639-3900 h&w (715)307-7804 c
StuWest@AlmaBottom.com www.AlmaBottom.com
Women and cats will do as they please.
Men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea.
-Robert A. Heinlein
Jere Murray wrote:
> Are you saying you've been absent due to greed and political correctness or it just
> hasn't been convenient to hang here?
>
> Jere
>
>
>> all good things come to an end when convenience, greed and political
>> correctness are valued more highly than truth...
>>
>> Stu West
>> Rush River Highlands
>> “The Lure Of The Wild”
>> N4758 350th Street, Elmwood, WI 54740
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>> StuWest@AlmaBottom.com www.AlmaBottom.com
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>> Women and cats will do as they please.
>> Men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea.
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stuwest
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| we have seen great improvements in this disease with glucosamine
sulfate, MSM, and hyaluronic acid given prophylactically.
Stu West
Rush River Highlands
“The Lure Of The Wild”
N4758 350th Street, Elmwood, WI 54740
(715)639-3900 h&w (715)307-7804 c
StuWest@AlmaBottom.com www.AlmaBottom.com
Women and cats will do as they please.
Men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea.
-Robert A. Heinlein
Maud & Torsti wrote:
> >>>url?
> osteochondritis??
> sorry for your loss.
>
> Stu West >>>
>
> URL below in signature www.rospigan.net
> look for "Torstis corner"
>
> Yes, osteochondritis it might be in English. The "bearing surfaces" in
> the joints, elbows, knees, deteriorate. Often the damage is very small
> and can be cured with some micro-surgery and other treatment but for
> Sunnie it was the worst case scenario, much more worse than we could
> imagine before the x-ray.
>
> I can not express my sorrow, Sunnie would have developed into a
> magnificent dog both in body and mentality. She was my dream of a
> working springer spamiel - working english setter cross in the body
> of a pure bred English setter. You may remember how I dreamed of such
> a cross already 10 - 12 years ago. Now we finally had one and then
> some evil devil took her away....
>
> "Fate" is a law of nature that we cant control and never will be able
> to control.
>
> Lets hope there will be a litter next autumn also..
>
> Torsti
>
> Borta Med Vindens kennel
> "Ask not what your dog can do for you,
> ask what you can do for your dog"
> www.rospigan.net
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| Hi Maud, Thanks. Maybe that helps - Cormorant in English is correct.
I'll try and talk with that fellow again.
Jere > Hi Jere
> I was very comfused the first time I was to my friends in Norway for hunting and
> they vere taking about skarv in the mountains. Then I found out that they vere
> taking about mountain ptarmigan (fjellrype in norwegian, fjällrypa in swedish,
> lagopus mutus in latin), but skarv is not the right namne. Skarv is Phalacrocorax
> carbo/aristotlis, Cormorant I think in english. Why people in the norweigan
> mountain call it skarv I dont know but I will ask them next time I go there
>
> There is only two types of ptarmigan in the mountains of sweden and norway: willow
> grouse/lagopus lagopus/dalripa/lirype and ptarmigan/lagopus
> mutus/fjällripa/fjellrype (english/latin/swedish/norwegian).
>
> Torsti has not been hunting in norway and probably dont know anything about skarv.
>
> Maud
>
> Borta Med Vindens kennel
> "Ask not what your dog can do for you,
> ask what you can do for your dog"
> www.rospigan.net
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> From: Jere Murray
> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 10:59 PM
> To: working-gundog@web.whc.net
> Subject: Re: [working-gundog] Did we let this list die?
>
>
> Torsti, that's really sad news about Sunnie. She did look very promising in the
> video you sent. Here's hoping she does have a sister and she turns out well.
>
> After a rather dry winter, Match is making up for that here. I'd guess we've had
> about 2/3 meter of snow in the past 2-3 days and plenty of wind. We barely got out
> and back yesterday with the 4 x 4 Ford F250 and if there were no other people
> driving that section of our driveway we'd probably be snowbound now. Power was out
> for a while yesterday. Wind is picking up now.
>
> I'm wndering again about those "ptarmigan" birds you have there (or more
> particularly in Norway) because of this post which appeared on a bb a few days
> ago...
>
>
> "we rented a piece of ground high up in a valley near the Swedish border in South
> Norway.
>
> "There were three kinds of Rype to be found. Down low in the stunted birch forest
> were the Dale (Valley) Rype (Willow Parmigan), up a bit higher in the windswept
> Reindeer moss-covered rugged mountain sides were Fjell Rype (literally Mountain
> Ptarmigan but probably the Rock Ptarmigan), and at the very tops of the most *&^%$
> hard terrain to reach were a much smaller and extremely cautious species the
> Norwegians called "Skarv." "
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> What I can find for Norway grouse family birds is the fjellrype or Lagopus muta
> (which N. Americans call "Rock ptarmigan"), lirype or Lagopus lagopus (called
> "willow ptarmigan there and in N. America) and the jerpe or hazel grouse Bonasa
> bonasia (looks like a cross between the N. American "Ruffed grouse, Bonasa
> umbellus and the NA "spruce grouce, Falcipennis canadensis); along with the
> capercaille, and black grouse. The last three are forest birds not high
> tundra/rock country birds.
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> I don't find anything that resembles his " much smaller and extremely cautious
> species the Norwegians called "Skarv." "
>
> He insists he shot such birds and the Norwegians shot more than he as they shot
> them on the ground while he waited for them to fly.
>
> What do you think these high country birds are?
>
> Jere
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>> Hello Jere!
>> And all others, provided there still are some other folks around...
>>
>> I thought the list was indeed dead and removed from the server. So did Sonia and
>> some others.
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>> Hence it was a great surprise when this message suddenly popped up.
>>
>> Well, things at our place have been a bit dramatic lately. Dear Sunnie Sunshine,
>> our new promising wonder-setter passed away at an age of 6 months only. Worst
>> case
>> of ostheochondros. You can read about her destiny at our website, Torstis corner.
>> And her death killed me also, mentally so to say.
>>
>> Maud refused to live without a dog in the house and instantly found a new ES
>> bitch
>> puppy, that has been with us for 10 days perhaps. It is an "ordinary" ES and will
>> propably develop into a good gundog but there is nothing special with her as
>> there
>> was with Sunnie. It is a cousin to Briz and "something similar" to Foxy. The
>> fathers mother was Foxy´s half sister.
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>> But if no other puppy from Sunnies litter gets the ostheochondros the breeder
>> will
>> repeat the combination and we will get a new "Sunnie" next autumn or winter. I
>> wait
>> patiently for her, and so do Maud also of course. Sunnies wonderful nature came
>> from her mother, that is an extraordinary versatile ES.
>>
>> We have a really good winter and plenty of snow and cold. In fact I have not been
>> able to do any work in the forest since middle of january perhaps and nothing
>> else
>> for that matter, outside the house. For a few days we could not drive all the way
>> to our house the last 300 meters even though we both have 4wd cars. That has been
>> the case all over Sweden, roads, streets, airports and rail roads have been
>> blocked
>> by snow and ice.
>>
>> However we have renewed a greater part of our computer park and the new custom
>> made super dooper machine was faulty from the manufacturer. That has kept me busy
>> indoors and I have just got it back from repair and think that we now can move
>> things from the old one to the new machine. All that excessive, double set-up
>> work
>> has kept me busy, thanks heaven, otherwise I had gone mad from inactivity VBG.
>>
>> Today the sun is shining again and day time temps are around 0 Centigrade. Some
>> birds take a cautious tune, just to check if their voice still is working after
>> all
>> the winter and the other day - night, actually - we heard some owls calling, a
>> sure
>> sign of spring.
>>
>> Torsti
>>
>> Borta Med Vindens kennel
>> "Ask not what your dog can do for you,
>> ask what you can do for your dog"
>> www.rospigan.net
>>
>>
>> From: Jere Murray
>> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 9:23 AM
>> To: working-gundog@web.whc.net
>> Subject: [working-gundog] Did we let this list die?
>>
>>
>> Haven't seen anything here since November 25, 2009!
>>
>> Jere
>>
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