----- Original Message -----

From: Leita Estes

To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net

Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:05 PM

Subject: Re: Fwd: [gsp-l] LD Clear by Parentage from 9/2

I think this a good idea for the most part, but there are times when i travel that I take a break from email. So if everyone can be patient for an answer it would be great. If you send a private email to me as well as the full committee we will do our best to answer the question. We will answer it publicly with your permission. Feel free to text me or call me on my cell as well. As long as I am in the country i will get the message.

 

Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers
Home of Multiple BIS, BISS GCh Shortales N Cahoots W Irondale, JH
# 1 GSP 2011
1 Spotty dog (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point

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From: Laura Wood
To: "gsp-l@shorthairs.net"
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: [gsp-l] LD Clear by Parentage from 9/2

Absolutely Leita, but don't you think that misinformation is too easily spread if you have too many people in the H/W giving out info that may be incorrect ??

These tests aren't cheap,and when you have info put on here by more than one person within the H/W it leads to confusion,and mis-spent money.

I can't help feeling for the people that have spent a lot of money on tests when they didn't have to, because they were given the wrong info from someone on here.

I for one would feel a lot more confident getting the info from "one" person within the H/W

 

Laura Wood

Woods Hafen GSP's

From: Leita Estes
To: "gsp-l@shorthairs.net"
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: [gsp-l] LD Clear by Parentage from 9/2

I think part of the problem is the OFA policy on cleared by parentage (which we are looking into) and the fact that if you breed 2 clears you can only produce clear. OFA has the last word as to how they will run their database and we will have to go along with their decision. They have been at least willing to clear 1 generation by parentage they could have chosen to only accept DNA tested dogs. All this genetic testing is new in the scheme of things and OFA is taking their database seriously and are doing what they feels is the best for the dogs and breeders. As more tests are developed and the time test progresses I am sure we will be seeing changes as well but it will take years so we must be patient.

Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers
Home of Multiple BIS, BISS GCh Shortales N Cahoots W Irondale, JH
# 1 GSP 2011
1 Spotty dog (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point

From: Laura Wood
To: "gsp-l@shorthairs.net"
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: [gsp-l] LD Clear by Parentage from 9/2

Maybe there should also be "ONE" spokesperson only in the H/W to be answering and giving out important information on these matters,, "TOO many cooks in the kitchen" as they say :>)

 

 

Laura Wood

Woods Hafen GSP's

From: Tracy Novoa
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:52 AM
Subject: Fwd: [gsp-l] LD Clear by Parentage from 9/2

Here's the original string of emails, starting with my post at the bottom and my request for clarification going unanswered.  For those wondering why...

 

What I have hi-lighted should have been a big RED FLAG immediately!!!

Off to earn my paycheck to support my hobbies...

 

From: gsp-l-request@shorthairs.net [mailto:gsp-l-request@shorthairs.net] On Behalf Of Tracy Novoa
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 4:49 PM
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Subject: [gsp-l] Clear by Parentage

 

I need to revisit this and I have not read the OFA "policy".

 

There are a lot of people under the impression that a "normal" dog x "normal" dog will produce "normal" offspring.  Are they (OFA) suggesting then that the test may identify a carrier but does not really rule out the dog is a non-carrier? 

 

My results are 1:1 "Normal"

 

Interpretation:

1:1 (Normal) dogs will not develop Lupoid Dermatosis nor will they pass a Lupoid Dermatosis-causing gene to their offspring.

 

1:2 (Carrier) dogs will not develop Lupoid Dermatosis but are carriers of the Lupoid Dermatosis gene.  There is a 50% chance that a carrier dog will pass the Lupoid Dermatosis-causing gene to each of his or her offspring.

Given what's underlined above, how could this not produce clear-by-parentage?  What is the Univ. of Penn's take on this?  I'm not happy about throwing $75 away when it could've just been applied directly to the daughter being bred. 

 

This needs clarification or the test isn't completely reliable!

 

Tracy Novoa

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Gspdoo <Gspdoo@aol.com>
To: gsp-l <gsp-l@shorthairs.net>
Cc: Mariahgsps <Mariahgsps@aol.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 1, 2011 7:34 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] More LD Clearances -- cleared by parentage correction

Hi Tracy -- we have been going round and round about this too in the MARIAH family about clearance by parentage because there are lots of sires and dams being cleared -- and I have given some of my puppy owners what I now believe is incorrect information.

 

The policy of OFA is to clear by parentage only in the case that the test is for the actual gene causing the disease (as in CD). Because the test for LD is a marker test (it tests a genetic range where the gene is likely to be) it is not eligible for clearance by parentage because there is a possible margin of error.

 

Here is the link to the policy on OFA  http://www.offa.org/cbp.html

 

This is not a reason to stop testing -- Dr. Casal and her team are using all the dna material we send to help them identify the actual gene so that we may have a gene specific test. As I understand it from OFA, until then, all dogs have to be cleared individually. We were very lucky with CD because we were able to piggy-back on the research being done on Malemutes -- but since this is apparently a disease specific to GSPs, the research team had to start from scratch.

 

In the meantime, congratulations on Pebbles.

 

If anyone has any information to the contrary of the above, please let me know.

 

Sandra Kretz

MARIAH

 

 

In a message dated 8/29/2011 3:24:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gspfreak@aol.com writes:

"Pebbles" - CH Woodlands Gem 'n I Huntabird RE SH, VC, NA PZIII

Has tested "NORMAL" for Lupoid Dermatosis.

 

This now will also clear 8 of her offspring, by Ziggy, 2 of which are:

 

"Bella" - GCH CH Schutzen's Bella Stardust Bandelli

 

"Ruger" - CH Schutzen's Lock 'N Load MH

 

 

Tracy Novoa

Schutzen GSPs