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01/29/2008 1:02 PM
We are very pleased and proud to announce the arrival of the "Crazy Eights" litter on Hedgehog Hill today! They are being named after betting and card game terms. We have five lovely girls and three handsome young lads, all solid liver! Sired by CH Kist Mi's Impressive Griffin MH (DC AFC Shill Rest's Impressive CDX MH x Kist Mi's By An Angel) and out of our Miss Giddy, Honey Run's Get R Done JH (VC CH Honey Run's Puck MH UTI x Honey Run's Frau Von Wildburg JH. Griffin is OFA excellent, Giddy has received her CHIC. We are looking forward to great things from this litter in multiple venues! Sherry Thrall and Bob Kapitan Hedgehog Hill Shorthairs www.hedgehoghillshorthairs.com Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

LahrGSP

MH
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01/29/2008 1:07 PM
Are both parents solid? Never heard of a whole litter being solid even when both parents are. Interesting. Julie Lahr www.vonlahrheim.com Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

nuthatch

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01/29/2008 1:34 PM
Both of Becca's litters (Becca - Am Can Ch Shomberg N Partridge Run Tribecca - is out of two solid dogs and was bred to a ticked dog both times) were all solid. I'm pretty sure the litter Becca came out of was all solid too? Sharon will know and I'm pretty sure she's had a few all solid litters Heather & the Nuthatch Gang ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: LahrGSP@aol.com Reply-To: gsp-l@web.whc.net Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:55:15 EST >Are both parents solid? Never heard of a whole litter being solid even when >both parents are. Interesting. > >Julie Lahr >_www.vonlahrheim.com_ (http://www.vonlahrheim.com/) > > > >**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. >http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at aztec-net.com

lruddock

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01/29/2008 1:55 PM
We too have had completely solid liver litters :0) On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:23:57 -0500 "nuthatch" writes: > Both of Becca's litters (Becca - Am Can Ch Shomberg N Partridge Run > Tribecca - is out of two solid dogs and was bred to a ticked dog > both times) were all solid. I'm pretty sure the litter Becca came > out of was all solid too? Sharon will know and I'm pretty sure she's > had a few all solid litters > > Heather & the Nuthatch Gang > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: LahrGSP@aol.com > Reply-To: gsp-l@web.whc.net > Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:55:15 EST > > >Are both parents solid? Never heard of a whole litter being solid > even when > >both parents are. Interesting. > > > >Julie Lahr > >_www.vonlahrheim.com_ (http://www.vonlahrheim.com/) > > > > > > > >**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > >http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sent via the WebMail system at aztec-net.com > > > > > > Holzstrom GSP 401/364/8878 421 Church St Wood River Jct., RI 02894 web site : www.holzstromgsp.net

grizbob

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01/29/2008 3:33 PM
Genetics, that is what is it called. Liver to Liver is Liver. Liver to Spot = Mix. I have it now. mary Mary Carson, Phoenix. Assoc.PetDogTrainers#264. Int. Ass. Animal Behavior Consultants # 180 UCI INTL EHREN CH BRONZE Deepthatch Lassie CGC RN CD MH 3-16-02 gsp UK imp. clicker trained. UCI INTL EHREN CH BRONZE Mistletoe My Story Catcher CGC CD MH 5-25-03 viz. clicker trained. Ruby of Deepthatch Lavender gsp JH RN CD, clicker trained. UCI Int Schonheits Ch Kentisworth Lark JH, clicker trained 4 legs MH. gsp. Stud. http://FlintknapperKennel.com http://Deepthatch.Co.UK -----Original Message----- From: gsp-l-request@web.whc.net [mailto:gsp-l-request@web.whc.net] On Behalf Of lruddock@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:29 PM To: gsp-l@web.whc.net Subject: Re: [gsp-l] The "CRAZY EIGHTS" litter has arrived on Hedgehog Hill! We too have had completely solid liver litters :0)

NanROCCo

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Posts:389

01/29/2008 3:43 PM
In a message dated 1/29/2008 5:23:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, grizbob@cox.net writes: Genetics, that is what is it called. Liver to Liver is Liver. Liver to Spot = Mix. I have it now. mary Well, not exactly. Livers come in both heterozygous and homozygous ( meaning they carry only the two dominant genes for solid liver, and cannot contribute anything other than a dominant gene for liver.) Whether they are bred to another homozygous for liver dog, a heterozygous for liver dog (one dominant liver gene and one recessive gene for ticked coloration) or a ticked dog (double recessive for ticked coloration), they can only produce solid livers. A heterozygous for liver parent, itself phenotypic for liver, can produce both liver and ticked pups when bred to ticked mate. Nancy Campbell, Homesteader GSPS Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

Jarvyce

MH
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01/29/2008 4:00 PM
In a message dated 1/29/2008 2:56:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, LahrGSP@aol.com writes: Are both parents solid? Never heard of a whole litter being solid even when both parents are. Interesting. Julie Lahr If they are homozygous for solid (having two solid alleles), then will and can only produce solid when bred to ticked. Arvind Arvind & Joyce deBraganca www.Passport-Anatolians.com Some people MAKE things happen, some WATCH while things happen, and some WONDER 'What happened?' -- Anonymous Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. (Eleanor Roosevelt) Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

Jarvyce

MH
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01/29/2008 4:04 PM
In a message dated 1/29/2008 5:33:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, NanROCCo@aol.com writes: Well, not exactly. Livers come in both heterozygous and homozygous ( meaning they carry only the two dominant genes for solid liver, and cannot contribute anything other than a dominant gene for liver.) Whether they are bred to another homozygous for liver dog, a heterozygous for liver dog (one dominant liver gene and one recessive gene for ticked coloration) or a ticked dog (double recessive for ticked coloration), they can only produce solid livers. A heterozygous for liver parent, itself phenotypic for liver, can produce both liver and ticked pups when bred to ticked mate. Nancy Campbell, Homesteader GSPS Excellent description! I am amazed at the amount of people who don't have a basic understand of simple genetics. Thank you for the explanation. Arvind Arvind & Joyce deBraganca www.Passport-Anatolians.com Some people MAKE things happen, some WATCH while things happen, and some WONDER 'What happened?' -- Anonymous Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. (Eleanor Roosevelt) Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

LahrGSP

MH
Posts:695

01/29/2008 4:21 PM
In a message dated 1/29/2008 2:23:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, grizbob@cox.net writes: Genetics, that is what is it called. Liver to Liver is Liver. Liver to Spot = Mix. I have it now. mary Mary Carson, Phoenix. Assoc.PetDogTrainers#264. We had a liver to liver breeding and got ticked pups. And what I found out today is solid to ticked can produce all solids. Julie Lahr www.vonlahrheim.com Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

grizbob

MH
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01/29/2008 4:21 PM
OH, yes. mary Mary Carson, Phoenix. Assoc.PetDogTrainers#264. Int. Ass. Animal Behavior Consultants # 180 UCI INTL EHREN CH BRONZE Deepthatch Lassie CGC RN CD MH 3-16-02 gsp UK imp. clicker trained. UCI INTL EHREN CH BRONZE Mistletoe My Story Catcher CGC CD MH 5-25-03 viz. clicker trained. Ruby of Deepthatch Lavender gsp JH RN CD, clicker trained. UCI Int Schonheits Ch Kentisworth Lark JH, clicker trained 4 legs MH. gsp. Stud. http://FlintknapperKennel.com http://Deepthatch.Co.UK From: ersonName w:st="on">gsp-l-request@web.whc.netersonName> [mailto:ersonName w:st="on">gsp-l-request@web.whc.netersonName>] On Behalf Of LahrGSP@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 4:09 PM To: ersonName w:st="on">gsp-l@web.whc.netersonName> Subject: Re: [gsp-l] The "CRAZY EIGHTS" litter has arrived on Hedgehog Hill!

grizbob

MH
Posts:119

01/29/2008 4:25 PM
So, I repeat, because I have a solid liver father which you saw at the National, Lark, to Lassie a Flecked bitch, produced in the first litter3 flecks and 5 solids. In the second litter, 3 solids, 5 flecks. So I have now Lassie, Pecan, Happy, (scant white on chest) (pecan with flecking on chest, but you have to raise him up to see), 1 ruby who is solid with not a stitch of white on entire body, another ruby who has white on chest picking her up, Blue flecked. Victoria flecked. Nobody thinks they are gsp’s. all are Choc Labs, folks don’t even realize the difference in heads, and too many gsp’s are running 80 + #s today. So even I have to say I don’t remember how many are flecked, not ticked, because you have to raised the body up to see the chest. Maybe because they are English they are different. Cheers mary Mary Carson, Phoenix. Assoc.PetDogTrainers#264. Int. Ass. Animal Behavior Consultants # 180 UCI INTL EHREN CH BRONZE Deepthatch Lassie CGC RN CD MH 3-16-02 gsp UK imp. clicker trained. UCI INTL EHREN CH BRONZE Mistletoe My Story Catcher CGC CD MH 5-25-03 viz. clicker trained. Ruby of Deepthatch Lavender gsp JH RN CD, clicker trained. UCI Int Schonheits Ch Kentisworth Lark JH, clicker trained 4 legs MH. gsp. Stud. http://FlintknapperKennel.com http://Deepthatch.Co.UK From: ersonName w:st="on">gsp-l-request@web.whc.netersonName> [mailto:ersonName w:st="on">gsp-l-request@web.whc.netersonName>] On Behalf Of NanROCCo@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 3:30 PM To: ersonName w:st="on">gsp-l@web.whc.netersonName> Subject: Re: [gsp-l] The "CRAZY EIGHTS" litter has arrived on Hedgehog Hill! In a message dated 1/29/2008 5:23:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, grizbob@cox.net writes: Genetics, that is what is it called. Liver to Liver is Liver. Liver to Spot = Mix. I have it now. mary Well, not exactly. Livers come in both heterozygous and homozygous ( meaning they carry only the two dominant genes for solid liver, and cannot contribute anything other than a dominant gene for liver.) Whether they are bred to another homozygous for liver dog, a heterozygous for liver dog (one dominant liver gene and one recessive gene for ticked coloration) or a ticked dog (double recessive for ticked coloration), they can only produce solid livers. A heterozygous for liver parent, itself phenotypic for liver, can produce both liver and ticked pups when bred to ticked mate. Nancy Campbell, Homesteader GSPS Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

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