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03/03/2008 4:25 AM  
>>>Do you know this site:
http://www.jagareforbundet.se/jagarfilmforum/

There is supposed to be a video of a setter working ptarmigan there
but I haven't found it.  My Swedish is nil!

Jere>>>
 
Did you find the video from Maud's instructions? You have to scroll down a bit on the page to see the different titles. Then click on the picture of a setter on snow. It is only 57 seconds long so it should not take long to load with a modem. The handler is Norwegian and he uses basically tree words to guide the dog. He calms it down with the word "rolig" when it is trying to nail the restless birds. At flush he will shout "deck", a word used by Norwegians when they want to halt the dog. The dog is pretty steady anyway and would not have chased much I believe. Then he also when needed gives the dog permission to flush with an sharp, excited "jaaa!". Yes, got get them, in English. The grouse are difficult to hunt in snow and even if you may get a dinner or two you will never shoot any quantities in the winter. Some folks shoot them at a distance with a .22 rifle and that method can give more meat on the table.
 
There are different video's from crow shooting to wild boar and moose hunting with our dogs. Anyone can upload a hunting video there as long as it is kept around 2 minutes of length.
 
This is the Swedish Hunter's Associations website and it is full of all kinds of more or less useful stuff.
 
Now to motionless pictures. Maud's adventure to the mountains a little more than a week ago did not produce any meat due to extremely bad weather with snow storms and such. However the last day they had sunshine and shooting with the camera was possible. A lot of new snow had fallen and made life difficult for both dogs and handlers. Still it was the new snow that made it possible for Maud to take a lot of nice photos and in fact some of them will knock your head of! You will find them at our website under "Last Updates".
 
I believe it should be "Latest updates" to be correct English?
 
Anyway Maud started to study at the high school again. It is possible now that we have got broadband internet. Everything is done from home, at least with Maud's subject, namely Photo Editing with Adobe Photoshop. One of the reasons why she started it is that she now officially is a student. That means that she was hence able to buy the Adobe Creative Suite 3 Premium with about 75% discount, for less than 1000 dollars. She already had the CS2 but the step up to CS3 would have been huge should she have paid full price.
 
"Adobe"! We have had Adobe PS since they year 2002 or something. I have never thought much about the name "Adobe", it was just a silly company name among others. Then, some weeks ago I found an old book that I bought somewhere many decades ago. It was Elmer Keith's "Hell, I was there!". I started to read the book again. Elmer Keith, one of Americas most known hunters, riflemen and pistolero's, was born more than a 100 years ago. To my great surprise I found that he used the word "adobe"! I thought "How the bloo..he.. can a man born something like 1890 use the super modern word adobe???"
 
When I read English I usually do not look up in a lexicon every new word I find, only if I cant figure out the rough meaning of it by the context. Now I had to see what "adobe" means. It means "sun-dried bricks, construction made of sun-dried bricks". The word "adobe", that I though was a modern invention, most likely from Silicon Walley, is in fact almost as old as man himself! Well, you learn something new every time you are away from home - a friend of mine use to say.
 
Have you ever thought why I sit here behind the computer telling lies about dogs and why Maud has become such a good dog photographer and is studying photo editing? Have you ever pondered about the flow of life and how it is guided into different directions by happenings that when they happen only seems to have minor importance?
 
Well, the main reason why me and Maud do what we do today was a law that came into effect 1990 I believe. It says that a dog trained to find wounded game must be accessible within 2 hours for the deer hunter, should it be needed. Without that law we would most likely never have got a dog and we would never have found out how much joy they can bring to your home!
 
That's life folks!
 
Torsti 

Borta Med Vindens Kennel
"Ask not what your dog can do for you.
Ask what you can do for your dog."
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03/03/2008 8:05 AM  
Re: [working-gundog] Birddog video

Hi Torsti,

I managed to find the video of the working setter from Maud’s instructions:-)

Maud’s photographs are excellent.  My husband went to night school as well and bought Photoshop CS1 with 75% also, but he says the problem is you cannot upgrade it.  Mike says Adobe Lightroom is very good, allows you to organising and processing RAW photographs effectively.

We have just had two minutes of sleet, but otherwise winter has been warm; the greening of the hedgerows has begun, I looked back in my diary and in 1984 this happened two months later!

Sonia

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03/03/2008 8:11 AM  
  Mike says Adobe Lightroom is very good, allows you to organising and processing RAW photographs effectively.


Three greatest inventions of all time:

1. Fire
2. The Wheel
3. Adobe Lightroom




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03/03/2008 12:32 PM  
Yes, I found it. And "Thanks" to Maud and to you for "translation." I've noticed the "grouse" are difficult in the snow too. They begin to get "difficult" up North where I hunt them in the fall when they begin to gather into big flocks (sharptailed grouse do this too). Though they do this, and reportedly maintain large flocks through the winter in some parts of this state, I have never seen more than five at a time here. I guess I need to "get out" - "away from home" - more to learn something new. It is very interesting that it took a stupid Law to get someone interested in dogs. Maybe we need to rethink our thoughts on "government?" Speaking of books, I am indebted to Stu West for referring me to the new book "Merle's Door" by Ted Kerasote which I have almost finished. It is about a dog and dogs, dogs' learning, dogs' abilities, dog medicine, ... . It is well researched and he includes MANY references to scientific literature and more serious works on dogs. He even quotes J. B. Steen. Catching up on the references will take me a long while. I believe he has a valuable mesage for all of us who work with dogs. I have only found a few things I am sure are "wrong" Jere >>>>Do you know this site: > http://www.jagareforbundet.se/jagarfilmforum/ > > There is supposed to be a video of a setter working ptarmigan there > but I haven't found it. My Swedish is nil! > > Jere>>> > > Did you find the video from Maud's instructions? You have to scroll down a bit on > the page to see the different titles.
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03/03/2008 12:42 PM  
I enjoy Kerasote's writing a lot. I'd recommend his book "Bloodties - Nature, Culture and the Hunt" to anybody that hunts. Rob Jere Murray wrote: > Speaking of books, I am indebted to Stu West for referring me to the new book > "Merle's Door" by Ted Kerasote which I have almost finished. It is about a dog and > dogs, dogs' learning, dogs' abilities, dog medicine, ... . It is well researched > and he includes MANY references to scientific literature and more serious works on > dogs. He even quotes J. B. Steen. Catching up on the references will take me a > long while. I believe he has a valuable mesage for all of us who work with dogs. > I have only found a few things I am sure are "wrong" > > Jere > > >
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03/03/2008 12:59 PM  
Interesting video. As you say the grouse look like challenging birds to hunt. IMO the handler talks to the dog way too much, I tend to let the dog work out birds in silence, keeping commands to a minimum. Generally it's only if the dog forgets its manners, say forgetting to sit to flush, that I'll use a command. My rule of thumb is that when the bird is on the ground (and hence unseen by me) , the dog is in charge, when it's in the air the dog sits and I'm in charge.

"Latest Updates" is the correct term.

Summer is drawing to a close here, we are currently enjoying cooler lengthening nights,  the joy of Autumn/Winter afield with the dogs is just around the corner!!

Cheers,
Rob

Maud & Torsti wrote:
>>>Do you know this site:
http://www.jagareforbundet.se/jagarfilmforum/

There is supposed to be a video of a setter working ptarmigan there
but I haven't found it.  My Swedish is nil!

Jere>>>
 
Did you find the video from Maud's instructions? You have to scroll down a bit on the page to see the different titles. Then click on the picture of a setter on snow. It is only 57 seconds long so it should not take long to load with a modem. The handler is Norwegian and he uses basically tree words to guide the dog. He calms it down with the word "rolig" when it is trying to nail the restless birds. At flush he will shout "deck", a word used by Norwegians when they want to halt the dog. The dog is pretty steady anyway and would not have chased much I believe. Then he also when needed gives the dog permission to flush with an sharp, excited "jaaa!". Yes, got get them, in English. The grouse are difficult to hunt in snow and even if you may get a dinner or two you will never shoot any quantities in the winter. Some folks shoot them at a distance with a .22 rifle and that method can give more meat on the table.
 
There are different video's from crow shooting to wild boar and moose hunting with our dogs. Anyone can upload a hunting video there as long as it is kept around 2 minutes of length.
 
This is the Swedish Hunter's Associations website and it is full of all kinds of more or less useful stuff.
 
Now to motionless pictures. Maud's adventure to the mountains a little more than a week ago did not produce any meat due to extremely bad weather with snow storms and such. However the last day they had sunshine and shooting with the camera was possible. A lot of new snow had fallen and made life difficult for both dogs and handlers. Still it was the new snow that made it possible for Maud to take a lot of nice photos and in fact some of them will knock your head of! You will find them at our website under "Last Updates".
 
I believe it should be "Latest updates" to be correct English?
 
Anyway Maud started to study at the high school again. It is possible now that we have got broadband internet. Everything is done from home, at least with Maud's subject, namely Photo Editing with Adobe Photoshop. One of the reasons why she started it is that she now officially is a student. That means that she was hence able to buy the Adobe Creative Suite 3 Premium with about 75% discount, for less than 1000 dollars. She already had the CS2 but the step up to CS3 would have been huge should she have paid full price.
 
"Adobe"! We have had Adobe PS since they year 2002 or something. I have never thought much about the name "Adobe", it was just a silly company name among others. Then, some weeks ago I found an old book that I bought somewhere many decades ago. It was Elmer Keith's "Hell, I was there!". I started to read the book again. Elmer Keith, one of Americas most known hunters, riflemen and pistolero's, was born more than a 100 years ago. To my great surprise I found that he used the word "adobe"! I thought "How the bloo..he.. can a man born something like 1890 use the super modern word adobe???"
 
When I read English I usually do not look up in a lexicon every new word I find, only if I cant figure out the rough meaning of it by the context. Now I had to see what "adobe" means. It means "sun-dried bricks, construction made of sun-dried bricks". The word "adobe", that I though was a modern invention, most likely from Silicon Walley, is in fact almost as old as man himself! Well, you learn something new every time you are away from home - a friend of mine use to say.
 
Have you ever thought why I sit here behind the computer telling lies about dogs and why Maud has become such a good dog photographer and is studying photo editing? Have you ever pondered about the flow of life and how it is guided into different directions by happenings that when they happen only seems to have minor importance?
 
Well, the main reason why me and Maud do what we do today was a law that came into effect 1990 I believe. It says that a dog trained to find wounded game must be accessible within 2 hours for the deer hunter, should it be needed. Without that law we would most likely never have got a dog and we would never have found out how much joy they can bring to your home!
 
That's life folks!
 
Torsti 

Borta Med Vindens Kennel
"Ask not what your dog can do for you.
Ask what you can do for your dog."
www.rospigan.net

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03/03/2008 1:22 PM  
Re: [working-gundog] Birddog video
We have just got a couple of inches of wet snow, jump of joy :-)))
 
>>>My husband went to night school as well and bought Photoshop CS1 with 75% also, but he says the problem is you cannot upgrade it. >>>
 
I believe we upgraded all the way due the different versions from PS 5.5 to CS2. From CS2 to CS3 it is impossible to upgrade since the CS3 is basically a new program. The interface looks as it has done all the time but the software is actually entierly new. The CS3 Premium consist of, as far as I can count, 12 different programs and their total size is a number of Gigabytes so it is delivered on a DVD - disc. The price without discount is US$ 3620 in Sweden so you would not nuy it for fun only.
 
Torsti
 
Borta Med Vindens Kennel
"Ask not what your dog can do for you.
Ask what you can do for your dog."
www.rospigan.net
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03/03/2008 1:22 PM  
Craig wrote:
 
>>>Three greatest inventions of all time:

1. Fire
2. The Wheel
3. Adobe Lightroom>>>
 
I have a story about that too. When we got our first digital camera, the Nikon D70, Adobe only had a type of a plugg-in to handle the RAW files. Nikons own software is as always not particularly good. On the net I found something called "Rawshooter" and downloaded a trial version. I thought it was pretty amazing to work with so I bought the full Pro version. As I am lazy I installed the program directly from the website and did not save it on a CD as I should have done. Maud got tired of working with the dull plug in for Adobe and she wanted me to install the Rawshooter on her computer also. By that time I had burned the harddrive that the Rawshooter was installed on but I had the code to unlock it. So I went to Rawshooters website to download it again. It was not there anymore to download. Adobe had bought the whole lot! Adobe Lightroom is built on the former Rawshooter that I liked so much!
 
It took a while before the Swedish version of Lightroom was released but finally we were able to buy it. It felt like buying the Rawshooter for the second time and now the price had gone up a bit too.
 
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel
"Ask not what your dog can do for you.
Ask what you can do for your dog."
www.rospigan.net
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03/03/2008 2:51 PM  
Yes, he talks but what do we know about why he talks? The camcorder could be the reason, he wanted to be absolutely sure that there would be no unintentional flush or chasing on the tape. Or the dog could in fact be a bit unsteady. Anyway cameras and camcorders make people do strange things. They must, like dogs,  be trained until they forget the camera before they perform naturally.
 
Whatever, totally silent handling is rare over here. Once the grouse turns white they also become particularly tempting and testing for the dogs. In fact grouse in august and grouse from October, November and forward behave like two different species.
 
Torsti
Borta Med Vindens Kennel
"Ask not what your dog can do for you.
Ask what you can do for your dog."
www.rospigan.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Clay
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [working-gundog] Birddog video

Interesting video. As you say the grouse look like challenging birds to hunt. IMO the handler talks to the dog way too much, I tend to let the dog work out birds in silence, keeping commands to a minimum. Generally it's only if the dog forgets its manners, say forgetting to sit to flush, that I'll use a command. My rule of thumb is that when the bird is on the ground (and hence unseen by me) , the dog is in charge, when it's in the air the dog sits and I'm in charge.

"Latest Updates" is the correct term.

Summer is drawing to a close here, we are currently enjoying cooler lengthening nights,  the joy of Autumn/Winter afield with the dogs is just around the corner!!

Cheers,
Rob

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