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shortales

MH
Posts:336

05/27/2011 8:37 AM

Hi all
I have had several emails asking about which tests to order. The MCR1(name of test) gene is for yellow and the dilute (name of test) is for the MLPH (grey). Please remember to let me know the results so we can get a sense of just where we are.

Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point

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JH
Posts:38

05/27/2011 8:47 AM

Leita,

I may have missed it (packing puppies out the door with their new owners), but can you reiterate where you order the tests and the cost?

Sunnie

Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 07:33:37 -0700
From: shortales@rocketmail.com
Subject: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net

shortales

MH
Posts:336

05/27/2011 8:55 AM

The cost is $45 for the first test and $25 for each additional test. I would recommend the test for yellow (which is most likely the cause of the lemon GSP's we have seen advertised on the internet) called MCR1 and the test for dilute ( for the grey color)for a total of $70.

UC Davis offers a DNA color panel that will test for MLPH.
http://www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/services/coatcolordog.php

Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point

--- On Fri, 5/27/11, Sunnie Fair wrote:

From: Sunnie Fair
Subject: RE: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis
To: "GSP List"
Date: Friday, May 27, 2011, 2:44 PM

Leita,

I may have missed it (packing puppies out the door with their new owners), but can you reiterate where you order the tests and the cost?

Sunnie

Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 07:33:37 -0700
From: shortales@rocketmail.com
Subject: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net

Hi all
I have had several emails asking about which tests to order. The MCR1(name of test) gene is for yellow and the dilute (name of test) is for the MLPH (grey). Please remember to let me know the results so we can get a sense of just where we are.

Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point

Hilyer

JH
Posts:29

05/27/2011 9:16 AM

Hi Leita,

Can you confirm that both sire and dam need to be carriers in order for the silver/grey to show up in the pups? Are you collecting data from the tests? I'm ordering a kit today.

Best regards,

Fiona

From: Leita Estes

Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 7:51 AM

To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net

Subject: RE: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis

UC Davis offers a DNA color panel that will test for MLPH.
http://www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/services/coatcolordog.php

Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point

--- On Fri, 5/27/11, Sunnie Fair wrote:

From: Sunnie Fair
Subject: RE: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis
To: "GSP List"
Date: Friday, May 27, 2011, 2:44 PM

Leita,

I may have missed it (packing puppies out the door with their new owners), but can you reiterate where you order the tests and the cost?

Sunnie

Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 07:33:37 -0700
From: shortales@rocketmail.com
Subject: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net

Hi all
I have had several emails asking about which tests to order. The MCR1(name of test) gene is for yellow and the dilute (name of test) is for the MLPH (grey). Please remember to let me know the results so we can get a sense of just where we are.

Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point

DJSLand

JH
Posts:24

05/27/2011 10:03 AM
I havent been this talkative on this list in years !!! But at this point I wanted to take this discussion a bit further. First, I want to thank Leita from the bottom of my heart. This outstanding woman has been my rock throughout this ordeal for me. Not only did she discover that UC Davis had a coat color genetic test for the dilute gene in less than 48 hours after my initial call to her - she has reached out to me as a friend and as a fellow breeder. My puppies are less than 2 weeks at this point and look at how much has been done in such a short time - pretty amazing !!! So I have 4 "gray" puppies. So there is a test in place. So many people have said they will be testing their dogs. Now as a group are we ALL going to take the high road going forward ???????????? What I am wondering is will "all" breeders disclose the results from their tests or will we end up with a database similar to CD where people only send in "favorable" results ?? How does this help us as group of breeders ?? It really only serves the individual breeder if you keep your results private. I am sure a handful of you on the list will be able to answer my next question(s). Is OFA the "keeper" of all of the CD test results ? Leita does it make sense to have OFA be the eventual registry for the dilute test results as well ? I really havent been on the OFA web site in quite awhile so excuse my ignorance but are the actual results (with dog info) for the CD test available to the public or do they just have numbers of how many tested, how many clear and how many carriers ?? What are our options moving forward with a database ?? I know people are afraid to send in undesirable results for any test. We are afraid of the harsh comments and the bad mouthing that follows - hey, now I know first hand how tough it can be. But this is a coat color gene test, this is not about dogs losing their eye sight. Can we work together as a community for a change ???????????? Diane / Panamint GSPs

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MH
Posts:92

05/27/2011 10:28 AM
Amen, Diane Carol Cronk Autumn's GSP's & PRT's Home of *CH Berihill Bye Bye Love JH "Candi"* Home of BOB Winner *CH StoneBrook's Autumn Mist "Charli"* Home of the 2005 Westminster BIS *NSC, BIS, BISS CH Kan-Points VJK Autumn Roses "CARLEE"* From: gsp-l-request@shorthairs.net [mailto:gsp-l-request@shorthairs.net] On Behalf Of DJSLand@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 8:52 AM To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net Subject: Re: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis I havent been this talkative on this list in years !!! But at this point I wanted to take this discussion a bit further. First, I want to thank Leita from the bottom of my heart. This outstanding woman has been my rock throughout this ordeal for me. Not only did she discover that UC Davis had a coat color genetic test for the dilute gene in less than 48 hours after my initial call to her - she has reached out to me as a friend and as a fellow breeder. My puppies are less than 2 weeks at this point and look at how much has been done in such a short time - pretty amazing !!! So I have 4 "gray" puppies. So there is a test in place. So many people have said they will be testing their dogs. Now as a group are we ALL going to take the high road going forward ???????????? What I am wondering is will "all" breeders disclose the results from their tests or will we end up with a database similar to CD where people only send in "favorable" results ?? How does this help us as group of breeders ?? It really only serves the individual breeder if you keep your results private. I am sure a handful of you on the list will be able to answer my next question(s). Is OFA the "keeper" of all of the CD test results ? Leita does it make sense to have OFA be the eventual registry for the dilute test results as well ? I really havent been on the OFA web site in quite awhile so excuse my ignorance but are the actual results (with dog info) for the CD test available to the public or do they just have numbers of how many tested, how many clear and how many carriers ?? What are our options moving forward with a database ?? I know people are afraid to send in undesirable results for any test. We are afraid of the harsh comments and the bad mouthing that follows - hey, now I know first hand how tough it can be. But this is a coat color gene test, this is not about dogs losing their eye sight. Can we work together as a community for a change ???????????? Diane / Panamint GSPs No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3662 - Release Date: 05/26/11

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MH
Posts:73

05/27/2011 10:46 AM
Kudos again Diane, and Yes, I will do this testing,and encourage all others as well !! Big Hugs to your beautiful litter !!!!! Laura Wood Woods Hafen GSP's From: "DJSLand@aol.com" To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 11:51:58 AM Subject: Re: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis I havent been this talkative on this list in years !!! But at this point I wanted to take this discussion a bit further. First, I want to thank Leita from the bottom of my heart. This outstanding woman has been my rock throughout this ordeal for me. Not only did she discover that UC Davis had a coat color genetic test for the dilute gene in less than 48 hours after my initial call to her - she has reached out to me as a friend and as a fellow breeder. My puppies are less than 2 weeks at this point and look at how much has been done in such a short time - pretty amazing !!! So I have 4 "gray" puppies. So there is a test in place. So many people have said they will be testing their dogs. Now as a group are we ALL going to take the high road going forward ???????????? What I am wondering is will "all" breeders disclose the results from their tests or will we end up with a database similar to CD where people only send in "favorable" results ?? How does this help us as group of breeders ?? It really only serves the individual breeder if you keep your results private. I am sure a handful of you on the list will be able to answer my next question(s). Is OFA the "keeper" of all of the CD test results ? Leita does it make sense to have OFA be the eventual registry for the dilute test results as well ? I really havent been on the OFA web site in quite awhile so excuse my ignorance but are the actual results (with dog info) for the CD test available to the public or do they just have numbers of how many tested, how many clear and how many carriers ?? What are our options moving forward with a database ?? I know people are afraid to send in undesirable results for any test. We are afraid of the harsh comments and the bad mouthing that follows - hey, now I know first hand how tough it can be. But this is a coat color gene test, this is not about dogs losing their eye sight. Can we work together as a community for a change ???????????? Diane / Panamint GSPs

ingeclody

San Diego

MH
Posts:115

05/27/2011 10:52 AM

RE;

What I am wondering is will "all" breeders disclose the results from their tests or will we end up with a database similar to CD where people only send in "favorable" results ?? How does this help us as group of breeders ?? It really only serves the individual breeder if you keep your results private.

Apparently all you need to do is test the sire and dam. It doesn't matter if all results are published, although it would be nice

--- On Fri, 5/27/11, DJSLand@aol.com wrote:

From: DJSLand@aol.com
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Date: Friday, May 27, 2011, 8:51 AM

I havent been this talkative on this list in years !!! But at this point I wanted to take this discussion a bit further.

First, I want to thank Leita from the bottom of my heart. This outstanding woman has been my rock throughout this ordeal for me. Not only did she discover that UC Davis had a coat color genetic test for the dilute gene in less than 48 hours after my initial call to her - she has reached out to me as a friend and as a fellow breeder. My puppies are less than 2 weeks at this point and look at how much has been done in such a short time - pretty amazing !!!

So I have 4 "gray" puppies. So there is a test in place. So many people have said they will be testing their dogs. Now as a group are we ALL going to take the high road going forward ????????????

What I am wondering is will "all" breeders disclose the results from their tests or will we end up with a database similar to CD where people only send in "favorable" results ?? How does this help us as group of breeders ?? It really only serves the individual breeder if you keep your results private.

I am sure a handful of you on the list will be able to answer my next question(s). Is OFA the "keeper" of all of the CD test results ? Leita does it make sense to have OFA be the eventual registry for the dilute test results as well ? I really havent been on the OFA web site in quite awhile so excuse my ignorance but are the actual results (with dog info) for the CD test available to the public or do they just have numbers of how many tested, how many clear and how many carriers ?? What are our options moving forward with a database ??

I know people are afraid to send in undesirable results for any test. We are afraid of the harsh comments and the bad mouthing that follows - hey, now I know first hand how tough it can be. But this is a coat color gene test, this is not about dogs losing their eye sight. Can we work together as a community for a change ????????????

Diane / Panamint GSPs

shortales

MH
Posts:336

05/27/2011 11:58 AM

I think now the "grey cat's out of the bag" just like CD anyone that is looking for a dog to breed will ask if the dogs has been tested and the results are.

I am very proud of our GSP community for stepping up to the plate and testing their dogs. Ever since we have had the CD test we do 40-60 dogs every year at the NSS for the reduced rate. Now that Optigen offers a $75 test for dogs that have been cleared by parentage even more people are testing on their own all during the year.

The H&W committee is working to expand our database. Terina that has been entering CD data on the database has just offered to add a column for Dilute and LD.

These is a perfect time to ask people to send in test results to Terina her email is SouthMtnGSPs@aol.com

Attached you will find the form for the CD data base. Missy will soon be posting the forms for CD, LD, Dilute.

Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point

--- On Fri, 5/27/11, Inge Clody wrote:

From: Inge Clody
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Date: Friday, May 27, 2011, 4:47 PM

RE;
What I am wondering is will "all" breeders disclose the results from their tests or will we end up with a database similar to CD where people only send in "favorable" results ?? How does this help us as group of breeders ?? It really only serves the individual breeder if you keep your results private.

Apparently all you need to do is test the sire and dam. It doesn't matter if all results are published, although it would be nice

--- On Fri, 5/27/11, DJSLand@aol.com wrote:

From: DJSLand@aol.com
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Date: Friday, May 27, 2011, 8:51 AM

I havent been this talkative on this list in years !!! But at this point I wanted to take this discussion a bit further.

First, I want to thank Leita from the bottom of my heart. This outstanding woman has been my rock throughout this ordeal for me. Not only did she discover that UC Davis had a coat color genetic test for the dilute gene in less than 48 hours after my initial call to her - she has reached out to me as a friend and as a fellow breeder. My puppies are less than 2 weeks at this point and look at how much has been done in such a short time - pretty amazing !!!

So I have 4 "gray" puppies. So there is a test in place. So many people have said they will be testing their dogs. Now as a group are we ALL going to take the high road going forward ????????????

What I am wondering is will "all" breeders disclose the results from their tests or will we end up with a database similar to CD where people only send in "favorable" results ?? How does this help us as group of breeders ?? It really only serves the individual breeder if you keep your results private.

I am sure a handful of you on the list will be able to answer my next question(s). Is OFA the "keeper" of all of the CD test results ? Leita does it make sense to have OFA be the eventual registry for the dilute test results as well ? I really havent been on the OFA web site in quite awhile so excuse my ignorance but are the actual results (with dog info) for the CD test available to the public or do they just have numbers of how many tested, how many clear and how many carriers ?? What are our options moving forward with a database ??

I know people are afraid to send in undesirable results for any test. We are afraid of the harsh comments and the bad mouthing that follows - hey, now I know first hand how tough it can be. But this is a coat color gene test, this is not about dogs losing their eye sight. Can we work together as a community for a change ????????????

Diane / Panamint GSPs

shortales

MH
Posts:336

05/27/2011 12:56 PM

I will say OFFA is great about adding genetic test results. You just have to send it to them and pay the fee.
The H&W committee is really looking forward to expanding our database to include all DNA tests as they are available.
I will say that now I am off the BOD I have more time to commit (which is part of the reason for not putting my name back in the hat) to my special interest!

There will always be "the sky is falling" people in our breed but there are more of us that aren't and we need to band together and not let "Witch Hunters" prevail. As Daine just wrote me in a email I have big shoulders and tough skin especially when it comes to doing the best for our breed and keeping an open mind and heart as health and welfare issues pop up. This is my expertise and passion and I won't tolerate bad behavior from others attacking anyone trying to do the right thing. I am in your corner. I will go down fighting ;-)

Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point

--- On Fri, 5/27/11, Carol Cronk wrote:

From: Carol Cronk
Subject: RE: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Date: Friday, May 27, 2011, 4:25 PM

Amen, Diane

Carol Cronk
Autumn's GSP's & PRT's
Home of CH Berihill Bye Bye Love JH "Candi"
Home of BOB Winner CH StoneBrook's Autumn Mist "Charli"
Home of the 2005 Westminster BIS NSC, BIS, BISS CH Kan-Points VJK Autumn Roses "CARLEE"

From: gsp-l-request@shorthairs.net [mailto:gsp-l-request@shorthairs.net] On Behalf Of DJSLand@aol.com
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 8:52 AM
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis

I havent been this talkative on this list in years !!! But at this point I wanted to take this discussion a bit further.

First, I want to thank Leita from the bottom of my heart. This outstanding woman has been my rock throughout this ordeal for me. Not only did she discover that UC Davis had a coat color genetic test for the dilute gene in less than 48 hours after my initial call to her - she has reached out to me as a friend and as a fellow breeder. My puppies are less than 2 weeks at this point and look at how much has been done in such a short time - pretty amazing !!!

So I have 4 "gray" puppies. So there is a test in place. So many people have said they will be testing their dogs. Now as a group are we ALL going to take the high road going forward ????????????

What I am wondering is will "all" breeders disclose the results from their tests or will we end up with a database similar to CD where people only send in "favorable" results ?? How does this help us as group of breeders ?? It really only serves the individual breeder if you keep your results private.

I am sure a handful of you on the list will be able to answer my next question(s). Is OFA the "keeper" of all of the CD test results ? Leita does it make sense to have OFA be the eventual registry for the dilute test results as well ? I really havent been on the OFA web site in quite awhile so excuse my ignorance but are the actual results (with dog info) for the CD test available to the public or do they just have numbers of how many tested, how many clear and how many carriers ?? What are our options moving forward with a database ??

I know people are afraid to send in undesirable results for any test. We are afraid of the harsh comments and the bad mouthing that follows - hey, now I know first hand how tough it can be. But this is a coat color gene test, this is not about dogs losing their eye sight. Can we work together as a community for a change ????????????

Diane / Panamint GSPs
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JH
Posts:38

05/27/2011 1:20 PM

Cheers to Leita and Diane for doing the right thing. And Leita, please don't go down fighting we need you.

Sunnie Fair

Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 11:52:29 -0700
From: shortales@rocketmail.com
Subject: RE: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net

From: Carol Cronk
Subject: RE: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Date: Friday, May 27, 2011, 4:25 PM

Amen, Diane

Carol Cronk

Autumn's GSP's & PRT's

Home of CH Berihill Bye Bye Love JH "Candi"

Home of BOB Winner CH StoneBrook's Autumn Mist "Charli"

Home of the 2005 Westminster BIS NSC, BIS, BISS CH Kan-Points VJK Autumn Roses "CARLEE"

From: gsp-l-request@shorthairs.net [mailto:gsp-l-request@shorthairs.net] On Behalf Of DJSLand@aol.com
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 8:52 AM
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis

I havent been this talkative on this list in years !!! But at this point I wanted to take this discussion a bit further.

First, I want to thank Leita from the bottom of my heart. This outstanding woman has been my rock throughout this ordeal for me. Not only did she discover that UC Davis had a coat color genetic test for the dilute gene in less than 48 hours after my initial call to her - she has reached out to me as a friend and as a fellow breeder. My puppies are less than 2 weeks at this point and look at how much has been done in such a short time - pretty amazing !!!

So I have 4 "gray" puppies. So there is a test in place. So many people have said they will be testing their dogs. Now as a group are we ALL going to take the high road going forward ????????????

What I am wondering is will "all" breeders disclose the results from their tests or will we end up with a database similar to CD where people only send in "favorable" results ?? How does this help us as group of breeders ?? It really only serves the individual breeder if you keep your results private.

I am sure a handful of you on the list will be able to answer my next question(s). Is OFA the "keeper" of all of the CD test results ? Leita does it make sense to have OFA be the eventual registry for the dilute test results as well ? I really havent been on the OFA web site in quite awhile so excuse my ignorance but are the actual results (with dog info) for the CD test available to the public or do they just have numbers of how many tested, how many clear and how many carriers ?? What are our options moving forward with a database ??

I know people are afraid to send in undesirable results for any test. We are afraid of the harsh comments and the bad mouthing that follows - hey, now I know first hand how tough it can be. But this is a coat color gene test, this is not about dogs losing their eye sight. Can we work together as a community for a change ????????????

Diane / Panamint GSPs

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DJSLand

JH
Posts:24

05/27/2011 2:53 PM
Hi Inge : I beg to differ. If results from this test (like all others) were published if would save us all both financially and emotionally while moving forward with our breeding programs. I dont know if I will ever breed another litter (dont ask me today, maybe 6 months from now I might change my mind . . . . ) but if I was breeding a bitch of mine who was already tested and I was in the process of researching stud dogs knowing test results/ information could help me in my search. Diane / Panamint GSPs

ingeclody

San Diego

MH
Posts:115

05/27/2011 5:32 PM

Oh, I totally agree with you. What I was referring to was your statement

"What I am wondering is will "all" breeders disclose the results from their tests or will we end up with a database similar to CD where people only send in "favorable" results ??

As long as sire and dam test clear, that is all you need.

--- On Fri, 5/27/11, DJSLand@aol.com wrote:

From: DJSLand@aol.com
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Date: Friday, May 27, 2011, 1:51 PM

Hi Inge : I beg to differ. If results from this test (like all others) were published if would save us all both financially and emotionally while moving forward with our breeding programs.

I dont know if I will ever breed another litter (dont ask me today, maybe 6 months from now I might change my mind . . . . ) but if I was breeding a bitch of mine who was already tested and I was in the process of researching stud dogs knowing test results/ information could help me in my search.

Diane / Panamint GSPs

Gspdoo

MH
Posts:326

05/27/2011 5:37 PM
Hey Diane -- I can tell you are feeling better about all of this --- First, I believe OFA only posts the results of genetic tests for diseases. If you look under labs, none of their color results -- which have been going along for a long time -- are posted. I suppose, if we felt it was important to post the not positive for MHLP results, Leita would have to contact OFA and set something up. I don't know how they would view this -- there is nothing wrong with a dog carrying the MHLP gene other than the originators of the breed chose to breed for dark liver rather than dilute. So they may or may not be willing to post the results on the website. Second, UC Davis will have all of the results, just like Optigen has for CD. Periodically Optigen has been willing to say how many tests have been done and what the rate of carriers has been found (I think either Leita or Cathy has gotten that information and posted it to the List in the past). I think it would be helpful if Leita could set something up with UC Davis at the outset so that we can get some reports on the prevalence of MHLP in the breed, say every 6 months or so. That is an important fact to know -- whether this is an isolated instance or if it is more widespread. Then it will be up to individual owners, either of dogs or bitches to make their results known -- certainly I would think people will be asking before they breed. But there is an even wider issue -- I think if you would take the whole spectrum of GSP breeders around the country, most of them wouldn't think twice if a puppy like Val's showed up in their litter -- they would just think it is a little less brown than littermates, and the puppy would be registered and sold. Breeders don't know that this MHLP gene even exists -- none of us did before this week! What we want to prevent is people trying to sell these puppies as rare and highly priced, like some are apparently doing already with the yellow, saying they are gelber brand. We have an opportunity to get out ahead of this, declare it for what it is -- an undesired color (perhaps even put something on the GSPCA website under color) and make sure people don't try to mislead the public. That puppy of Val's sure is cute! I can see where some potential buyers would pick her right out of the litter. Sandra Kretz MARIAH In a message dated 5/27/2011 12:01:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, DJSLand@aol.com writes: I havent been this talkative on this list in years !!! But at this point I wanted to take this discussion a bit further. First, I want to thank Leita from the bottom of my heart. This outstanding woman has been my rock throughout this ordeal for me. Not only did she discover that UC Davis had a coat color genetic test for the dilute gene in less than 48 hours after my initial call to her - she has reached out to me as a friend and as a fellow breeder. My puppies are less than 2 weeks at this point and look at how much has been done in such a short time - pretty amazing !!! So I have 4 "gray" puppies. So there is a test in place. So many people have said they will be testing their dogs. Now as a group are we ALL going to take the high road going forward ???????????? What I am wondering is will "all" breeders disclose the results from their tests or will we end up with a database similar to CD where people only send in "favorable" results ?? How does this help us as group of breeders ?? It really only serves the individual breeder if you keep your results private. I am sure a handful of you on the list will be able to answer my next question(s). Is OFA the "keeper" of all of the CD test results ? Leita does it make sense to have OFA be the eventual registry for the dilute test results as well ? I really havent been on the OFA web site in quite awhile so excuse my ignorance but are the actual results (with dog info) for the CD test available to the public or do they just have numbers of how many tested, how many clear and how many carriers ?? What are our options moving forward with a database ?? I know people are afraid to send in undesirable results for any test. We are afraid of the harsh comments and the bad mouthing that follows - hey, now I know first hand how tough it can be. But this is a coat color gene test, this is not about dogs losing their eye sight. Can we work together as a community for a change ???????????? Diane / Panamint GSPs

windkisst

SH
Posts:52

05/28/2011 6:35 AM
Diane, I was wondering if the OFA would consider registering test results on our dogs results pages for this gene marker test? I actually had sent my results for the lupoid dermatosis marker test into OFA and they sent it back stating this is not a DNA Test that OFA accepts. I found that odd... Thanks for being sooo honest and teaching all of us! Diane Krause -----Original Message----- From: DJSLand@aol.com To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 4:51 pm Subject: Re: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis Hi Inge : I beg to differ. If results from this test (like all others) were published if would save us all both financially and emotionally while moving forward with our breeding programs. I dont know if I will ever breed another litter (dont ask me today, maybe 6 months from now I might change my mind . . . . ) but if I was breeding a bitch of mine who was already tested and I was in the process of researching stud dogs knowing test results/ information could help me in my search. Diane / Panamint GSPs

shortales

MH
Posts:336

05/28/2011 10:10 AM

When I spoke to OFFA they had already recorded 2 LD tests. Did you send in the test results and the DNA recording fee?

As I just sent out for the dilute test we are in the data collection mode. Missy will soon be posting the new forms for the GSPCA Genetic Registry which will include CD, LD and dilute. Data collection is a rather slow process but very important.

Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point

--- On Sat, 5/28/11, Diane Krause wrote:

From: Diane Krause
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Date: Saturday, May 28, 2011, 12:33 PM

Diane,

I was wondering if the OFA would consider registering test results on our dogs results pages for this gene marker test? I actually had sent my results for the lupoid dermatosis marker test into OFA and they sent it back stating this is not a DNA Test that OFA accepts. I found that odd...

Thanks for being sooo honest and teaching all of us!

Diane Krause

-----Original Message-----
From: DJSLand@aol.com
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 4:51 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis

Hi Inge : I beg to differ. If results from this test (like all others) were published if would save us all both financially and emotionally while moving forward with our breeding programs.

I dont know if I will ever breed another litter (dont ask me today, maybe 6 months from now I might change my mind . . . . ) but if I was breeding a bitch of mine who was already tested and I was in the process of researching stud dogs knowing test results/ information could help me in my search.

Diane / Panamint GSPs

windkisst

SH
Posts:52

05/28/2011 6:32 PM

Leita,

Wow - that is weird...I sent out a check, copy of the test results & the OFA paper.

I will resend it!

Thanks,

Diane

-----Original Message-----
From: Leita Estes
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Sat, May 28, 2011 12:07 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis

From: Diane Krause <windkisst@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Date: Saturday, May 28, 2011, 12:33 PM

Diane,

I was wondering if the OFA would consider registering test results on our dogs results pages for this gene marker test? I actually had sent my results for the lupoid dermatosis marker test into OFA and they sent it back stating this is not a DNA Test that OFA accepts. I found that odd...

Thanks for being sooo honest and teaching all of us!

Diane Krause

-----Original Message-----
From: JSLand@aol.com">DJSLand@aol.com
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 4:51 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis

Hi Inge : I beg to differ. If results from this test (like all others) were published if would save us all both financially and emotionally while moving forward with our breeding programs.

I dont know if I will ever breed another litter (dont ask me today, maybe 6 months from now I might change my mind . . . . ) but if I was breeding a bitch of mine who was already tested and I was in the process of researching stud dogs knowing test results/ information could help me in my search.

Diane / Panamint GSPs

shortales

MH
Posts:336

05/29/2011 7:41 AM

Put a note in there that it is a new test for GSP's only and you know the first 2 dogs are already entered.

Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point

--- On Sun, 5/29/11, Diane Krause wrote:

From: Diane Krause
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Date: Sunday, May 29, 2011, 12:30 AM

Leita,

Wow - that is weird...I sent out a check, copy of the test results & the OFA paper.

I will resend it!

Thanks,

Diane

-----Original Message-----
From: Leita Estes
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Sat, May 28, 2011 12:07 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis

When I spoke to OFFA they had already recorded 2 LD tests. Did you send in the test results and the DNA recording fee?

As I just sent out for the dilute test we are in the data collection mode. Missy will soon be posting the new forms for the GSPCA Genetic Registry which will include CD, LD and dilute. Data collection is a rather slow process but very important.

Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point

--- On Sat, 5/28/11, Diane Krause <windkisst@aol.com> wrote:

From: Diane Krause <windkisst@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Date: Saturday, May 28, 2011, 12:33 PM

Diane,

I was wondering if the OFA would consider registering test results on our dogs results pages for this gene marker test? I actually had sent my results for the lupoid dermatosis marker test into OFA and they sent it back stating this is not a DNA Test that OFA accepts. I found that odd...

Thanks for being sooo honest and teaching all of us!

Diane Krause

-----Original Message-----
From: JSLand@aol.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=DJSLand@aol.com">DJSLand@aol.com
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 4:51 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis

Hi Inge : I beg to differ. If results from this test (like all others) were published if would save us all both financially and emotionally while moving forward with our breeding programs.

I dont know if I will ever breed another litter (dont ask me today, maybe 6 months from now I might change my mind . . . . ) but if I was breeding a bitch of mine who was already tested and I was in the process of researching stud dogs knowing test results/ information could help me in my search.

Diane / Panamint GSPs

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Posts:40

05/29/2011 1:20 PM
Not arguing here, just being a very Curious George. Is this dilute liver color within our Standard? If so what would be wrong with registering and selling a pup of this color? What about exhibiting this color variation in conformation? This is not quite the same thing as claiming a lemon is a rare "Gelber Brand". The color 'lemon' is clearly excluded from our standard. Is the Fancy in agreement that this is an undesirable color? I have my own personal preferences on color, yet I adamantly defend the legitimacy of any breed example with color and coat pattern that is within standard. Char R White River Shorthairs whiteriver@embarqmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Gspdoo@aol.com To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net Cc: Mariahgsps@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 7:26:21 PM Subject: Re: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis Hey Diane -- I can tell you are feeling better about all of this --- First, I believe OFA only posts the results of genetic tests for diseases. If you look under labs, none of their color results -- which have been going along for a long time -- are posted. I suppose, if we felt it was important to post the not positive for MHLP results, Leita would have to contact OFA and set something up. I don't know how they would view this -- there is nothing wrong with a dog carrying the MHLP gene other than the originators of the breed chose to breed for dark liver rather than dilute. So they may or may not be willing to post the results on the website. Second, UC Davis will have all of the results, just like Optigen has for CD. Periodically Optigen has been willing to say how many tests have been done and what the rate of carriers has been found (I think either Leita or Cathy has gotten that information and posted it to the List in the past). I think it would be helpful if Leita could set something up with UC Davis at the outset so that we can get some reports on the prevalence of MHLP in the breed, say every 6 months or so. That is an important fact to know -- whether this is an isolated instance or if it is more widespread. Then it will be up to individual owners, either of dogs or bitches to make their results known -- certainly I would think people will be asking before they breed. But there is an even wider issue -- I think if you would take the whole spectrum of GSP breeders around the country, most of them wouldn't think twice if a puppy like Val's showed up in their litter -- they would just think it is a little less brown than littermates, and the puppy would be registered and sold. Breeders don't know that this MHLP gene even exists -- none of us did before this week! What we want to prevent is people trying to sell these puppies as rare and highly priced, like some are apparently doing already with the yellow, saying they are gelber brand. We have an opportunity to get out ahead of this, declare it for what it is -- an undesired color (perhaps even put something on the GSPCA website under color) and make sure people don't try to mislead the public. That puppy of Val's sure is cute! I can see where some potential buyers would pick her right out of the litter. Sandra Kretz MARIAH In a message dated 5/27/2011 12:01:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, DJSLand@aol.com writes: I havent been this talkative on this list in years !!! But at this point I wanted to take this discussion a bit further. First, I want to thank Leita from the bottom of my heart. This outstanding woman has been my rock throughout this ordeal for me. Not only did she discover that UC Davis had a coat color genetic test for the dilute gene in less than 48 hours after my initial call to her - she has reached out to me as a friend and as a fellow breeder. My puppies are less than 2 weeks at this point and look at how much has been done in such a short time - pretty amazing !!! So I have 4 "gray" puppies. So there is a test in place. So many people have said they will be testing their dogs. Now as a group are we ALL going to take the high road going forward ???????????? What I am wondering is will "all" breeders disclose the results from their tests or will we end up with a database similar to CD where people only send in "favorable" results ?? How does this help us as group of breeders ?? It really only serves the individual breeder if you keep your results private. I am sure a handful of you on the list will be able to answer my next question(s). Is OFA the "keeper" of all of the CD test results ? Leita does it make sense to have OFA be the eventual registry for the dilute test results as well ? I really havent been on the OFA web site in quite awhile so excuse my ignorance but are the actual results (with dog info) for the CD test available to the public or do they just have numbers of how many tested, how many clear and how many carriers ?? What are our options moving forward with a database ?? I know people are afraid to send in undesirable results for any test. We are afraid of the harsh comments and the bad mouthing that follows - hey, now I know first hand how tough it can be. But this is a coat color gene test, this is not about dogs losing their eye sight. Can we work together as a community for a change ???????????? Diane / Panamint GSPs

autumnsgsp User is Offline

MH
Posts:92

05/29/2011 1:43 PM
What about being able to show in the Field, Obedience, Rally or Agility. Isn’t the color disqualification only for Conformation shows? Blacks can still be registered, so why not light brown or light liver? Carol Cronk Autumn's GSP's & PRT's Home of *CH Berihill Bye Bye Love JH "Candi"* Home of BOB Winner *CH StoneBrook's Autumn Mist "Charli"* Home of the 2005 Westminster BIS *NSC, BIS, BISS CH Kan-Points VJK Autumn Roses "CARLEE"* From: gsp-l-request@shorthairs.net [mailto:gsp-l-request@shorthairs.net] On Behalf Of White River Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 12:14 PM To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net Subject: Re: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis Not arguing here, just being a very Curious George. Is this dilute liver color within our Standard? If so what would be wrong with registering and selling a pup of this color? What about exhibiting this color variation in conformation? This is not quite the same thing as claiming a lemon is a rare "Gelber Brand". The color 'lemon' is clearly excluded from our standard. Is the Fancy in agreement that this is an undesirable color? I have my own personal preferences on color, yet I adamantly defend the legitimacy of any breed example with color and coat pattern that is within standard. Char R White River Shorthairs whiteriver@embarqmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Gspdoo@aol.com To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net Cc: Mariahgsps@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 7:26:21 PM Subject: Re: [gsp-l] color test to order from UC Davis Hey Diane -- I can tell you are feeling better about all of this --- First, I believe OFA only posts the results of genetic tests for diseases. If you look under labs, none of their color results -- which have been going along for a long time -- are posted. I suppose, if we felt it was important to post the not positive for MHLP results, Leita would have to contact OFA and set something up. I don't know how they would view this -- there is nothing wrong with a dog carrying the MHLP gene other than the originators of the breed chose to breed for dark liver rather than dilute. So they may or may not be willing to post the results on the website. Second, UC Davis will have all of the results, just like Optigen has for CD. Periodically Optigen has been willing to say how many tests have been done and what the rate of carriers has been found (I think either Leita or Cathy has gotten that information and posted it to the List in the past). I think it would be helpful if Leita could set something up with UC Davis at the outset so that we can get some reports on the prevalence of MHLP in the breed, say every 6 months or so. That is an important fact to know -- whether this is an isolated instance or if it is more widespread. Then it will be up to individual owners, either of dogs or bitches to make their results known -- certainly I would think people will be asking before they breed. But there is an even wider issue -- I think if you would take the whole spectrum of GSP breeders around the country, most of them wouldn't think twice if a puppy like Val's showed up in their litter -- they would just think it is a little less brown than littermates, and the puppy would be registered and sold. Breeders don't know that this MHLP gene even exists -- none of us did before this week! What we want to prevent is people trying to sell these puppies as rare and highly priced, like some are apparently doing already with the yellow, saying they are gelber brand. We have an opportunity to get out ahead of this, declare it for what it is -- an undesired color (perhaps even put something on the GSPCA website under color) and make sure people don't try to mislead the public. That puppy of Val's sure is cute! I can see where some potential buyers would pick her right out of the litter. Sandra Kretz MARIAH In a message dated 5/27/2011 12:01:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, DJSLand@aol.com writes: I havent been this talkative on this list in years !!! But at this point I wanted to take this discussion a bit further. First, I want to thank Leita from the bottom of my heart. This outstanding woman has been my rock throughout this ordeal for me. Not only did she discover that UC Davis had a coat color genetic test for the dilute gene in less than 48 hours after my initial call to her - she has reached out to me as a friend and as a fellow breeder. My puppies are less than 2 weeks at this point and look at how much has been done in such a short time - pretty amazing !!! So I have 4 "gray" puppies. So there is a test in place. So many people have said they will be testing their dogs. Now as a group are we ALL going to take the high road going forward ???????????? What I am wondering is will "all" breeders disclose the results from their tests or will we end up with a database similar to CD where people only send in "favorable" results ?? How does this help us as group of breeders ?? It really only serves the individual breeder if you keep your results private. I am sure a handful of you on the list will be able to answer my next question(s). Is OFA the "keeper" of all of the CD test results ? Leita does it make sense to have OFA be the eventual registry for the dilute test results as well ? I really havent been on the OFA web site in quite awhile so excuse my ignorance but are the actual results (with dog info) for the CD test available to the public or do they just have numbers of how many tested, how many clear and how many carriers ?? What are our options moving forward with a database ?? I know people are afraid to send in undesirable results for any test. We are afraid of the harsh comments and the bad mouthing that follows - hey, now I know first hand how tough it can be. But this is a coat color gene test, this is not about dogs losing their eye sight. Can we work together as a community for a change ???????????? Diane / Panamint GSPs No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3667 - Release Date: 05/29/11

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