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rospigan
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Re: [working-gundog] Mauds pictures
.... a new dentist! The entire pneumonia from
September 14 was most likely caused by a small pocket of puss under a tooth.
Those bacteria's can't be treated with normal antibiotics but needs something
special tailored for bacteria's living in an environment free from oxygen. Well,
now I have got the proper treatment by a new, younger and more
ambitious dentist and been pumped full of antibiotics directly into a vein
in the hospital during the week. In the hospital they feared the bacteria's
might have stuck to the cardiac vales but after having stowed an ultra sonic
probe into my throat and investigating the heart from the inside they found it
was not the case. I guess I was lucky. I know two people who have had their
cardiac valves destroyed due to the same reason.
A careful dentist seems to be of vital importance
not only for your teeth! Do not hesitate to consult another dentist if you are
in any doubt... If for no other reason but because I am not allowed to drink a
single drop of alcohol, not even wine, during the next 10 days of
the final treatment with the special antibiotics. My God, my God! Why have
you forsaken me!  ))
Maud and Briz went to some field trial early this
morning. If Briz can take a reward everything is good and if she misses Maud can
still do a lot of photography and hopefully get something spectacular to stick
in the memory card of her camera. We sometimes send our pictures to a shooting
magazine were they have a continuous photo contest. In the last issue of a
magazine Maud got a first prize for her picture of a pointer running into a
covey of partridge and I got a book prize for a picture of Briz running on
a field covered with dandelions (you can find them on our website
under "About pointing/The origin of pointing".
And now Foxy and me will go and investigate a misty
forest before breakfast. Then we will see what the day brings along for
us.
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel "Ask not what your dog can do for you. Ask
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mcotton
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Re: [working-gundog] Mauds pictures
I understand in NZ they check and fix your teeth
before heart surgery.
Good you are back Torsti
Marg
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 7:13
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Subject: [working-gundog] I
have....
.... a new dentist! The entire pneumonia from
September 14 was most likely caused by a small pocket of puss under a tooth.
Those bacteria's can't be treated with normal antibiotics but needs something
special tailored for bacteria's living in an environment free from oxygen.
Well, now I have got the proper treatment by a new, younger and more
ambitious dentist and been pumped full of antibiotics directly into a
vein in the hospital during the week. In the hospital they feared the
bacteria's might have stuck to the cardiac vales but after having stowed an
ultra sonic probe into my throat and investigating the heart from the inside
they found it was not the case. I guess I was lucky. I know two people who
have had their cardiac valves destroyed due to the same reason.
A careful dentist seems to be of vital importance
not only for your teeth! Do not hesitate to consult another dentist if you are
in any doubt... If for no other reason but because I am not allowed to drink a
single drop of alcohol, not even wine, during the next 10 days of
the final treatment with the special antibiotics. My God, my God! Why
have you forsaken me! ))
Maud and Briz went to some field trial early this
morning. If Briz can take a reward everything is good and if she misses Maud
can still do a lot of photography and hopefully get something spectacular to
stick in the memory card of her camera. We sometimes send our pictures to a
shooting magazine were they have a continuous photo contest. In the last issue
of a magazine Maud got a first prize for her picture of a pointer running into
a covey of partridge and I got a book prize for a picture of Briz
running on a field covered with dandelions (you can find them
on our website under "About pointing/The origin of
pointing".
And now Foxy and me will go and investigate a
misty forest before breakfast. Then we will see what the day brings along for
us.
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel "Ask not what your dog can do for you. Ask
what you can do for your dog." www.rospigan.net
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rospigan
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| 10/27/2007 12:40 AM |
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Re: [working-gundog] Mauds pictures
Yes, and now afterwards I am very supprised they
did not do that with me????
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel "Ask not what your dog can do for you. Ask
what you can do for your dog." www.rospigan.net
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:21
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Subject: Re: [working-gundog] I
have....
I understand in NZ they check and fix your teeth
before heart surgery.
Good you are back Torsti
Marg
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 7:13
PM
Subject: [working-gundog] I
have....
.... a new dentist! The entire pneumonia from
September 14 was most likely caused by a small pocket of puss under a tooth.
Those bacteria's can't be treated with normal antibiotics but needs
something special tailored for bacteria's living in an environment free from
oxygen. Well, now I have got the proper treatment by a new, younger and more
ambitious dentist and been pumped full of antibiotics directly into a
vein in the hospital during the week. In the hospital they feared the
bacteria's might have stuck to the cardiac vales but after having stowed an
ultra sonic probe into my throat and investigating the heart from the inside
they found it was not the case. I guess I was lucky. I know two people who
have had their cardiac valves destroyed due to the same reason.
A careful dentist seems to be of vital
importance not only for your teeth! Do not hesitate to consult another
dentist if you are in any doubt... If for no other reason but because I am
not allowed to drink a single drop of alcohol, not even wine, during
the next 10 days of the final treatment with the special
antibiotics. My God, my God! Why have you forsaken me! ))
Maud and Briz went to some field trial early
this morning. If Briz can take a reward everything is good and if she misses
Maud can still do a lot of photography and hopefully get something
spectacular to stick in the memory card of her camera. We sometimes send our
pictures to a shooting magazine were they have a continuous photo contest.
In the last issue of a magazine Maud got a first prize for her picture of a
pointer running into a covey of partridge and I got a book prize for a
picture of Briz running on a field covered with dandelions (you
can find them on our website under "About pointing/The origin of
pointing".
And now Foxy and me will go and investigate a
misty forest before breakfast. Then we will see what the day brings along
for us.
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel "Ask not what your dog can do for
you. Ask what you can do for your dog." www.rospigan.net
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soniaskinner
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Re: [working-gundog] I have....
So pleased to read that you are much better. How will you survive without alcohol
Sonia
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rospigan
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>>How will you survive
without alcohol
Sonia>>>
Time will tell! Right now it feels like I might survive ))
Briz was trialled yesterday. She found a bird in tall grass in no wind
condition. Maud, the judge and the gun walked up to her. Briz was commanded to
flush the bird. She raced forward but missed the bird a bit and ran
past it. Without stopping to relocate she turned back and this time hit the bird
and flushed it straight towards the gun. The gun killed it immediately and still
without stopping Briz ran to the bird, picked it up in speed like a spaniel and
ran back to Maud taking a sitting position at Maud's left leg like an obedience
competition dog. In the Swedish field trial vocabulary we call the dogs work
from the flushing command to the point when the bird is delivered to hand for
"settling the situation". Briz must have made one of the fastest settlements in
the history of the Swedish field trials! However such determined work gives no
FT-rewards...
Briz will never become a FTCH and honestly: to me it does not matter the
least! She finds the birds if there are any and with her liberated style of
handling them she will never be boring. She is a stand-up comedian in the
costume of an English setter )) The leaves are still falling from the trees, makes the deer nervous, and a
hard wind is blowing, also makes the deer nervous, so I don't think I will spend
any time today to kill stressed meat. Maybe I should shoot a crow or two
instead.....
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel
"Ask not what your dog
can do for you.
Ask what you can do for your dog."
www.rospigan.net
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soniaskinner
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Re: [working-gundog] I have....
Time will tell! Right now it feels like I might survive ))
*************************************
Torsti
Have just been on your website again and loved the photo of Foxy running in the mountains and looking so happy, what a dog.
Sonia
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rospigan
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>>>Have just been on
your website again and loved the photo of Foxy running in the mountains and
looking so happy, what a dog.
Sonia>>>
Yes, she is rather remarkable. Had we known this 10
years ago, and known some other things also, particularly how to select a Sir
for such a strong character, we would have taken many litters from her!
Well, that opportunity is in the past now.
I had an interesting day yesterday. I wanted to do
some experiments with my 30-06 rifle and went to a field to shoot a couple of
rounds at target. There are several "islands" of rock around
the of the field and I used one of them as a backstop for the bullets. My
pick-up was used as a shooting support. For reasons that had to do with the
experiment the gun was shooting very high, about one feet at 60 meters. After I
had fired the second shot a big roe-deer buck came out from behind the backstop,
at a distance of maybe 100 meters. It walked very slowly, just like wondering
were the noise came from. I had a gun in my hand, I had good support but I had
no idea of how to compensate for the very high bullet path at that distance! All
I could do was to watch the buck slowly cross the field and disappear into the
woods on the other side!
Then I finished the experiment and restored the
scope for hunting and went home. However I could not forget the buck. When it
was about one hour to sunset I had to go out again to see if the buck would come
out to continue its abrupted grazing. I sat in a hide for only 30 minutes when
it came out to have an evening meal. I dropped it. Then came another buck and I
dropped it too! Wow!
I have made kind of an "elevator" that I can not
explain the details of in English but anyway it will very easily lift a roe-deer
or any other moderate weight, say 100kgs, of game onto the open
cargo-space on my pick-up. This is because I am not yet allowed to lift anything
heavy. However I never thought of designing it for multiple operations but once
I have lifted a deer it will be blocked. So I had to call Maud and get help from
her to get the second buck on the truck. Well, it was an interesting day
anyway...
On Sunday Maud was to some commercial shoot to run
Briz together with a GSP. Briz develops continuously. The guns were young and
inexperienced, first time shooting over pointing dogs, and produced a lot of
runners. It was now season for pheasants. Still last year Briz had been
hesitating to take wounded pheasants but not anymore. She tracked them, catch up
with them and brought back the struggling cocks like she had not done anything
else in her life. The guns were a bit ashamed since they knew that it
is not good for the steadiness of a pointing dog to have to chase runners over
and over again. Often they have labs to retrieve most of the birds at
commercial shoots but not always. On the other hand this kind of work prepares
the birddog for any situation during a hunting trip and if the prize to pay is a
dog that is a bit unsteady sometimes....then let it be!
Years ago when Foxy was ran at commercial shoots we
noticed how she developed into a versatile hunter since she knew the entire
course of hunting. When the labs were not able to find a runner Foxy was sent
out and she found them. I believe the reason was that the labs in their training
never were given the chance to work independently but were trained to take
direction. When the handler had no idea of where the runner was the dog was more
or less helpless.
Spaniels that are trained in a liberated way will
often develop into very efficient pickers-up of runners. They are difficult to
train to take direction but are fast and bold when they can work independently.
Then again such dog will not do well in trials. You can have a shooting dog and
you can have a trial dog but it is difficult to have both in one package, and
that is true with birddogs, spaniels and retrievers, at least here in
Sweden.
I have several times told about Peter Moxon (famous
British trainer) who's spaniel Susan worked for two hours in total darkness
before it came back with a widgeon that Peter had wounded. A Swedish game keeper
told me about his spaniel that worked 45 minutes before it found a running
pheasant that had been missed by both labs and GSP's.
I actually dreamed about Miss "The Beep" Sophie
last night, the young spaniel that I gave to someone, due to reasons explained
on our website, some years ago. I got to have one of those some
day.
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel
"Ask not what your dog
can do for you.
Ask what you can do for your dog."
www.rospigan.net
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rgilby
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| 10/31/2007 12:10 PM |
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Re: [working-gundog] Mauds pictures
Goes to show – you can’t keep
an old dog down for long. Fingers crossed for an uneventful recovery.
Rose
-----Original Message-----
From:
working-gundog-request@web.whc.net [mailto:working-gundog-request@web.whc.net] On Behalf Of Maud & Torsti
Sent: Saturday, 27 October 2007
7:14 p.m.
To: working-gundog@web.whc.net
Subject: [working-gundog] I
have....
.... a new dentist! The entire
pneumonia from September 14 was most likely caused by a small pocket of puss
under a tooth. Those bacteria's can't be treated with normal antibiotics but
needs something special tailored for bacteria's living in an environment free
from oxygen. Well, now I have got the proper treatment by a new, younger and
more ambitious dentist and been pumped full of antibiotics directly into a
vein in the hospital during the week. In the hospital they feared the
bacteria's might have stuck to the cardiac vales but after having stowed an
ultra sonic probe into my throat and investigating the heart from the inside
they found it was not the case. I guess I was lucky. I know two people who have
had their cardiac valves destroyed due to the same reason.
A careful dentist seems to be of
vital importance not only for your teeth! Do not hesitate to consult another
dentist if you are in any doubt... If for no other reason but because I am not
allowed to drink a single drop of alcohol, not even wine, during the next
10 days of the final treatment with the special antibiotics. My God,
my God! Why have you forsaken me! ))
Maud and Briz went to some field
trial early this morning. If Briz can take a reward everything is good and if
she misses Maud can still do a lot of photography and hopefully get something
spectacular to stick in the memory card of her camera. We sometimes send our
pictures to a shooting magazine were they have a continuous photo contest. In
the last issue of a magazine Maud got a first prize for her picture of a
pointer running into a covey of partridge and I got a book prize for a picture
of Briz running on a field covered with dandelions (you can
find them on our website under "About pointing/The origin of
pointing".
And now Foxy and me will go and
investigate a misty forest before breakfast. Then we will see what the day
brings along for us.
Borta Med Vindens Kennel
"Ask not what your dog can do for you.
Ask what you can do for your dog."
www.rospigan.net
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farmd69
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| 10/31/2007 12:39 PM |
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| Torsti,
Antibiotics do not work when you had a walled off pus pocket (an Abscess).
Antibiotics cannot penetrate an abscess. The dentist had top go in and cut
it open and drain it before the antibiotics would work.
and the drug they probably gave you is metronidazole (for the anerobic
bacteria which hate oxygen). Some people (but not all) who take this drug
will get a very bad reaction if they take any ethanol at all. (That includes
even small amount of ethanol like in cough syrups and certain medicinal
elixirs)
The reaction is violent uncontrollable nausea and vomiting.
For some people there is no reactrion and they can drink.....and only trial
and error will tell you if you are going to get sick or not. I would not
drink for the 10 days and curse the Loki for his trick.
Take the medicine and don;t drink. You will be better for Christmas and New
Years. That's where the drinking counts anyway!
Now I got a question
OK my 16 month old dog(Boykin Spaniel) has retrieved many pheasants, ducks,
etc. without a problem since she was 3 months old. Last week she retrieved a
dead wood duck and wodcock without a problem. When we came back from the
field we shot some barn pigeons and she brought them back looking like a
they were run over by a truck. SHe broke every bone trying to eat it before
I could get it out of her mouth. This was completely out of character for
her as she usually brings them back alive.
I have not had her out hunting to she if she will do this on real game but I
am not happy.
What did I do wrong? How do I correct this abberent behavior?
>From: "Rose Gilbert"
>Reply-To: working-gundog@web.whc.net
>To:
>Subject: RE: [working-gundog] I have....
>Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 07:50:39 +1300
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>Goes to show - you can't keep an old dog down for long. Fingers crossed
>for an uneventful recovery.
>
>Rose
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: working-gundog-request@web.whc.net
>[mailto:working-gundog-request@web.whc.net] On Behalf Of Maud & Torsti
>Sent: Saturday, 27 October 2007 7:14 p.m.
>To: working-gundog@web.whc.net
>Subject: [working-gundog] I have....
>
>.... a new dentist! The entire pneumonia from September 14 was most
>likely caused by a small pocket of puss under a tooth. Those bacteria's
>can't be treated with normal antibiotics but needs something special
>tailored for bacteria's living in an environment free from oxygen. Well,
>now I have got the proper treatment by a new, younger and more ambitious
>dentist and been pumped full of antibiotics directly into a vein in the
>hospital during the week. In the hospital they feared the bacteria's
>might have stuck to the cardiac vales but after having stowed an ultra
>sonic probe into my throat and investigating the heart from the inside
>they found it was not the case. I guess I was lucky. I know two people
>who have had their cardiac valves destroyed due to the same reason.
>
>A careful dentist seems to be of vital importance not only for your
>teeth! Do not hesitate to consult another dentist if you are in any
>doubt... If for no other reason but because I am not allowed to drink a
>single drop of alcohol, not even wine, during the next 10 days of the
>final treatment with the special antibiotics. My God, my God! Why have
>you forsaken me! ))
>
>Maud and Briz went to some field trial early this morning. If Briz can
>take a reward everything is good and if she misses Maud can still do a
>lot of photography and hopefully get something spectacular to stick in
>the memory card of her camera. We sometimes send our pictures to a
>shooting magazine were they have a continuous photo contest. In the last
>issue of a magazine Maud got a first prize for her picture of a pointer
>running into a covey of partridge and I got a book prize for a picture
>of Briz running on a field covered with dandelions (you can find them on
>our website under "About pointing/The origin of pointing".
>
>And now Foxy and me will go and investigate a misty forest before
>breakfast. Then we will see what the day brings along for us.
>
>Torsti
>Borta Med Vindens Kennel
>"Ask not what your dog can do for you.
>Ask what you can do for your dog."
>www.rospigan.net
>
>
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rgilby
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| 10/31/2007 12:50 PM |
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| Hi Ted
If you have never had a problem like this before - then just ignore it -
don't make an issue. I think you will find pigeons have very loose
feather (not tight like other game) - when they are fresh shot dogs seem
to have difficulty with the loose feathers in their mouths thus tending
to make them (esp. young dogs) mouth.
Just my thoughts
Rose
Ted wrote
"Now I got a question
OK my 16 month old dog(Boykin Spaniel) has retrieved many pheasants,
ducks,
etc. without a problem since she was 3 months old. Last week she
retrieved a
dead wood duck and wodcock without a problem. When we came back from
the
field we shot some barn pigeons and she brought them back looking like
a
they were run over by a truck. SHe broke every bone trying to eat it
before
I could get it out of her mouth. This was completely out of character
for
her as she usually brings them back alive.
I have not had her out hunting to she if she will do this on real game
but I
am not happy.
What did I do wrong? How do I correct this abberent behavior?"
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farmd69
JH
Posts:27
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| 11/01/2007 8:32 AM |
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| Rose
thanks I will go out today at lunch and see if that is true.....to be
continued
thanks
ted Hey we finally got a hard frost. its about time
>From: "Rose Gilbert"
>Reply-To: working-gundog@web.whc.net
>To:
>Subject: RE: [working-gundog] I have....
>Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 08:41:07 +1300
>
>Hi Ted
>
>If you have never had a problem like this before - then just ignore it -
>don't make an issue. I think you will find pigeons have very loose
>feather (not tight like other game) - when they are fresh shot dogs seem
>to have difficulty with the loose feathers in their mouths thus tending
>to make them (esp. young dogs) mouth.
>
>Just my thoughts
>
>Rose
>
>Ted wrote
>"Now I got a question
>OK my 16 month old dog(Boykin Spaniel) has retrieved many pheasants,
>ducks,
>etc. without a problem since she was 3 months old. Last week she
>retrieved a
>dead wood duck and wodcock without a problem. When we came back from
>the
>field we shot some barn pigeons and she brought them back looking like
>a
>they were run over by a truck. SHe broke every bone trying to eat it
>before
>I could get it out of her mouth. This was completely out of character
>for
>her as she usually brings them back alive.
>I have not had her out hunting to she if she will do this on real game
>but I
>am not happy.
>What did I do wrong? How do I correct this abberent behavior?"
>
>
>
> >
>
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rospigan
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Ted wrote:
>>>The
reaction is violent uncontrollable nausea and vomiting.
For some people there
is no reactrion and they can drink.....and only trial
and error will tell
you if you are going to get sick or not. I would not
drink for
the 10 days and curse the Loki for his trick.
Take the medicine and don;t
drink. You will be better for Christmas and New
Years. That's
where the drinking counts anyway!>>>
"The reaction
is violent uncontrollable nausea and vomiting."
Sounds like a line from the Hollywood movie
"Airplane", made sometimes around 1970 - 80 ))
Anyway I have no intension to test the reaction, I
have been sick enough without it, but I will be finished with the medicines
about when the deer I shot a few days ago will be tender and ready to eat. Then
we will make something eatable out of them and have some wine with the
dinner.
>>Now I
got a question
OK my 16 month old dog(Boykin Spaniel) has retrieved
many pheasants, ducks,
etc. without a problem since she was 3 months old.
Last week she retrieved a
dead wood duck and wodcock without a
problem. When we came back from the
field we shot some barn
pigeons and she brought them back looking like a
they were run over by a
truck. SHe broke every bone trying to eat it before
I could get it out
of her mouth. This was completely out of character for
her as she
usually brings them back alive.
I have not had her out hunting to she if she
will do this on real game but I
am not happy.
What did I do wrong?
How do I correct this abberent behavior?>>>
With pigeons,
and other birds with very loose feathers, the dog should initially be
trained by pulling a women's nylon stocking over the bird. I think you
could correct the chewing by force training the dog with such a
covered pigeon and then without the stocking. I guess Cj or someone else over
there is better suited to explain the force training the American way than I
am.
Things like this sometimes happens if the dog is not trained to correctly
handle any imaginable game, not only the "noble" game. Over here crows and
sea-gulls are used in spaniel and retriever trials. Naturally the dogs often
dislike them unless trained to treat them like any other object to
fetch.
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel "Ask not what your dog can do for you. Ask
what you can do for your dog." www.rospigan.net |
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cwalt
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| 11/01/2007 10:04 AM |
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| > Ted wrote
> "Now I got a question
> OK my 16 month old dog(Boykin Spaniel) has retrieved many pheasants,
> ducks,
> etc. without a problem since she was 3 months old. Last week she
> retrieved a
> dead wood duck and wodcock without a problem. When we came back from
> the
> field we shot some barn pigeons and she brought them back looking like
> a
> they were run over by a truck. SHe broke every bone trying to eat it
> before
> I could get it out of her mouth. This was completely out of character
> for
> her as she usually brings them back alive.
> I have not had her out hunting to she if she will do this on real game
> but I
> am not happy.
> What did I do wrong? How do I correct this abberent behavior?"
Ted:
How old is she?
Do you have any other dogs?
Have you trained with pigeons?
Do you normally talk to her during a retrieve?
Were you hunting with anyone else or with another dog?
Are you training another dog, either yours or for someone else?
Have you been training her lately, if so what have you been training?
I ask these questions because sudden aberrant behaviors usually have an
identifiable and correctable source.
Cj
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farmd69
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| 11/01/2007 10:48 AM |
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| Thanks for the advice. She has on many other occasions retrieved pigeons
without any problem...
At lunch I ran out and worked my cornfield for 30 minutes....dog flushed 2
pheasants but I had no shot. I don't know of she will repeat this on real
game or not. I should go over to the pond and shoot a passing goose or try
the woods for a turkey but I got to work till dark and only have 30 miutes
for lunch. SO I do what I can.
ted
>From: "Maud & Torsti"
>Reply-To: working-gundog@web.whc.net
>To:
>Subject: Re: [working-gundog] I have....
>Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:34:42 +0100
>
>Ted wrote:
> >>>The reaction is violent uncontrollable nausea and vomiting.
>For some people there is no reactrion and they can drink.....and only trial
>and error will tell you if you are going to get sick or not. I would not
>drink for the 10 days and curse the Loki for his trick.
>Take the medicine and don;t drink. You will be better for Christmas and
>New
>Years. That's where the drinking counts anyway!>>>
>
>"The reaction is violent uncontrollable nausea and vomiting."
>
>Sounds like a line from the Hollywood movie "Airplane", made sometimes
>around 1970 - 80 ))
>
>Anyway I have no intension to test the reaction, I have been sick enough
>without it, but I will be finished with the medicines about when the deer I
>shot a few days ago will be tender and ready to eat. Then we will make
>something eatable out of them and have some wine with the dinner.
>
> >>Now I got a question
>OK my 16 month old dog(Boykin Spaniel) has retrieved many pheasants,
>ducks,
>etc. without a problem since she was 3 months old. Last week she retrieved
>a
>dead wood duck and wodcock without a problem. When we came back from the
>field we shot some barn pigeons and she brought them back looking like a
>they were run over by a truck. SHe broke every bone trying to eat it
>before
>I could get it out of her mouth. This was completely out of character for
>her as she usually brings them back alive.
>I have not had her out hunting to she if she will do this on real game but
>I
>am not happy.
>What did I do wrong? How do I correct this abberent behavior?>>>
>
>With pigeons, and other birds with very loose feathers, the dog should
>initially be trained by pulling a women's nylon stocking over the bird. I
>think you could correct the chewing by force training the dog with such a
>covered pigeon and then without the stocking. I guess Cj or someone else
>over there is better suited to explain the force training the American way
>than I am.
>
>
>Things like this sometimes happens if the dog is not trained to correctly
>handle any imaginable game, not only the "noble" game. Over here crows and
>sea-gulls are used in spaniel and retriever trials. Naturally the dogs
>often dislike them unless trained to treat them like any other object to
>fetch.
>
>Torsti
>Borta Med Vindens Kennel
>"Ask not what your dog can do for you.
>Ask what you can do for your dog."
>www.rospigan.net
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farmd69
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>From: "Cj"
>Reply-To: working-gundog@web.whc.net
>To:
>Subject: Re: [working-gundog] I have....
>Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:55:55 -0400
>
>>Ted wrote
>>"Now I got a question
>>OK my 16 month old dog(Boykin Spaniel) has retrieved many pheasants,
>>ducks,
>>etc. without a problem since she was 3 months old. Last week she
>>retrieved a
>>dead wood duck and wodcock without a problem. When we came back from
>>the
>>field we shot some barn pigeons and she brought them back looking like
>>a
>>they were run over by a truck. SHe broke every bone trying to eat it
>>before
>>I could get it out of her mouth. This was completely out of character
>>for
>>her as she usually brings them back alive.
>>I have not had her out hunting to she if she will do this on real game
>>but I
>>am not happy.
>>What did I do wrong? How do I correct this abberent behavior?"
>
>
>Ted:
>How old is she?
16 months old
>Do you have any other dogs?
yes a 13 year old boykin and Cocker spaniel
>Have you trained with pigeons?
YES and retireved them without the total destruction of the animal.
>Do you normally talk to her during a retrieve?
Not really
>Were you hunting with anyone else or with another dog?
Yes 1 guy and another Boykin
>Are you training another dog, either yours or for someone else?
Other than working with her...not really
>Have you been training her lately, if so what have you been training?
We've been doing NO retrieving training just field work. I have been
teaching her the difference between chickens and game. She still chases them
but does not destroy them and stops on command.
>I ask these questions because sudden aberrant behaviors usually have an
>identifiable and correctable source.
I hope so. SHe has great potential a reallt good nose but is a bit hyper (I
don;t know if it is the puppy or her personality) full of confidence but
not an agrressive dog towards another dog or person. SHe will let you do
anything to her. SHe just loves to get out there and work. A bit hard
headed but a good dog.
>Cj
>
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cwalt
MH
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| 12/11/2007 7:17 PM |
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| ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Stucka"
>>From: "Cj"
>>>Ted wrote
>>>"Now I got a question
>>>OK my 16 month old dog(Boykin Spaniel) has retrieved many pheasants,
>>>ducks,
>>>etc. without a problem since she was 3 months old. Last week she
>>>retrieved a
>>>dead wood duck and wodcock without a problem. When we came back from
>>>the
>>>field we shot some barn pigeons and she brought them back looking like
>>>a
>>>they were run over by a truck. SHe broke every bone trying to eat it
>>>before
>>>I could get it out of her mouth. This was completely out of character
>>>for
>>>her as she usually brings them back alive.
>>>I have not had her out hunting to she if she will do this on real game
>>>but I
>>>am not happy.
>>>What did I do wrong? How do I correct this abberent behavior?"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You may have done nothing wrong but I'm not certain what she was doing or
why she was doing it. I have seen something like this when a dog is
hunting or being trained with another dog. In some cases that dog that
mishandles the birds is jealous of the attention given to another animal.
For example a fellow had a new young pup and he took out out with his 'old
faithful' and she managed to eat a quail for the first time in her life.
After some discussion I discovered that he had taken both dogs out for some
field work with planted birds (a poor practice in my view) and had run the
young dog before the older dog. It turned out that the the older dog was
pissed because the younger dog got first attention. In this case the
solution was to always deal with the pup second and the older dog first. I
have seen this in a retrieve where another dog tried to take the bird away
from the retrieving dog or had succeeded in taking the bird away from
another dog.
It doesn't seem to be a control problem where the dog is incapable of
handling a struggling live cripple since she had retrieved wood duck.
Still there is the off chance that a bird was too lively for her.
Cj
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>Do you have any other dogs?
> yes a 13 year old boykin and Cocker spaniel
>
>>Have you trained with pigeons?
> YES and retireved them without the total destruction of the animal.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
So this seems to be something new to her?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>Do you normally talk to her during a retrieve?
> Not really
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
That's probably good although I don't know how much 'not really' actually
is. I have seen dogs stressed by another dog that reacted to their
handler's repeated 'fetch' command by crunching the bird. There are a
number of competitive stress reactions that could be involved with such
behaviors. I don't think I would be excessively worried about it, it may
well be a singular event that will not be repeated.
Cj
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>Were you hunting with anyone else or with another dog?
> Yes 1 guy and another Boykin
>
>>Are you training another dog, either yours or for someone else?
> Other than working with her...not really
>
>>Have you been training her lately, if so what have you been training?
>
> We've been doing NO retrieving training just field work. I have been
> teaching her the difference between chickens and game. She still chases
> them but does not destroy them and stops on command.
>
>>I ask these questions because sudden aberrant behaviors usually have an
>>identifiable and correctable source.
>
> I hope so. SHe has great potential a reallt good nose but is a bit hyper
> (I don;t know if it is the puppy or her personality) full of confidence
> but not an agrressive dog towards another dog or person. SHe will let you
> do anything to her. SHe just loves to get out there and work. A bit hard
> headed but a good dog.
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Any dog can make a mistake and it's probably best to ignore them lest your
emotional stress affect the dog's emotional state. Have there been any
other retrieving problems during the hunting season? I would not train
retrieving in any form with birds, use a training dummy since any response
to training procedures doesn't do any damage, you can correct a dog with a
training dummy but it is dangerous to do so when the dog has a bird in
mouth. Let me know how she's working now.
Cj
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