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Unwillyn
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On Nov 22, 2010, at 11:45 AM, cathyyak@aol.com wrote:
> The problem is that the members are nothing but the financers of the
> parent club, while those in power and their friends consider it
> their personal play ground
Oh please. The officers, directors and committee members work hard to
put on events for the members, even when they personally don't compete
in those events. What possible personal benefit anyone thinks they
might receive is nothing compared to the effort they make on behalf of
the club and the breed. Again, it sounds like someone who resents not
being in a position of "power".
But, I digress. Please take this conversation to the appropriate list.
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wyndbournegsp
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| 01/06/2011 5:13 AM |
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Andi
Just so you know the 'facts'. I had to involve AKC in forcing the GSPCA BOD in printing the minutes. I understand from Mike Liosis at club relations at AKC, that they will be printed in the Members only section of the GSPCA.org website so all members in good standing will need to get their password and ID login from Ken Clemons at membership@gspca.org in order to access them. As of last night they were not available yet. l will make available to anyone who is interested a copy of the e-mail I sent to all of the BOD and the current Officers of the Club and copies AKC, Mike Liosis, Ron Menaker and Ken Marden. Your statement that the minutes do not need to be printed is very incorrect. We will all see what goes on the website and if we are not in agreement it is not the BOD that approves them, they can be challenged by the membership.
It has already been printed that the President has pardoned the Secretary for the 'perks' she was privy to at the national despite the motion that was made and approved by the majority of the membership in attendance at that June Annual Membership meeting. A direct challenge to the constitution and by-laws. Who knows what is happening with the other motions. To all who are supporting Cathy's e-mail about the current Board I applaud you, but have you taken the time to actually read the Annual BOD minutes that are presently on the gspca.org website and were printed in the Journal. especially the President
s message?. I challenge each and every member of the GSPCA to stay abreast of the actions of the BOD. As Cathy says, some are actually working for the membership and the others, well????????? make up your own mind. If you have any correspondence do not send an e-mail but a certified letter, return receipt required to document the receipt of same. I can assure you that many of my e-mails went unanswered as well as Cathy's and others, with not even an acknowledgment of a receipt. This is just my opinion and my advise to anyone.
Sue Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul & Andrea Owens
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 10:56 am
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
I would have preferred that the minutes be published too, but there is nothing that requires them to be published. As far as proposals being passed, the By Laws require that 25% of the membership be present and I don't think that was verified and could be part of the reason for any delay. The minutes only have to be approved by the Board at the following Annual Meeting, so maybe we just need to be patient. I think it would have been prudent to publish them so that there would be one less issue for people to be concerned about. But that does not represent the entire actions of the Board as a whole. There were so many people who behaved shamefully at that meeting, a lot of whom would probably rather not see their behavior made public!!!
On Nov 22, 2010, at 7:29 AM, Marty B Cornell wrote:
> am upset that the minutes of the GENERAL MEMBERSHIP MEETING, a > meeting for the entire club, have not been published. But even > more, I am disgusted that the proposals passed by the members > present and voting have not been put to the membership AS REQUIRED > by said Constitution and By-laws.
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> Whether you agree with what was voted at the meeting is irrelevant. > What is dead wrong is to just ignore the meeting as though it never > happened.
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wyndbournegsp
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I know I had nothing to be ashamed of. I only made the truth be known. And I do believe that all members should be able to read the complete transcript that was paid for by the membership, not an abridged version that is being prepared by the Officers of the Club, so everyone can make their own decisions on this.
And yes,folks, there exists a complete transcription of that meeting that was paid for out of the Club's treasury (ie, your money)/ And a tape of that meeting.
Sue Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: Dana & Mike
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:11 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
Maybe they should learn how to behave as adults.
Dana Long
There were so many people who behaved shamefully at that meeting, a lot of whom would probably rather not see their behavior made public!!!
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wyndbournegsp
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Posts:215
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I would love to know what parliamentary authority does govern the GSPCA
Sue Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: cathyyak@aol.com
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:58 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
The GSPCA has no connections with Roberts Rules of Order. I think that is one of the first things that should be added when he Constitution is amended.
Cathy
-----Original Message-----
From: Pam Parshall < RoggenfeldGSPs@myfairpoint.net>
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:42 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
The only shameful behavior I saw was when Charlie gave the floor to a member, and when he didn't like what was being said, told her to "sit down and shut up!" So much for Robert's Rules of Order! ;-)
Maybe this whole string will stimulate more people to show up for the annual meeting next year so there is a better chance of achieving a quorum.
Pam Parshall
Roggenfeld Shorthairs
On 11/22/2010 2:11 PM, Dana & Mike wrote:
Maybe they should learn how to behave as adults.
Dana Long
There were so many people who behaved shamefully at that meeting, a lot of whom would probably rather not see their behavior made public!!!
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ElwingGSP
Bartlesville, Oklahoma
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On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:01 pm, cathyyak wrote:
The GSPCA has no connections with Roberts Rules of Order. I think that is one of the first things that should be added when he Constitution is amended. One of the motions at the annual meeting proposed that the GSPCA abide by Roberts Rules of Order.
Regards,
Marty B
Cornell
Elwing Pointers
Fayetteville, Ark.
"Life is too short to hunt with an ugly dog."
http://ElwingGSP.com
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Regards,
Marty B Cornell
Elwing Pointers
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chexsix
MH
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| On Nov 22, 2010, at 1:58 PM, cathyyak@aol.com wrote:The GSPCA has no
connections with Roberts Rules of Order.
I would beg to differ having previously sat on the GSPCA Board and in
meetings where Robert's Rules were reviewed and referenced. Two
designated GSPCA Parliamentarians that I am aware that had copies of
Robert's Rules with them at the meetings were Phil Casdorph former VP
& President and Dean Browning, Treasurer.
Patte Titus
CheckSix Shorthairs
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CathyYak
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I took a quick look and there seems to be no mention of Parliamentary Authority in the bylaws, but I will look again tonight.
Cathy
-----Original Message-----
From: wyndbournegsp@aol.com
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 3:43 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
I would love to know what parliamentary authority does govern the GSPCA
Sue Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: cathyyak@aol.com
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:58 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
The GSPCA has no connections with Roberts Rules of Order. I think that is one of the first things that should be added when he Constitution is amended.
Cathy
-----Original Message-----
From: Pam Parshall < RoggenfeldGSPs@myfairpoint.net>
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:42 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
The only shameful behavior I saw was when Charlie gave the floor to a member, and when he didn't like what was being said, told her to "sit down and shut up!" So much for Robert's Rules of Order! ;-)
Maybe this whole string will stimulate more people to show up for the annual meeting next year so there is a better chance of achieving a quorum.
Pam Parshall
Roggenfeld Shorthairs
On 11/22/2010 2:11 PM, Dana & Mike wrote:
Maybe they should learn how to behave as adults.
Dana Long
There were so many people who behaved shamefully at that meeting, a lot of whom would probably rather not see their behavior made public!!!
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Cathy Iacopelli
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ElwingGSP
Bartlesville, Oklahoma
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I would beg to differ having previously sat on the
GSPCA Board and in meetings where Robert's Rules
were reviewed and referenced. Two designated GSPCA
Parliamentarians that I am aware that had copies of
Robert's Rules with them at the meetings were Phil
Casdorph former VP & President and Dean Browning,
Treasurer.
Patte Titus
CheckSix Shorthairs
Patte, I have no doubt that previous boards have used Robert's Rules of Order in conducting meetings. However, there is nothing in the current by-laws that mandate that usage.
Regards,
Marty B
Cornell
Elwing Pointers
Fayetteville, Ark.
"Life is too short to hunt with an ugly dog."
http://ElwingGSP.com
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Regards,
Marty B Cornell
Elwing Pointers
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tc
MH
Posts:117
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| Rick is out hunting at this time but he asked that this be posted in his
absence:
This is not an appropriate discussion for this list. Please take this topic
to the list that was developed
for discussing topics of the GSPCA. Keep in mind that this is a discussion
list and while there are many GSPCA
members here, not everyone is and the nature of the list is that all
messages go to everyone on the list.
or . . .
I have offered this before and I will again. If requested I can add a GSPCA
Section to the Shorthairs.net message board
where topics solely dealing with the GSPCA can be discussed.
Rick Petersen.
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gsp4me
MH
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Once the minutes from the general membership meeting are posted (or I should say when) and if the minutes do not seem to represent what transpired, then I assume those members that were in attendance should make their voice heard. Send certified letters to BOD, discuss on all email venues at hand and try and get the word out as we are doing now that corrections need to be made. AKC was asked to help with getting the general membership minutes posted, so perhaps AKC can continue their assitance in trying to assure the club is acting appropriately since there are so many questions unanswered and more than a handful of people that would like their voice heard.
Vicki
On Nov 22, 2010, wyndbournegsp@aol.com wrote:
I know I had nothing to be ashamed of. I only made the truth be known. And I do believe that all members should be able to read the complete transcript that was paid for by the membership, not an abridged version that is being prepared by the Officers of the Club, so everyone can make their own decisions on this.
And yes,folks, there exists a complete transcription of that meeting that was paid for out of the Club's treasury (ie, your money)/ And a tape of that meeting.
Sue Harrison
-----Original Message----- From: Dana & Mike < chimerachow@comcast.net> To: gsp-l@shorthairs.netSent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 2:11 pm Subject: Re: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
Maybe they should learn how to behave as adults.
Dana Long
There were so many people who behaved shamefully at that meeting, a lot of whom would probably rather not see their behavior made public!!!
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shomberg2
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I sat as a past board member under 3 different presidents - Mr.Casdorph, Mr. Rabidou and Mr. Straight.
While there were times when Roberts Rules of Order might have been "referenced"........I can vividly recall on more than one occasion (usually in the middle of what could be termed a "heated debate among differing views ") at board meetings we were told by the first two gentlemen
that the officers and board were not obliged to conduct any meetings under Roberts Rules due to the fact that it did not stiplulate that we must do so in the GSPCA Constitution and By-Laws. When we pushed the issue, the fact was re-stated and that ended it - - period.
I have always questioned why no one has ever pushed harder for the procedure to be included in our Constitution and By-Laws.
Sharon
Shomberg2@aol.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Nate & Patte Titus
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 4:44 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
On Nov 22, 2010, at 1:58 PM, cathyyak@aol.com wrote:The GSPCA has no connections with Roberts Rules of Order.
I would beg to differ having previously sat on the GSPCA Board and in meetings where Robert's Rules were reviewed and referenced. Two designated GSPCA Parliamentarians that I am aware that had copies of Robert's Rules with them at the meetings were Phil Casdorph former VP & President and Dean Browning, Treasurer.
Patte Titus
CheckSix Shorthairs
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CathyYak
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<<I would beg to differ having previously sat on the GSPCA Board and
in
meetings where Robert's Rules were reviewed and
referenced. >>
Have you checked on this and confirmed my information yet Patte? I am
copying this to the "other list" so we can transition over to there as per
Rick. I hope whoever ran to Rick to tell on us lets him know we are moving
the discussion as requested.
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Cathy Iacopelli
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tc
MH
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Cathy
Did you mean
me? Yes...the discussion needed to go elsewhere and it
did. Thank you.
Janet
Terry and Janet Chandler
Rugerheim Kennels
German Shorthaired Pointers
Training/Puppies/Stud Service
Las Cruces, NM
575-382-5231
rugerheim.com
<<I would beg
to differ having previously sat on the GSPCA Board and in
meetings
where Robert's Rules were reviewed and referenced. >>
Have you checked on this and confirmed my information yet Patte? I am
copying this to the "other list" so we can transition over to there as per
Rick. I hope whoever ran to Rick to tell on us lets him know we are moving
the discussion as requested.
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CathyYak
MH
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Did you mean
me? Yes...the discussion needed to go elsewhere and it
did. Thank you.
Janet
Terry and Janet Chandler
Rugerheim Kennels
German Shorthaired Pointers
Training/Puppies/Stud Service
Las Cruces, NM
575-382-5231
rugerheim.com
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Cathy Iacopelli
Claddagh Kennels
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