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donnabray
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12/07/2011 4:18 PM
Patte,
In your opinion, for the outcrossing, how far back would the pedigree go for a common ancestor? For example, If I bred a bitch to a dog that had a common ancestor in say the 3rd generation, would it still be outcrossing? I guess the real question is, do you think the traits from a common ancestor on either side of a pedigree (dog and bitch) could still be passed down to a litter? I'm thinking temperment here, not genetic issues. But now that I think about it, I guess genetic issues would also be something to think about.
And the lady griping to no end about the Argentina litter, me thinks she gets it now. But it sure has brought up a lot of good discussion. I'm sick and tired of hearing someone say that "their line" this and "their line" that when I'm thinking to myself that this particular person hasn't bred in years and never keeps anything when he/she does! Isn't that kind of the point??!!
Donna Ray
Abbeville, SC
> From: chexsix@mac.com
> To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
> Subject: Re: [gsp-l] What is a breeder's "line?"
> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:32:08 -0500
>
> On Oct 17, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Donna Ray wrote: "We are having an
> interesting discussion on the border terrier list about what
> constitutes a breeder's "line." I'd like to know what folks here have
> to say."
>
> This is how my father explained inbreeding and outcross. (My family
> primarily bred hunting dogs and performance horses(Quarter and
> Thoroughbred).
>
> Inbreeding is sire/daughter - dam/son - half sibling/half sibling -
> full sibling/full sibling - uncle or aunt/niece-nephew with each half
> of the pedigree being doubled up on...
>
> Outcrossing was to breed two animals that had no common relatives on
> either side of the pedigree.
>
> Use of kennel names can be misleading if one doesn't know who actually
> bred the dogs, how many pups were in a litter, who bought them and
> what if any kennel name was used when they were registered. For
> example: Annaconti's Levi Garrett. How many GSP folks would recognize
> the Annaconti kennel name? Yet this dog came from two very
> recognizable kennel/bloodlines Weinland and Lieblinghaus.
>
> Inbreeding is not for the faint of heart as any problems in the
> genetic make-up will usually surface relatively quick. On the flip
> side it can also bring forth desired results as well.
>
> About the Argentina litter...If her bitch shares no common relatives
> with the rest of the dogs in the pedigree, "the lady doth protest too
> much..."
>
> Patte Titus
> CheckSix Shorthairs
>
>
>
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