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05/24/2012 11:15 AM  
No photo to document the win, no points according to AKC

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On Apr 5, 2012, at 11:50 AM, Maxine Moinier <hunterspridegsp@shaw.ca> wrote:

Isn't your ribbon proof of the award?  Then it could be assumed that the judge forgot to make his book.

Maxine
Hunterspride GSPs
Sidney, BC


On 2012-04-05, at 5:48 AM, ise454@aol.com">Dise454@aol.com wrote:

geez, didn't realize they could do that.  ugh


-----Original Message-----
From: Dena Calivas <denac@comcast.net>
To: gsp-l <gsp-l@shorthairs.net>
Sent: Thu, Apr 5, 2012 7:40 am
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] owner handler judging

Diane!
Phyllis stated the following - hence my response!
 
Since its the judges' ring to do with as he pleases then if he chooses
to award no selects, he chooses to award no selects. That's just how
it goes. They can also hand out the ribbons and not mark the box on
their book that asks...are these dogs worthy of Grand Champion points
also. That way, you get a ribbon, but still not GCh points.


 
 


From: dise454@aol.com
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 6:11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] owner handler judging

Dena,  the judge didn't hand out the ribbons.   


-----Original Message-----
From: Dena Calivas <denac@comcast.net>
To: gsp-l <gsp-l@shorthairs.net>
Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 6:02 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] owner handler judging


WOW Phyllis. that was an eye opener on not getting points when you get a Select ....then why even hand them out if they aren't going to mark the box?


From: "Phyllis McNall" <singltrakshorthairs@gmail.com>
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 11:32:16 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] owner handler judging

On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Diane Prohaska
<iane.Prohaska@pernod-ricard.com">Diane.Prohaska@pernod-ricard.com> wrote:
> Then does it go in the judges book so they know if the bob is an owner handler?

Yes, the judges' book is marked with OwnerHandler .  Its a bit less
obvious, more like an asterisk or some such but yes,the judge would
know who is an owner handler.
>
> On another matter,  recently had a judge who withheld select from very nice group of specials.  From what I heard he just didn't believe in giving select.  Has anyone else had this experience? What do you think?

When they first introduced the Gr Champion series, not a lot of
advance info had been given, judges didn't understand it, stewards
didn't understand it and a lot of judges either didn't give select
because they hated the idea or in one case out here, one judge thought
that the select ribbons went to all the winners...even WD and WB,  and
we were out of select ribbons in his ring by 10 am!  :)

Since its the judges' ring to do with as he pleases then if he chooses
to award no selects, he chooses to award no selects.  That's just how
it goes.  They can also hand out the ribbons and not mark the box on
their book that asks...are these dogs worthy of Grand Champion points
also. That way, you get a ribbon, but still not GCh points.


Phyllis McNall
Singltrak Shorthairs
AKC Breeder of Merit
Las Cruces, NM
"Look To 'the Past, Breed For The Future"


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05/24/2012 11:15 AM  


Guess we will all have to start checking the Judge's sheets. 


From: JJTAMT@aol.com
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 7:47:05 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] owner handler judging

In some of the cases you have mentioned, you need to contact the AKC rep at the show or that judge will continue to do that sort of thing..
John
 
In a message dated 4/5/2012 7:40:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, denac@comcast.net writes:

Diane!

Phyllis stated the following - hence my response!

 

Since its the judges' ring to do with as he pleases then if he chooses
to award no selects, he chooses to award no selects. That's just how
it goes. They can also hand out the ribbons and not mark the box on
their book that asks...are these dogs worthy of Grand Champion points
also. That way, you get a ribbon, but still not GCh points.



 

 


From: dise454@aol.com
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 6:11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] owner handler judging

Dena,  the judge didn't hand out the ribbons.   


-----Original Message-----
From: Dena Calivas
To: gsp-l
Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 6:02 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] owner handler judging


WOW Phyllis. that was an eye opener on not getting points when you get a Select ....then why even hand them out if they aren't going to mark the box?


From: "Phyllis McNall" <singltrakshorthairs@gmail.com>
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 11:32:16 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] owner handler judging

On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Diane Prohaska
<iane.Prohaska@pernod-ricard.com href="mailto:Diane.Prohaska@pernod-ricard.com" target=_blank>Diane.Prohaska@pernod-ricard.com> wrote:
> Then does it go in the judges book so they know if the bob is an owner handler?

Yes, the judges' book is marked with OwnerHandler .  Its a bit less
obvious, more like an asterisk or some such but yes,the judge would
know who is an owner handler.
>
> On another matter,  recently had a judge who withheld select from very nice group of specials.  From what I heard he just didn't believe in giving select.  Has anyone else had this experience? What do you think?

When they first introduced the Gr Champion series, not a lot of
advance info had been given, judges didn't understand it, stewards
didn't understand it and a lot of judges either didn't give select
because they hated the idea or in one case out here, one judge thought
that the select ribbons went to all the winners...even WD and WB,  and
we were out of select ribbons in his ring by 10 am!  :)

Since its the judges' ring to do with as he pleases then if he chooses
to award no selects, he chooses to award no selects.  That's just how
it goes.  They can also hand out the ribbons and not mark the box on
their book that asks...are these dogs worthy of Grand Champion points
also. That way, you get a ribbon, but still not GCh points.


Phyllis McNall
Singltrak Shorthairs
AKC Breeder of Merit
Las Cruces, NM
"Look To 'the Past, Breed For The Future"


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