I'm confused. Does this mean you want to be on the Board? What
changes are you proposing?

I also would like to know what the specific complaints are about the
Board. These accusations are very vague. Most people I've talked to
are satisfied with the Club and the way it operates. They have no
issues and only get upset when other people insinuate that the Board
is not keeping the members informed. The members are supposed to take
the initiative to communicate their concerns to their directors. Are
you saying that the section directors are not responding? I sincerely
do not understand all of the controversy. I know there are members
who were concerned with expenses approved by the Board last year, but
that was a specific incident and it has been addressed. Maybe it is
not apathy on the behalf of the members so much as there are only a
relative few who are upset?

And, believe me, other clubs have the same issues. You just can't
make everyone happy.

And what are the comments about the breed standard? I don't know of
any changes to the standard?? Other than the fact that the members
turned down the proposal to include black?

Having you put the "facts" on the table for all to read is something
that you need to be very careful with - there are laws concerning
libel and slander.






On Nov 22, 2010, at 4:38 AM, CathyYak@aol.com wrote:

> Perhaps after May we should have a few new people on the board who
> will actually understand that the board of the GSPCA is what is
> called a subservient board. In other words, they are supposed to
> run the club according to the wishes of the membership,. It is not
> a dictatorship. Officers and directors should be in touch with the
> membership to learn what their wishes for the club are, not ignore
> emails again and again and put up a wall of silence until the AKC is
> called in to force them to do the right thing. The head of the club
> is charged with enforcing the Constitution and by laws not IGNORING
> it. In several cases the President and the board have made
> decisions that they could not have made had they followed our C &
> Bls. Did they ever even read it? Guess what, I did. There are a
> few good people on the board, please don't think I don't know that.
> Unfortunately they are outnumbered and therefore unable to effect
> change.
>
> I have a problem with our elected officials serving the needs of
> someone or something other that the membership. Maybe that is just
> me. The apathy of the membership of the GSPCA is truly
> disheartening. I hope there are a number of people who do not want
> to see our club going back to the disaster it once was, almost
> bankrupt and out of business.
>
> If anyone wants the club to be what is should be, what other parent
> clubs in other breeds are, something to be proud of, that people
> will want to be a member of, not leave in droves or join for the
> sole reason of getting the magazine (like many if not most), let me
> know. I will be happy to get involved. If you all don't care what
> happens with your money (it is your money) and your events (they are
> your events) and OUR breed standard, then I will direct my energy
> elsewhere.
>
> No problem, I actually know how to be a part of a subservient board.
> And how to read a Constitution and By Laws. If that makes me the
> enemy of those who are serving themselves or their friends, oh well.
>
> Flame suit on, but if you come after me, be prepared to answer hard
> questions in return about the people you are defending, and to have
> me put the facts on the table for all to read. I've been patiently
> waiting for the minutes from the meeting in May (6 months now) but I
> am not waiting past the point that we are going to end up with two
> more years of the same nonsense.
>
> Cathy Iacopelli
> Claddagh Kennels
> German Shorthaired Pointers
> CladdaghKennels.com
>
> In a message dated 11/21/2010 12:40:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, shortales@rocketmail.com
> writes:
> Did I tell you that I'm not running again? So after May we will
> really be in the dark.
>
> Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog
> (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point
>
> --- On Sat, 11/20/10, CathyYak@aol.com <CathyYak@aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: CathyYak@aol.com <CathyYak@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
> To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
> Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 1:48 AM
>
> Thanks very much for the response Leita. I am wondering if you are
> the only one on the board with a computer...
>
> Cathy Iacopelli
> Claddagh Kennels
> German Shorthaired Pointers
> CladdaghKennels.com
>
> In a message dated 11/19/2010 1:35:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, shortales@rocketmail.com
> writes:
> Cathy
> The complete version is under club contacts on the right side of web
> page section. As you may know there is a revision committee chaired
> by Beth Ritchie (I am on the committee as well) so anyone that has
> any ideas to include that aren't covered by the present document
> should send your suggestions to Beth or myself.
>
> Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog
> (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point
>
> --- On Thu, 11/18/10, CathyYak@aol.com <CathyYak@aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: CathyYak@aol.com <CathyYak@aol.com>
> Subject: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
> To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
> Date: Thursday, November 18, 2010, 11:30 PM
>
> Does anyone know if the GSPCA Constitution and By-laws is complete
> and the most current version?
>
> Cathy Iacopelli
> Claddagh Kennels
> German Shorthaired Pointers
> CladdaghKennels.com
>
>



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The membership has never been required to vote on all of the expenses
and retroactively requiring that approved expenses be repaid is really
not going to encourage people to donate their time and expense to
support the club. Setting reasonable limits for future events is much
more productive. Otherwise, we could go back years and justify
denying expenses for individuals or costs. I really don't like the
"mob" mentality approach to resolving problems.


On Nov 22, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Leita Estes wrote:

> Marty
> No the expense issue won't go to the membership. Read the BOD
> minutes to see what the majority of the BOD voted on (not me).
>
> Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog
> (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point
>
> --- On Mon, 11/22/10, Marty B Cornell <elwinggsp@aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: Marty B Cornell <elwinggsp@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
> To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
> Date: Monday, November 22, 2010, 4:00 PM
>
>
> From: Paul & Andrea Owens <unwillyn@aol.com>
> To: gsp-l <gsp-l@shorthairs.net>
> Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 9:48 am
> I also would like to know what the specific complaints are about the
>
> Board. These accusations are very vague. Most people I've talked to
>
> are satisfied with the Club and the way it operates. They have no
>
> issues and only get upset when other people insinuate that the Board
>
> is not keeping the members informed. The members are supposed to take
>
> the initiative to communicate their concerns to their directors. Are
>
> you saying that the section directors are not responding? I sincerely
>
> do not understand all of the controversy. I know there are members
>
> who were concerned with expenses approved by the Board last year, but
>
> that was a specific incident and it has been addressed. Maybe it is
>
> not apathy on the behalf of the
> members so much as there are only a
>
> relative few who are upset?
>
>
> Has the expenses issue been dealt with? How?
>
> There were a number of proposals approved by the members present and
> voting at the General Membership meeting in May. The Constitution
> and By-laws states that when a quorum is not present, those issues
> must be presented to the entire membership for vote. Have I missed
> that letter/ballot?
>
> And where are the minutes for said meeting?
>
> Regards,
>
> Marty B Cornell
> Elwing Pointers
> Fayetteville, Ark.
>
> "Life is too short to hunt with an ugly dog."
>
> http://ElwingGSP.com
>



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So far you have written mob, liable, slander.  Very eloquent.

Don't forget radical. 

Cathy

-----Original Message-----
From: Vicki <gsp4me@hughes.net>
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 12:58 pm
Subject: Re: Re: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?

Perhaps the mob mentality is because the membership as a whole was not aware until too late. The membership, ie, mob is entitled to know of such decisions and to voice their concern. Perhaps it would not be viewed as a mob if commmunication was forthcoming right from the get go. JMO Your choice of words is very entertaining. Keep it coming. So far you have written mob, liable, slander.  Very eloquent.
Vicki

On Nov 22, 2010, Paul & Andrea Owens <unwillyn@aol.com> wrote:

The membership has never been required to vote on all of the expenses
and retroactively requiring that approved expenses be repaid is really
not going to encourage people to donate their time and expense to
support the club. Setting reasonable limits for future events is much
more productive. Otherwise, we could go back years and justify
denying expenses for individuals or costs. I really don't like the
"mob" mentality approach to resolving problems.


On Nov 22, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Leita Estes wrote:

> Marty
> No the expense issue won't go to the membership. Read the BOD
> minutes to see what the majority of the BOD voted on (not me).
>
> Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog
> (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point
>
> --- On Mon, 11/22/10, Marty B Cornell <elwinggsp@aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: Marty B Cornell <elwinggsp@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
> To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
> Date: Monday, November 22, 2010, 4:00 PM
>
>
> From: Paul & Andrea Owens <unwillyn@aol.com>
> To: gsp-l <gsp-l@shorthairs.net>
> Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 9:48 am
> I also would like to know what the specific complaints are about the
>
> Board. These accusations are very vague. Most people I've talked to
>
> are satisfied with the Club and the way it operates. They have no
>
> issues and only get upset when other people insinuate that the Board
>
> is not keeping the members informed. The members are supposed to take
>
> the initiative to communicate their concerns to their directors. Are
>
> you saying that the section directors are not responding? I sincerely
>
> do not understand all of the controversy. I know there are members
>
> who were concerned with expenses approved by the Board last year, but
>
> that was a specific incident and it has been addressed. Maybe it is
>
> not apathy on the behalf of the
> members so much as there are only a
>
> relative few who are upset?
>
>
> Has the expenses issue been dealt with? How?
>
> There were a number of proposals approved by the members present and
> voting at the General Membership meeting in May. The Constitution
> and By-laws states that when a quorum is not present, those issues
> must be presented to the entire membership for vote. Have I missed
> that letter/ballot?
>
> And where are the minutes for said meeting?
>
> Regards,
>
> Marty B Cornell
> Elwing Pointers
> Fayetteville, Ark.
>
> "Life is too short to hunt with an ugly dog."
>
> http://ElwingGSP.com
>



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The membership has never been required to vote on all of the expenses
and retroactively requiring that approved expenses be repaid is really
not going to encourage people to donate their time and expense to
support the club. Setting reasonable limits for future events is much
more productive. Otherwise, we could go back years and justify
denying expenses for individuals or costs. I really don't like the
"mob" mentality approach to resolving problems.


On Nov 22, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Leita Estes wrote:

> Marty
> No the expense issue won't go to the membership. Read the BOD
> minutes to see what the majority of the BOD voted on (not me).
>
> Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog
> (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point
>
> --- On Mon, 11/22/10, Marty B Cornell <elwinggsp@aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: Marty B Cornell <elwinggsp@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
> To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
> Date: Monday, November 22, 2010, 4:00 PM
>
>
> From: Paul & Andrea Owens <unwillyn@aol.com>
> To: gsp-l <gsp-l@shorthairs.net>
> Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 9:48 am
> I also would like to know what the specific complaints are about the
>
> Board. These accusations are very vague. Most people I've talked to
>
> are satisfied with the Club and the way it operates. They have no
>
> issues and only get upset when other people insinuate that the Board
>
> is not keeping the members informed. The members are supposed to take
>
> the initiative to communicate their concerns to their directors. Are
>
> you saying that the section directors are not responding? I sincerely
>
> do not understand all of the controversy. I know there are members
>
> who were concerned with expenses approved by the Board last year, but
>
> that was a specific incident and it has been addressed. Maybe it is
>
> not apathy on the behalf of the
> members so much as there are only a
>
> relative few who are upset?
>
>
> Has the expenses issue been dealt with? How?
>
> There were a number of proposals approved by the members present and
> voting at the General Membership meeting in May. The Constitution
> and By-laws states that when a quorum is not present, those issues
> must be presented to the entire membership for vote. Have I missed
> that letter/ballot?
>
> And where are the minutes for said meeting?
>
> Regards,
>
> Marty B Cornell
> Elwing Pointers
> Fayetteville, Ark.
>
> "Life is too short to hunt with an ugly dog."
>
> http://ElwingGSP.com
>



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Everyone,

If the rules and bylaws are clear, then we expect the directors and all officers to follow them. There should also be appropriate actions that are spelled out for NOT following them. Applying a smidgeon of common sense, if the rules and bylaws are NOT clear as to how and what can be done, then to blame the board or any director or officer is not honorable, as it is our responibility... to change them accordingly. We need to make the rules changes as a club, then add language for enforcement if needed. However, it should also be the desire and responsibility of all board members and officers to act in an ethical manner and follow the rules. Perhaps, a signed ethics statement by all officers and directors that pledges no favoritism, without risk of an open vote of the membership for repeal, or repayment, up to and including removal from office?

It seems clear, many do not fully understand the rules, or the way they can be applied. This is not surprising, however, all those who wish to critisize, should simply be VERY sure about the accuracy of what they offer in a public forum. Otherwise, what you say can be very destructive to the club. That is not in our best interest.

Additionally, all events should be considered in the context with which they occur. For example we don't punish someone the same for manslaughter as we do 1st degree murder. We should not as a club be so strict or severe, as to damage the club, and an individual, for something less than a very severe infraction.

I am NOT making any insinuations about any person who has already put forth their thoughts on this string. Only asking to keep the above in mind.
I am also not condoning or rejecting, anything the board has done. Let's just keep it civil and accurate, and try to find ways to keep anything from happening that should or should not.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

---

From: Vicki <gsp4me@hughes.net>

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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:58:09 +0000 (GMT)

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Subject: Re: Re: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?

Perhaps the mob mentality is because the membership as a whole was not aware until too late. The membership, ie, mob is entitled to know of such decisions and to voice their concern. Perhaps it would not be viewed as a mob if commmunication was forthcoming right from the get go. JMO Your choice of words is very entertaining. Keep it coming. So far you have written mob, liable, slander.  Very eloquent.
Vicki

On Nov 22, 2010, Paul & Andrea Owens <unwillyn@aol.com> wrote:

The membership has never been required to vote on all of the expenses
and retroactively requiring that approved expenses be repaid is really
not going to encourage people to donate their time and expense to
support the club. Setting reasonable limits for future events is much
more productive. Otherwise, we could go back years and justify
denying expenses for individuals or costs. I really don't like the
"mob" mentality approach to resolving problems.


On Nov 22, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Leita Estes wrote:

> Marty
> No the expense issue won't go to the membership. Read the BOD
> minutes to see what the majority of the BOD voted on (not me).
>
> Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog
> (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point
>
> --- On Mon, 11/22/10, Marty B Cornell <elwinggsp@aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: Marty B Cornell <elwinggsp@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
> To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
> Date: Monday, November 22, 2010, 4:00 PM
>
>
> From: Paul & Andrea Owens <unwillyn@aol.com>
> To: gsp-l <gsp-l@shorthairs.net>
> Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 9:48 am
> I also would like to know what the specific complaints are about the
>
> Board. These accusations are very vague. Most people I've talked to
>
> are satisfied with the Club and the way it operates. They have no
>
> issues and only get upset when other people insinuate that the Board
>
> is not keeping the members informed. The members are supposed to take
>
> the initiative to communicate their concerns to their directors. Are
>
> you saying that the section directors are not responding? I sincerely
>
> do not understand all of the controversy. I know there are members
>
> who were concerned with expenses approved by the Board last year, but
>
> that was a specific incident and it has been addressed. Maybe it is
>
> not apathy on the behalf of the
> members so much as there are only a
>
> relative few who are upset?
>
>
> Has the expenses issue been dealt with? How?
>
> There were a number of proposals approved by the members present and
> voting at the General Membership meeting in May. The Constitution
> and By-laws states that when a quorum is not present, those issues
> must be presented to the entire membership for vote. Have I missed
> that letter/ballot?
>
> And where are the minutes for said meeting?
>
> Regards,
>
> Marty B Cornell
> Elwing Pointers
> Fayetteville, Ark.
>
> "Life is too short to hunt with an ugly dog."
>
> http://ElwingGSP.com
>



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