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shomberg2
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Jennifer,
In reference to you having an AKC wicket at the NSS, I can believe that you weren't expecting to be welcomed for that.
They say that "ignorance is bliss" and I believe it.
And I am not at all surprised that they didn't measure the dog.
It's far easier to complain about the 'big dog" when he hasn't been measured to prove or dis-prove the belief of the "experts " standing ringside and to silence those who cannot find anything else to hang their hat on other than his size. Their eyes tell them that he is just over standard and it would be laughable if it weren't so sad at the same time.
I've had larger dogs and I've had smaller dogs. I obviously prefer and always try to breed "to the standard."
But in 38 years I am not so foolish as to disregard a dog or a bitch because they stand taller than I prefer when all of the other components are exactly what I know will produce a great litter . It certainly doesn't mean that they cannot contribute to a breeding program if bred properly.That is the key.
I've done it. I've proven it.
Sharon
"Shomberg", AKC Reg.
www.ShombergGSP.com
Multiple Best In Show & National Award Winning German Shorthaired Pointers
Shomberg2@aol.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Berihill
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 9:25 am
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Measuring Accurately
I have a measuring wicket and had it with me at NSS.
I couldn't get the persons complaining on here about their Big Dog to measure him with it though  . Enough said.
From: Sharon <shomberg2@aol.com>
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 8:07 AM
Subject: [gsp-l] Measuring Accurately
To those who feel they have dogs that may or may not be within the standard, I would caution you to measure ( or ask to have measured ) with an AKC wicket as opposed to measuring by "eye" or with a tape measure against the refrigerator ( or the best old standard - - the yardstick ) as so often is done. I've heard of these "tools" being used and the resulting measurements stated as fact many, many times over the years by those who insist they are accurate. They are not.
I don't care how great you perceive your expertise in making these "trained evaluations".
The issue of size has been volleyed about for years now and it was a huge issue for argument in the 1990's when it once again became the hot button for many people.
In 1995 RuthAnn decided to grab that bull by the horns and see just what would happen if she measured some of the many dogs at a
national event. She measured a few hundred dogs and bitches ( I seem to remember that it was 300 ) at the NSS in Carlisle,PA using an AKC wicket, She had a crowd of people watching as she very methodically measured each and every dog and bitch. Only 3 dogs measured out and over standard. None were "under". Jaws dropped and "gee, that just cannot be true."
Quite a few people were standing around as it was done and more than a handful were in disbelief because there were dogs there that many self trained critics swore were over the standard height for both males and bitches. In fact many thought to be "out" were not and a few others that were thought to be "standard" were actually taller than thought to be. That is exactly what happens when people feel that they can tell the height on a dog by eye-balling it.
It served to dispel a lot of ringside mumbling in the days that followed and gave a few self-proclaimed experts
a lesson in "visual versus actual" measuring.
So if you want an actual height measurement on your dog for your own satisfaction or to validate an accurate height - - - use an AKC wicket for that measurement.
The human eye and a pin placed on a skirt haven't proven yet to be nearly so accurate.
So just do yourself a favor and have the dog measured in the correct and accurate manner before you start deciding who is in and who is out of "standard".
There's nothing wrong with trying to hold size to within the standard. It's what we all should be striving to do.
And I am quite sure that I now have opened up yet another topic for........ "debate".
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CathyYak
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And I am not at all surprised that they didn't measure the dog.
They did measure the dog....
-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 10:11 am
Subject: [gsp-l] ] Measuring Accurately
Jennifer,
In reference to you having an AKC wicket at the NSS, I can believe that you weren't expecting to be welcomed for that.
They say that "ignorance is bliss" and I believe it.
And I am not at all surprised that they didn't measure the dog.
It's far easier to complain about the 'big dog" when he hasn't been measured to prove or dis-prove the belief of the "experts " standing ringside and to silence those who cannot find anything else to hang their hat on other than his size. Their eyes tell them that he is just over standard and it would be laughable if it weren't so sad at the same time.
I've had larger dogs and I've had smaller dogs. I obviously prefer and always try to breed "to the standard."
But in 38 years I am not so foolish as to disregard a dog or a bitch because they stand taller than I prefer when all of the other components are exactly what I know will produce a great litter . It certainly doesn't mean that they cannot contribute to a breeding program if bred properly.That is the key.
I've done it. I've proven it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Berihill < berihill@sbcglobal.net>
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net < gsp-l@shorthairs.net>
Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 9:25 am
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Measuring Accurately
I have a measuring wicket and had it with me at NSS.
I couldn't get the persons complaining on here about their Big Dog to measure him with it though . Enough said.
From: Sharon <shomberg2@aol.com>
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 8:07 AM
Subject: [gsp-l] Measuring Accurately
To those who feel they have dogs that may or may not be within the standard, I would caution you to measure ( or ask to have measured ) with an AKC wicket as opposed to measuring by "eye" or with a tape measure against the refrigerator ( or the best old standard - - the yardstick ) as so often is done. I've heard of these "tools" being used and the resulting measurements stated as fact many, many times over the years by those who insist they are accurate. They are not.
I don't care how great you perceive your expertise in making these "trained evaluations".
The issue of size has been volleyed about for years now and it was a huge issue for argument in the 1990's when it once again became the hot button for many people.
In 1995 RuthAnn decided to grab that bull by the horns and see just what would happen if she measured some of the many dogs at a national event. She measured a few hundred dogs and bitches ( I seem to remember that it was 300 ) at the NSS in Carlisle,PA using an AKC wicket, She had a crowd of people watching as she very methodically measured each and every dog and bitch. Only 3 dogs measured out and over standard. None were "under". Jaws dropped and "gee, that just cannot be true."
Quite a few people were standing around as it was done and more than a handful were in disbelief because there were dogs there that many self trained critics swore were over the standard height for both males and bitches. In fact many thought to be "out" were not and a few others that were thought to be "standard" were actually taller than thought to be. That is exactly what happens when people feel that they can tell the height on a dog by eye-balling it.
It served to dispel a lot of ringside mumbling in the days that followed and gave a few self-proclaimed experts a lesson in "visual versus actual" measuring.
So if you want an actual height measurement on your dog for your own satisfaction or to validate an accurate height - - - use an AKC wicket for that measurement.
The human eye and a pin placed on a skirt haven't proven yet to be nearly so accurate.
So just do yourself a favor and have the dog measured in the correct and accurate manner before you start deciding who is in and who is out of "standard".
There's nothing wrong with trying to hold size to within the standard. It's what we all should be striving to do.
And I am quite sure that I now have opened up yet another topic for........ "debate".
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berihill
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| 05/26/2011 8:42 AM |
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No one measured or allowed measurement of the dog in my presence and I am breeder and an owner of the dog. Please any other reference to this take it private!
From: "cathyyak@aol.com"
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] ] Measuring Accurately
And I am not at all surprised that they didn't measure the dog. They did measure the dog....
-----Original Message----- From: Sharon
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 10:11 am
Subject: [gsp-l] ] Measuring Accurately
Jennifer,
In reference to you having an AKC wicket at the NSS, I can believe that you weren't expecting to be welcomed for that.
They say that "ignorance is bliss" and I believe it.
And I am not at all surprised that they didn't measure the dog.
It's far easier to complain about the 'big dog" when he hasn't been measured to prove or dis-prove the belief of the "experts " standing ringside and to silence those who cannot find anything else to hang their hat on other than his size. Their eyes tell them that he is just over standard and it would be laughable if it weren't so sad at the same time.
I've had larger dogs and I've had smaller dogs. I obviously prefer and always try to breed "to the standard."
But in 38 years I am not so foolish as to disregard a dog or a bitch because they stand taller than I prefer when all of the other components are exactly what I know will produce a great litter . It certainly doesn't mean that
they cannot contribute to a breeding program if bred properly.That is the key.
I've done it. I've proven it.
-----Original Message----- From: Berihill < berihill@sbcglobal.net> To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net < gsp-l@shorthairs.net> Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 9:25 am Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Measuring Accurately
I have a measuring wicket and had it with me at NSS.
I couldn't get the persons complaining on here about their Big Dog to measure him with it though . Enough said.
From: Sharon <shomberg2@aol.com>
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 8:07 AM
Subject: [gsp-l] Measuring Accurately
To those who feel they have dogs that may or may not be within the standard, I would caution you to measure ( or ask to have measured ) with an AKC wicket as opposed to measuring by "eye" or with a tape measure against the refrigerator ( or the best old standard - - the yardstick ) as so often is done. I've heard of these "tools" being used and the resulting measurements stated as fact many, many times over the years by those who insist they are accurate. They are not.
I don't care how great you perceive your expertise in making these "trained evaluations".
The issue of size has been volleyed about for years now and it was a huge issue for argument in the 1990's when it once again became the hot button for many people.
In 1995 RuthAnn decided to grab that bull by the horns and see just what would happen if she measured some of the many dogs at a
national event. She measured a few hundred dogs and bitches ( I seem to remember that it was 300 ) at the NSS in Carlisle,PA using an AKC wicket, She had a crowd of people watching as she very methodically measured each and every dog and bitch. Only 3 dogs measured out and over standard. None were "under". Jaws dropped and "gee, that just cannot be true."
Quite a few people were standing around as it was done and more than a handful were in disbelief because there were dogs there that many self trained critics swore were over the standard height for both males and bitches. In fact many thought to be "out" were not and a few others that were thought to be "standard" were actually taller than thought to be. That is exactly what happens when people feel that they can tell the height on a dog by eye-balling it.
It served to dispel a lot of ringside mumbling in the days that followed and gave a few self-proclaimed experts
a lesson in "visual versus actual" measuring.
So if you want an actual height measurement on your dog for your own satisfaction or to validate an accurate height - - - use an AKC wicket for that measurement.
The human eye and a pin placed on a skirt haven't proven yet to be nearly so accurate.
So just do yourself a favor and have the dog measured in the correct and accurate manner before you start deciding who is in and who is out of "standard".
There's nothing wrong with trying to hold size to within the standard. It's what we all should be striving to do.
And I am quite sure that I now have opened up yet another topic for........ "debate".
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LahrGSP
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| 05/26/2011 8:48 AM |
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Where can you buy a wicket? Pepper gets called small all the
time and I would really like to get her correct height. Measuring by marking on
the wall at her withers says she is 22 inches.
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gsp4me
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| 05/26/2011 8:48 AM |
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"But in 38 years I am not so foolish as to disregard a dog or a bitch because they stand taller than I prefer when all of the other components are exactly what I know will produce a great litter . It certainly doesn't mean that they cannot contribute to a breeding program if bred properly.That is the key."
I definitely have not been breeding alot or for a long time but I have been in the breed for almost 20 years and what you have said is definitely my philosophy as well. Breeding is a crap shoot no matter how hard a person trys to put together a pedigree to produce sound, healthy and in standard dogs. Mother Nature usually shows herself good and bad.
Vicki
On May 26, 2011, Sharon wrote:
Jennifer,
In reference to you having an AKC wicket at the NSS, I can believe that you weren't expecting to be welcomed for that.
They say that "ignorance is bliss" and I believe it.
And I am not at all surprised that they didn't measure the dog.
It's far easier to complain about the 'big dog" when he hasn't been measured to prove or dis-prove the belief of the "experts " standing ringside and to silence those who cannot find anything else to hang their hat on other than his size. Their eyes tell them that he is just over standard and it would be laughable if it weren't so sad at the same time.
I've had larger dogs and I've had smaller dogs. I obviously prefer and always try to breed "to the standard."
But in 38 years I am not so foolish as to disregard a dog or a bitch because they stand taller than I prefer when all of the other components are exactly what I know will produce a great litter . It certainly doesn't mean that they cannot contribute to a breeding program if bred properly.That is the key.
I've done it. I've proven it.
-----Original Message----- From: Berihill < berihill@sbcglobal.net> To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net < gsp-l@shorthairs.net> Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 9:25 am Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Measuring Accurately
I have a measuring wicket and had it with me at NSS.
I couldn't get the persons complaining on here about their Big Dog to measure him with it though . Enough said.
From: Sharon <shomberg2@aol.com>
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 8:07 AM
Subject: [gsp-l] Measuring Accurately
To those who feel they have dogs that may or may not be within the standard, I would caution you to measure ( or ask to have measured ) with an AKC wicket as opposed to measuring by "eye" or with a tape measure against the refrigerator ( or the best old standard - - the yardstick ) as so often is done. I've heard of these "tools" being used and the resulting measurements stated as fact many, many times over the years by those who insist they are accurate. They are not.
I don't care how great you perceive your expertise in making these "trained evaluations".
The issue of size has been volleyed about for years now and it was a huge issue for argument in the 1990's when it once again became the hot button for many people.
In 1995 RuthAnn decided to grab that bull by the horns and see just what would happen if she measured some of the many dogs at a national event. She measured a few hundred dogs and bitches ( I seem to remember that it was 300 ) at the NSS in Carlisle,PA using an AKC wicket, She had a crowd of people watching as she very methodically measured each and every dog and bitch. Only 3 dogs measured out and over standard. None were "under". Jaws dropped and "gee, that just cannot be true."
Quite a few people were standing around as it was done and more than a handful were in disbelief because there were dogs there that many self trained critics swore were over the standard height for both males and bitches. In fact many thought to be "out" were not and a few others that were thought to be "standard" were actually taller than thought to be. That is exactly what happens when people feel that they can tell the height on a dog by eye-balling it.
It served to dispel a lot of ringside mumbling in the days that followed and gave a few self-proclaimed experts a lesson in "visual versus actual" measuring.
So if you want an actual height measurement on your dog for your own satisfaction or to validate an accurate height - - - use an AKC wicket for that measurement.
The human eye and a pin placed on a skirt haven't proven yet to be nearly so accurate.
So just do yourself a favor and have the dog measured in the correct and accurate manner before you start deciding who is in and who is out of "standard".
There's nothing wrong with trying to hold size to within the standard. It's what we all should be striving to do.
And I am quite sure that I now have opened up yet another topic for........ "debate".
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CathyYak
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Posts:963
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| 05/26/2011 8:52 AM |
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No one measured or allowed measurement of the dog in my presence and I am breeder and an owner of the dog. Please any other reference to this take it private!
Jennifer, I did not make it public regarding this dog, you did. As I said, I don't care about one dog, but I will not be publically called a liar and not defend myself either. I am happy to drop the subject of this dog.
Cathy
-----Original Message-----
From: Berihill
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 10:38 am
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] ] Measuring Accurately
No one measured or allowed measurement of the dog in my presence and I am breeder and an owner of the dog. Please any other reference to this take it private!
From: "cathyyak@aol.com" <cathyyak@aol.com>
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] ] Measuring Accurately
And I am not at all surprised that they didn't measure the dog.
They did measure the dog....
-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon < shomberg2@aol.com>
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 10:11 am
Subject: [gsp-l] ] Measuring Accurately
Jennifer,
In reference to you having an AKC wicket at the NSS, I can believe that you weren't expecting to be welcomed for that.
They say that "ignorance is bliss" and I believe it.
And I am not at all surprised that they didn't measure the dog.
It's far easier to complain about the 'big dog" when he hasn't been measured to prove or dis-prove the belief of the "experts " standing ringside and to silence those who cannot find anything else to hang their hat on other than his size. Their eyes tell them that he is just over standard and it would be laughable if it weren't so sad at the same time.
I've had larger dogs and I've had smaller dogs. I obviously prefer and always try to breed "to the standard."
But in 38 years I am not so foolish as to disregard a dog or a bitch because they stand taller than I prefer when all of the other components are exactly what I know will produce a great litter . It certainly doesn't mean that they cannot contribute to a breeding program if bred properly.That is the key.
I've done it. I've proven it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Berihill < berihill@sbcglobal.net>
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net < gsp-l@shorthairs.net>
Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 9:25 am
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Measuring Accurately
I have a measuring wicket and had it with me at NSS.
I couldn't get the persons complaining on here about their Big Dog to measure him with it though . Enough said.
From: Sharon <shomberg2@aol.com>
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 8:07 AM
Subject: [gsp-l] Measuring Accurately
To those who feel they have dogs that may or may not be within the standard, I would caution you to measure ( or ask to have measured ) with an AKC wicket as opposed to measuring by "eye" or with a tape measure against the refrigerator ( or the best old standard - - the yardstick ) as so often is done. I've heard of these "tools" being used and the resulting measurements stated as fact many, many times over the years by those who insist they are accurate. They are not.
I don't care how great you perceive your expertise in making these "trained evaluations".
The issue of size has been volleyed about for years now and it was a huge issue for argument in the 1990's when it once again became the hot button for many people.
In 1995 RuthAnn decided to grab that bull by the horns and see just what would happen if she measured some of the many dogs at a national event. She measured a few hundred dogs and bitches ( I seem to remember that it was 300 ) at the NSS in Carlisle,PA using an AKC wicket, She had a crowd of people watching as she very methodically measured each and every dog and bitch. Only 3 dogs measured out and over standard. None were "under". Jaws dropped and "gee, that just cannot be true."
Quite a few people were standing around as it was done and more than a handful were in disbelief because there were dogs there that many self trained critics swore were over the standard height for both males and bitches. In fact many thought to be "out" were not and a few others that were thought to be "standard" were actually taller than thought to be. That is exactly what happens when people feel that they can tell the height on a dog by eye-balling it.
It served to dispel a lot of ringside mumbling in the days that followed and gave a few self-proclaimed experts a lesson in "visual versus actual" measuring.
So if you want an actual height measurement on your dog for your own satisfaction or to validate an accurate height - - - use an AKC wicket for that measurement.
The human eye and a pin placed on a skirt haven't proven yet to be nearly so accurate.
So just do yourself a favor and have the dog measured in the correct and accurate manner before you start deciding who is in and who is out of "standard".
There's nothing wrong with trying to hold size to within the standard. It's what we all should be striving to do.
And I am quite sure that I now have opened up yet another topic for........ "debate".
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Cathy Iacopelli
Claddagh Kennels
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woodshafengsps
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Posts:73
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| 05/26/2011 10:41 AM |
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Sharon, Excuse me, but unless you have seen my dog, you have no idea how big he is, or not !!
Laura Wood
Woods Hafen GSP's
From: Sharon
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 10:11:12 AM
Subject: [gsp-l] ] Measuring Accurately
Jennifer,
In reference to you having an AKC wicket at the NSS, I can believe that you weren't expecting to be welcomed for that.
They say that "ignorance is bliss" and I believe it.
And I am not at all surprised that they didn't measure the dog.
It's far easier to complain about the 'big dog" when he hasn't been measured to prove or dis-prove the belief of the "experts " standing ringside and to silence those who cannot find anything else to hang their hat on other than his size. Their eyes tell them that he is just over standard and it would be laughable if it weren't so sad at the same time.
I've had larger dogs and I've had smaller dogs. I obviously prefer and always try to breed "to the standard."
But in 38 years I am not so foolish as to disregard a dog or a bitch because they stand taller than I prefer when all of the other components are exactly what I know will produce a great litter . It certainly doesn't mean that
they cannot contribute to a breeding program if bred properly.That is the key.
I've done it. I've proven it.
Sharon
"Shomberg", AKC Reg.
www.ShombergGSP.com
Multiple Best In Show & National Award Winning German Shorthaired Pointers
Shomberg2@aol.com
-----Original Message----- From: Berihill
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 9:25 am
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Measuring Accurately
I have a measuring wicket and had it with me at NSS.
I couldn't get the persons complaining on here about their Big Dog to measure him with it though . Enough said.
From: Sharon <shomberg2@aol.com>
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 8:07 AM
Subject: [gsp-l] Measuring Accurately
To those who feel they have dogs that may or may not be within the standard, I would caution you to measure ( or ask to have measured ) with an AKC wicket as opposed to measuring by "eye" or with a tape measure against the refrigerator ( or the best old standard - - the yardstick ) as so often is done. I've heard of these "tools" being used and the resulting measurements stated as fact many, many times over the years by those who insist they are accurate. They are not.
I don't care how great you perceive your expertise in making these "trained evaluations".
The issue of size has been volleyed about for years now and it was a huge issue for argument in the 1990's when it once again became the hot button for many people.
In 1995 RuthAnn decided to grab that bull by the horns and see just what would happen if she measured some of the many dogs at a
national event. She measured a few hundred dogs and bitches ( I seem to remember that it was 300 ) at the NSS in Carlisle,PA using an AKC wicket, She had a crowd of people watching as she very methodically measured each and every dog and bitch. Only 3 dogs measured out and over standard. None were "under". Jaws dropped and "gee, that just cannot be true."
Quite a few people were standing around as it was done and more than a handful were in disbelief because there were dogs there that many self trained critics swore were over the standard height for both males and bitches. In fact many thought to be "out" were not and a few others that were thought to be "standard" were actually taller than thought to be. That is exactly what happens when people feel that they can tell the height on a dog by eye-balling it.
It served to dispel a lot of ringside mumbling in the days that followed and gave a few self-proclaimed experts
a lesson in "visual versus actual" measuring.
So if you want an actual height measurement on your dog for your own satisfaction or to validate an accurate height - - - use an AKC wicket for that measurement.
The human eye and a pin placed on a skirt haven't proven yet to be nearly so accurate.
So just do yourself a favor and have the dog measured in the correct and accurate manner before you start deciding who is in and who is out of "standard".
There's nothing wrong with trying to hold size to within the standard. It's what we all should be striving to do.
And I am quite sure that I now have opened up yet another topic for........ "debate".
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LahrGSP
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Posts:703
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| 05/26/2011 11:10 AM |
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Where would I get a wicket? Pepper is always called small so I
would like to know what she really is. Measured by marking the wall at her
withers it says she is 22 inches. My Aunt has a male that she bought as a show
pup is very very small, I would say about 20 inches because he is smaller than
all my girls and my male makes him look like a 5 month old puppy. We would like
to see his correct height.
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invernessgsp
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| 05/26/2011 12:36 PM |
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Well, I dont know about you, but as for me, I plan on staying a good long while...I'm not ready to go anyplace right now. hahaha. Have a good Memorial Day W/E! Dorothy H. Thompson
From: "cathyyak@aol.com"
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] ] Measuring Accurately
No one measured or allowed measurement of the dog in my presence and I am breeder and an owner of the dog. Please any other reference to this take it private!
Jennifer, I did not make it public regarding this dog, you did. As I said, I don't care about one dog, but I will not be publically called a liar and not defend myself either. I am happy to drop the subject of this dog.
Cathy
-----Original Message-----
From: Berihill
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 10:38 am
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] ] Measuring Accurately
No one measured or allowed measurement of the dog in my presence and I am breeder and an owner of the dog. Please any other reference to this take it private!
From: "cathyyak@aol.com" <cathyyak@aol.com>
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] ] Measuring Accurately
And I am not at all surprised that they didn't measure the dog.
They did measure the dog....
-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon < shomberg2@aol.com>
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 10:11 am
Subject: [gsp-l] ] Measuring Accurately
Jennifer,
In reference to you having an AKC wicket at the NSS, I can believe that you weren't expecting to be welcomed for that.
They say that "ignorance is bliss" and I believe it.
And I am not at all surprised that they didn't measure the dog.
It's far easier to complain about the 'big dog" when he hasn't been measured to prove or dis-prove the belief of the "experts " standing ringside and to silence those who cannot find anything else to hang their hat on other than his size. Their eyes tell them that he is just over standard and it would be laughable if it weren't so sad at the same time.
I've had larger dogs and I've had smaller dogs. I obviously prefer and always try to breed "to the standard."
But in 38 years I am not so foolish as to disregard a dog or a bitch because they stand taller than I prefer when all of the other components are exactly what I know will produce a great litter . It certainly doesn't mean that they cannot contribute to a breeding program if bred properly.That is the key.
I've done it. I've proven it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Berihill < berihill@sbcglobal.net>
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net < gsp-l@shorthairs.net>
Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 9:25 am
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Measuring Accurately
I have a measuring wicket and had it with me at NSS.
I couldn't get the persons complaining on here about their Big Dog to measure him with it though . Enough said.
From: Sharon <shomberg2@aol.com>
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 8:07 AM
Subject: [gsp-l] Measuring Accurately
To those who feel they have dogs that may or may not be within the standard, I would caution you to measure ( or ask to have measured ) with an AKC wicket as opposed to measuring by "eye" or with a tape measure against the refrigerator ( or the best old standard - - the yardstick ) as so often is done. I've heard of these "tools" being used and the resulting measurements stated as fact many, many times over the years by those who insist they are accurate. They are not.
I don't care how great you perceive your expertise in making these "trained evaluations".
The issue of size has been volleyed about for years now and it was a huge issue for argument in the 1990's when it once again became the hot button for many people.
In 1995 RuthAnn decided to grab that bull by the horns and see just what would happen if she measured some of the many dogs at a national event. She measured a few hundred dogs and bitches ( I seem to remember that it was 300 ) at the NSS in Carlisle,PA using an AKC wicket, She had a crowd of people watching as she very methodically measured each and every dog and bitch. Only 3 dogs measured out and over standard. None were "under". Jaws dropped and "gee, that just cannot be true."
Quite a few people were standing around as it was done and more than a handful were in disbelief because there were dogs there that many self trained critics swore were over the standard height for both males and bitches. In fact many thought to be "out" were not and a few others that were thought to be "standard" were actually taller than thought to be. That is exactly what happens when people feel that they can tell the height on a dog by eye-balling it.
It served to dispel a lot of ringside mumbling in the days that followed and gave a few self-proclaimed experts a lesson in "visual versus actual" measuring.
So if you want an actual height measurement on your dog for your own satisfaction or to validate an accurate height - - - use an AKC wicket for that measurement.
The human eye and a pin placed on a skirt haven't proven yet to be nearly so accurate.
So just do yourself a favor and have the dog measured in the correct and accurate manner before you start deciding who is in and who is out of "standard".
There's nothing wrong with trying to hold size to within the standard. It's what we all should be striving to do.
And I am quite sure that I now have opened up yet another topic for........ "debate".
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