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CathyYak
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Does anyone know if the GSPCA Constitution and By-laws is complete and the
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Cathy Iacopelli
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shortales
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Cathy
The complete version is under club contacts on the right side of web page section. As you may know there is a revision committee chaired by Beth Ritchie (I am on the committee as well) so anyone that has any ideas to include that aren't covered by the present document should send your suggestions to Beth or myself.
Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point
--- On Thu, 11/18/10, CathyYak@aol.com wrote:
From: CathyYak@aol.com
Subject: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Date: Thursday, November 18, 2010, 11:30 PM
Does anyone know if the GSPCA Constitution and By-laws is complete and the
most current version?
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CathyYak
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Thanks very much for the response Leita. I am wondering if you are
the only one on the board with a computer...
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Cathy Iacopelli
Claddagh Kennels
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shortales
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Did I tell you that I'm not running again? So after May we will really be in the dark.
Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point
--- On Sat, 11/20/10, CathyYak@aol.com wrote:
From: CathyYak@aol.com
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 1:48 AM
Thanks very much for the response Leita. I am wondering if you are
the only one on the board with a computer...
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CathyYak
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Perhaps after May we should have a few new people on the board who will
actually understand that the board of the GSPCA is what is called a subservient
board. In other words, they are supposed to run the club according to the
wishes of the membership,. It is not a dictatorship. Officers and
directors should be in touch with the membership to learn what their wishes
for the club are, not ignore emails again and again and put up a wall of
silence until the AKC is called in to force them to do the right thing.
The head of the club is charged with enforcing the Constitution and by
laws not IGNORING it. In several cases the President and the board
have made decisions that they could not have made had they followed our C &
Bls. Did they ever even read it? Guess what, I did. There are
a few good people on the board, please don't think I don't know that.
Unfortunately they are outnumbered and therefore unable to effect change.
I have a problem with our elected officials serving the needs of
someone or something other that the membership. Maybe that is just
me. The apathy of the membership of the GSPCA is truly
disheartening. I hope there are a number of people who do not want to see
our club going back to the disaster it once was, almost bankrupt and out of
business.
If anyone wants the club to be what is should be, what other parent clubs
in other breeds are, something to be proud of, that people will want to be a
member of, not leave in droves or join for the sole reason of getting the
magazine (like many if not most), let me know. I will be happy to get
involved. If you all don't care what happens with your money (it is your
money) and your events (they are your events) and OUR breed standard, then I
will direct my energy elsewhere.
No problem, I actually know how to be a part of a subservient
board. And how to read a Constitution and By Laws. If that makes me
the enemy of those who are serving themselves or their friends, oh
well.
Flame suit on, but if you come after me, be prepared to answer hard
questions in return about the people you are defending, and to have me put the
facts on the table for all to read. I've been patiently waiting for the
minutes from the meeting in May (6 months now) but I am not waiting past the
point that we are going to end up with two more years of the same
nonsense.
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Cathy Iacopelli
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k9sports4gsps
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I agree Cathy but I think many members don't see how and what to do to get involved because they see the board as running the club not the board as voices of the membership. I am thankful for the good board members and those that support the other venues GSPs compete... We have several GSPs going to AKC agility invites this year and had a GSP in the AKC agility invitational finals last year...these are amazing accomplishments -- did we hear much... yes on performance list not much from GSPCA...
judy shinogle
From: "CathyYak@aol.com"
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Mon, November 22, 2010 7:38:10 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
Perhaps after May we should have a few new people on the board who will
actually understand that the board of the GSPCA is what is called a subservient
board. In other words, they are supposed to run the club according to the
wishes of the membership,. It is not a dictatorship. Officers and
directors should be in touch with the membership to learn what their wishes
for the club are, not ignore emails again and again and put up a wall of
silence until the AKC is called in to force them to do the right thing.
The head of the club is charged with enforcing the Constitution and by
laws not IGNORING it. In several cases the President and the board
have made decisions that they could not have made had they followed our C &
Bls. Did they ever even read it? Guess what, I did. There are
a few good people on the board, please don't think I don't know that.
Unfortunately they are outnumbered and therefore unable to effect change.
I have a problem with our elected officials serving the needs of
someone or something other that the membership. Maybe that is just
me. The apathy of the membership of the GSPCA is truly
disheartening. I hope there are a number of people who do not want to see
our club going back to the disaster it once was, almost bankrupt and out of
business.
If anyone wants the club to be what is should be, what other parent clubs
in other breeds are, something to be proud of, that people will want to be a
member of, not leave in droves or join for the sole reason of getting the
magazine (like many if not most), let me know. I will be happy to get
involved. If you all don't care what happens with your money (it is your
money) and your events (they are your events) and OUR breed standard, then I
will direct my energy elsewhere.
No problem, I actually know how to be a part of a subservient
board. And how to read a Constitution and By Laws. If that makes me
the enemy of those who are serving themselves or their friends, oh
well.
Flame suit on, but if you come after me, be prepared to answer hard
questions in return about the people you are defending, and to have me put the
facts on the table for all to read. I've been patiently waiting for the
minutes from the meeting in May (6 months now) but I am not waiting past the
point that we are going to end up with two more years of the same
nonsense.
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QuinseaGSPS
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Cathy,
You will have our support! We know that you have the best interest of the club at heart.
Dennis and Debbie Leroux
Quinsea GSP's
From: "CathyYak@aol.com"
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Mon, November 22, 2010 7:38:10 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
Perhaps after May we should have a few new people on the board who will actually understand that the board of the GSPCA is what is called a subservient board. In other words, they are supposed to run the club according to the wishes of the membership,. It is not a dictatorship. Officers and directors should be in touch with the membership to learn what their wishes for the club are, not ignore emails again and again and put up a wall of silence until the AKC is called in to force them to do the right thing. The head of the club is charged with enforcing the Constitution and by laws not IGNORING it. In several cases the President and the board have made decisions that they could not have made had they followed our C & Bls. Did they ever even read it? Guess what, I did. There are a few good people on the board, please don't think I don't know that. Unfortunately they are
outnumbered and therefore unable to effect change.
I have a problem with our elected officials serving the needs of someone or something other that the membership. Maybe that is just me. The apathy of the membership of the GSPCA is truly disheartening. I hope there are a number of people who do not want to see our club going back to the disaster it once was, almost bankrupt and out of business.
If anyone wants the club to be what is should be, what other parent clubs in other breeds are, something to be proud of, that people will want to be a member of, not leave in droves or join for the sole reason of getting the magazine (like many if not most), let me know. I will be happy to get involved. If you all don't care what happens with your money (it is your money) and your events (they are your events) and OUR breed standard, then I will direct my energy elsewhere.
No problem, I actually know how to be a part of a subservient board. And how to read a Constitution and By Laws. If that makes me the enemy of those who are serving themselves or their friends, oh well.
Flame suit on, but if you come after me, be prepared to answer hard questions in return about the people you are defending, and to have me put the facts on the table for all to read. I've been patiently waiting for the minutes from the meeting in May (6 months now) but I am not waiting past the point that we are going to end up with two more years of the same nonsense.
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sunniefair
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Cathy,
Let me know what you need. I will support you.
Sunnie
From: CathyYak@aol.com
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 07:38:10 -0500
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Perhaps after May we should have a few new people on the board who will actually understand that the board of the GSPCA is what is called a subservient board. In other words, they are supposed to run the club according to the wishes of the membership,. It is not a dictatorship. Officers and directors should be in touch with the membership to learn what their wishes for the club are, not ignore emails again and again and put up a wall of silence until the AKC is called in to force them to do the right thing. The head of the club is charged with enforcing the Constitution and by laws not IGNORING it. In several cases the President and the board have made decisions that they could not have made had they followed our C & Bls. Did they ever even read it? Guess what, I did. There are a few good people on the board, please don't think I don't know that. Unfortunately they are outnumbered and therefore unable to effect change.
I have a problem with our elected officials serving the needs of someone or something other that the membership. Maybe that is just me. The apathy of the membership of the GSPCA is truly disheartening. I hope there are a number of people who do not want to see our club going back to the disaster it once was, almost bankrupt and out of business.
If anyone wants the club to be what is should be, what other parent clubs in other breeds are, something to be proud of, that people will want to be a member of, not leave in droves or join for the sole reason of getting the magazine (like many if not most), let me know. I will be happy to get involved. If you all don't care what happens with your money (it is your money) and your events (they are your events) and OUR breed standard, then I will direct my energy elsewhere.
No problem, I actually know how to be a part of a subservient board. And how to read a Constitution and By Laws. If that makes me the enemy of those who are serving themselves or their friends, oh well.
Flame suit on, but if you come after me, be prepared to answer hard questions in return about the people you are defending, and to have me put the facts on the table for all to read. I've been patiently waiting for the minutes from the meeting in May (6 months now) but I am not waiting past the point that we are going to end up with two more years of the same nonsense.
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Ersehnen2
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Cathy you have our support... If anyone can get things back on track you can 
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Betty Jane Reece-Weaver & James W Weaver
Ersehnen - Bruneau River GSP
ersehnen@gmail.com
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gsp4k9snme
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I couldn't agree with you more Cathy. I have seen too many clubs fail because of the "dictatorship" mentality and board members forgetting exactly why they took the position in the club, which I hope was for the right reasons. I know I am one of those little voices. I am not known, I am not a breeder, I show more as a hobby and love for the breed. However, I do care about our breed standard. I do believe in keeping our breed as clean as possible. I do believe in keeping an open mind on what we each choose to do with our dogs and not focusing on one thing more then others. Most importantly I love the breed and feel we should educate the public and those who choose to get our breed to help insure they don't end up in shelters or rescues.
This takes a Board who is willing to listen to club members as a whole. To pose questions and answer questions, to allow
feedback and use it as a ground starting point to work with. I believe when a club starts to experience tension and doubt, it is time for the club to consider a strategic plan with input from all venues. Time to put together a broad range of polling questions and collaborating feedback. I always feel I will try not to complain unless I can offer a solution to the problem. This is a starting point. Sometimes we just need to sit back and soul search. I do care about my membership and what it stands for.
Tracey L. Skibo
Northpoint's Limited Edition CDX, RA
From: "CathyYak@aol.com"
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Mon, November 22, 2010 7:38:10 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
Perhaps after May we should have a few new people on the board who will actually understand that the board of the GSPCA is what is called a subservient board. In other words, they are supposed to run the club according to the wishes of the membership,. It is not a dictatorship. Officers and directors should be in touch with the membership to learn what their wishes for the club are, not ignore emails again and again and put up a wall of silence until the AKC is called in to force them to do the right thing. The head of the club is charged with enforcing the Constitution and by laws not IGNORING it. In several cases the President and the board have made decisions that they could not have made had they followed our C & Bls. Did they ever even read it? Guess what, I did. There are a few good people on the board, please don't think I don't know that. Unfortunately they are
outnumbered and therefore unable to effect change.
I have a problem with our elected officials serving the needs of someone or something other that the membership. Maybe that is just me. The apathy of the membership of the GSPCA is truly disheartening. I hope there are a number of people who do not want to see our club going back to the disaster it once was, almost bankrupt and out of business.
If anyone wants the club to be what is should be, what other parent clubs in other breeds are, something to be proud of, that people will want to be a member of, not leave in droves or join for the sole reason of getting the magazine (like many if not most), let me know. I will be happy to get involved. If you all don't care what happens with your money (it is your money) and your events (they are your events) and OUR breed standard, then I will direct my energy elsewhere.
No problem, I actually know how to be a part of a subservient board. And how to read a Constitution and By Laws. If that makes me the enemy of those who are serving themselves or their friends, oh well.
Flame suit on, but if you come after me, be prepared to answer hard questions in return about the people you are defending, and to have me put the facts on the table for all to read. I've been patiently waiting for the minutes from the meeting in May (6 months now) but I am not waiting past the point that we are going to end up with two more years of the same nonsense.
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ElwingGSP
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On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 6:48 am, CathyYak wrote:
Perhaps after May we should have a few new people on the board who will
actually understand that the board of the GSPCA is what is called a subservient
board. In other words, they are supposed to run the club according to the
wishes of the membership,. It is not a dictatorship. Officers and
directors should be in touch with the membership to learn what their wishes
for the club are, not ignore emails again and again and put up a wall of
silence until the AKC is called in to force them to do the right thing.
The head of the club is charged with enforcing the Constitution and by
laws not IGNORING it. In several cases the President and the board
have made decisions that they could not have made had they followed our C &
Bls. Did they ever even read it? Guess what, I did. There are
a few good people on the board, please don't think I don't know that.
Unfortunately they are outnumbered and therefore unable to effect change. There is one and only one effective way to deal with this problem, if you (the generic you, not Cathy) consider it a problem. That is to vote your conscience when it is election time. Don't put it off until it is too late, don't say "I won't make a difference.", etc. VOTE
I am upset that the minutes of the GENERAL MEMBERSHIP MEETING, a meeting for the entire club, have not been published. But even more, I am disgusted that the proposals passed by the members present and voting have not been put to the membership AS REQUIRED by said Constitution and By-laws.
Whether you agree with what was voted at the meeting is irrelevant. What is dead wrong is to just ignore the meeting as though it never happened.
Regards,
Marty B
Cornell
Elwing Pointers
Fayetteville, Ark.
"Life is too short to hunt with an ugly dog."
http://ElwingGSP.com
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Unwillyn
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| I'm confused. Does this mean you want to be on the Board? What
changes are you proposing?
I also would like to know what the specific complaints are about the
Board. These accusations are very vague. Most people I've talked to
are satisfied with the Club and the way it operates. They have no
issues and only get upset when other people insinuate that the Board
is not keeping the members informed. The members are supposed to take
the initiative to communicate their concerns to their directors. Are
you saying that the section directors are not responding? I sincerely
do not understand all of the controversy. I know there are members
who were concerned with expenses approved by the Board last year, but
that was a specific incident and it has been addressed. Maybe it is
not apathy on the behalf of the members so much as there are only a
relative few who are upset?
And, believe me, other clubs have the same issues. You just can't
make everyone happy.
And what are the comments about the breed standard? I don't know of
any changes to the standard?? Other than the fact that the members
turned down the proposal to include black?
Having you put the "facts" on the table for all to read is something
that you need to be very careful with - there are laws concerning
libel and slander.
On Nov 22, 2010, at 4:38 AM, CathyYak@aol.com wrote:
> Perhaps after May we should have a few new people on the board who
> will actually understand that the board of the GSPCA is what is
> called a subservient board. In other words, they are supposed to
> run the club according to the wishes of the membership,. It is not
> a dictatorship. Officers and directors should be in touch with the
> membership to learn what their wishes for the club are, not ignore
> emails again and again and put up a wall of silence until the AKC is
> called in to force them to do the right thing. The head of the club
> is charged with enforcing the Constitution and by laws not IGNORING
> it. In several cases the President and the board have made
> decisions that they could not have made had they followed our C &
> Bls. Did they ever even read it? Guess what, I did. There are a
> few good people on the board, please don't think I don't know that.
> Unfortunately they are outnumbered and therefore unable to effect
> change.
>
> I have a problem with our elected officials serving the needs of
> someone or something other that the membership. Maybe that is just
> me. The apathy of the membership of the GSPCA is truly
> disheartening. I hope there are a number of people who do not want
> to see our club going back to the disaster it once was, almost
> bankrupt and out of business.
>
> If anyone wants the club to be what is should be, what other parent
> clubs in other breeds are, something to be proud of, that people
> will want to be a member of, not leave in droves or join for the
> sole reason of getting the magazine (like many if not most), let me
> know. I will be happy to get involved. If you all don't care what
> happens with your money (it is your money) and your events (they are
> your events) and OUR breed standard, then I will direct my energy
> elsewhere.
>
> No problem, I actually know how to be a part of a subservient board.
> And how to read a Constitution and By Laws. If that makes me the
> enemy of those who are serving themselves or their friends, oh well.
>
> Flame suit on, but if you come after me, be prepared to answer hard
> questions in return about the people you are defending, and to have
> me put the facts on the table for all to read. I've been patiently
> waiting for the minutes from the meeting in May (6 months now) but I
> am not waiting past the point that we are going to end up with two
> more years of the same nonsense.
>
> Cathy Iacopelli
> Claddagh Kennels
> German Shorthaired Pointers
> CladdaghKennels.com
>
> In a message dated 11/21/2010 12:40:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, shortales@rocketmail.com
> writes:
> Did I tell you that I'm not running again? So after May we will
> really be in the dark.
>
> Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog
> (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point
>
> --- On Sat, 11/20/10, CathyYak@aol.com wrote:
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> From: CathyYak@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
> To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
> Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 1:48 AM
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> Thanks very much for the response Leita. I am wondering if you are
> the only one on the board with a computer...
>
> Cathy Iacopelli
> Claddagh Kennels
> German Shorthaired Pointers
> CladdaghKennels.com
>
> In a message dated 11/19/2010 1:35:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, shortales@rocketmail.com
> writes:
> Cathy
> The complete version is under club contacts on the right side of web
> page section. As you may know there is a revision committee chaired
> by Beth Ritchie (I am on the committee as well) so anyone that has
> any ideas to include that aren't covered by the present document
> should send your suggestions to Beth or myself.
>
> Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog
> (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point
>
> --- On Thu, 11/18/10, CathyYak@aol.com wrote:
>
> From: CathyYak@aol.com
> Subject: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
> To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
> Date: Thursday, November 18, 2010, 11:30 PM
>
> Does anyone know if the GSPCA Constitution and By-laws is complete
> and the most current version?
>
> Cathy Iacopelli
> Claddagh Kennels
> German Shorthaired Pointers
> CladdaghKennels.com
>
>
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Having you put the "facts" on the table for all to read is something that you need to be very careful with - there are laws concerning libel and slander.
I was waiting to hear from you Andi! Thanks for not disappointing me. I am at work now. It's payroll day and we are being paid two days early due to the holiday so 65 people here will be upset with me if I don't have my priorities straight and get my work done. But I will answer your questions later on in depth, and since you have opened the door for me, I hope you will like the answers you get. I am glad to have a reason to lay it on the line. Thanks Andi!
Stay tuned...
Cathy
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul & Andrea Owens
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 10:46 am
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
I'm confused. Does this mean you want to be on the Board? What changes are you proposing?
I also would like to know what the specific complaints are about the Board. These accusations are very vague. Most people I've talked to are satisfied with the Club and the way it operates. They have no issues and only get upset when other people insinuate that the Board is not keeping the members informed. The members are supposed to take the initiative to communicate their concerns to their directors. Are you saying that the section directors are not responding? I sincerely do not understand all of the controversy. I know there are members who were concerned with expenses approved by the Board last year, but that was a specific incident and it has been addressed. Maybe it is not apathy on the behalf of the members so much as there are only a relative few who are upset?
And, believe me, other clubs have the same issues. You just can't make everyone happy.
And what are the comments about the breed standard? I don't know of any changes to the standard?? Other than the fact that the members turned down the proposal to include black?
Having you put the "facts" on the table for all to read is something that you need to be very careful with - there are laws concerning libel and slander.
On Nov 22, 2010, at 4:38 AM, CathyYak@aol.com wrote:
> Perhaps after May we should have a few new people on the board who > will actually understand that the board of the GSPCA is what is > called a subservient board. In other words, they are supposed to > run the club according to the wishes of the membership,. It is not > a dictatorship. Officers and directors should be in touch with the > membership to learn what their wishes for the club are, not ignore > emails again and again and put up a wall of silence until the AKC is > called in to force them to do the right thing. The head of the club > is charged with enforcing the Constitution and by laws not IGNORING > it. In several cases the President and the board have made > decisions that they could not have made had they followed our C & > Bls. Did they ever even read it? Guess what, I did. There are a > few good people on the board, please don't think I don't know that. > Unfortunately they are outnumbered and therefore unable to effect > change.
>
> I have a problem with our elected officials serving the needs of > someone or something other that the membership. Maybe that is just > me. The apathy of the membership of the GSPCA is truly > disheartening. I hope there are a number of people who do not want > to see our club going back to the disaster it once was, almost > bankrupt and out of business.
>
> If anyone wants the club to be what is should be, what other parent > clubs in other breeds are, something to be proud of, that people > will want to be a member of, not leave in droves or join for the > sole reason of getting the magazine (like many if not most), let me > know. I will be happy to get involved. If you all don't care what > happens with your money (it is your money) and your events (they are > your events) and OUR breed standard, then I will direct my energy > elsewhere.
>
> No problem, I actually know how to be a part of a subservient board. > And how to read a Constitution and By Laws. If that makes me the > enemy of those who are serving themselves or their friends, oh well.
>
> Flame suit on, but if you come after me, be prepared to answer hard > questions in return about the people you are defending, and to have > me put the facts on the table for all to read. I've been patiently > waiting for the minutes from the meeting in May (6 months now) but I > am not waiting past the point that we are going to end up with two > more years of the same nonsense.
>
> Cathy Iacopelli
> Claddagh Kennels
> German Shorthaired Pointers
> CladdaghKennels.com
>
> In a message dated 11/21/2010 12:40:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, shortales@rocketmail.com> writes:
> Did I tell you that I'm not running again? So after May we will > really be in the dark.
>
> Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog > (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point
>
> --- On Sat, 11/20/10, CathyYak@aol.com < CathyYak@aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: CathyYak@aol.com < CathyYak@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
> To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
> Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 1:48 AM
>
> Thanks very much for the response Leita. I am wondering if you are > the only one on the board with a computer...
>
> Cathy Iacopelli
> Claddagh Kennels
> German Shorthaired Pointers
> CladdaghKennels.com
>
> In a message dated 11/19/2010 1:35:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, shortales@rocketmail.com> writes:
> Cathy
> The complete version is under club contacts on the right side of web > page section. As you may know there is a revision committee chaired > by Beth Ritchie (I am on the committee as well) so anyone that has > any ideas to include that aren't covered by the present document > should send your suggestions to Beth or myself.
>
> Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog > (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point
>
> --- On Thu, 11/18/10, CathyYak@aol.com < CathyYak@aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: CathyYak@aol.com < CathyYak@aol.com>
> Subject: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
> To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
> Date: Thursday, November 18, 2010, 11:30 PM
>
> Does anyone know if the GSPCA Constitution and By-laws is complete > and the most current version?
>
> Cathy Iacopelli
> Claddagh Kennels
> German Shorthaired Pointers
> CladdaghKennels.com
>
>
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| I would have preferred that the minutes be published too, but there is
nothing that requires them to be published. As far as proposals being
passed, the By Laws require that 25% of the membership be present and
I don't think that was verified and could be part of the reason for
any delay. The minutes only have to be approved by the Board at the
following Annual Meeting, so maybe we just need to be patient. I
think it would have been prudent to publish them so that there would
be one less issue for people to be concerned about. But that does not
represent the entire actions of the Board as a whole. There were so
many people who behaved shamefully at that meeting, a lot of whom
would probably rather not see their behavior made public!!!
On Nov 22, 2010, at 7:29 AM, Marty B Cornell wrote:
> am upset that the minutes of the GENERAL MEMBERSHIP MEETING, a
> meeting for the entire club, have not been published. But even
> more, I am disgusted that the proposals passed by the members
> present and voting have not been put to the membership AS REQUIRED
> by said Constitution and By-laws.
>
> Whether you agree with what was voted at the meeting is irrelevant.
> What is dead wrong is to just ignore the meeting as though it never
> happened.
>
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| As I have been just waiting to hear from you again Cathy - I knew you
wouldn't disappoint me! As far as "opening the door for you", you can
feel free to reply to me privately
On Nov 22, 2010, at 7:52 AM, cathyyak@aol.com wrote:
>
> Having you put the "facts" on the table for all to read is something
> that you need to be very careful with - there are laws concerning
> libel and slander.
>
>
> I was waiting to hear from you Andi! Thanks for not disappointing
> me. I am at work now. It's payroll day and we are being paid two
> days early due to the holiday so 65 people here will be upset with
> me if I don't have my priorities straight and get my work done. But
> I will answer your questions later on in depth, and since you have
> opened the door for me, I hope you will like the answers you get. I
> am glad to have a reason to lay it on the line. Thanks Andi!
>
> Stay tuned...
>
>
> Cathy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul & Andrea Owens
> To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
> Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 10:46 am
> Subject: Re: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
>
> I'm confused. Does this mean you want to be on the Board? What
> changes are you proposing?
>
> I also would like to know what the specific complaints are about the
> Board. These accusations are very vague. Most people I've talked to
> are satisfied with the Club and the way it operates. They have no
> issues and only get upset when other people insinuate that the Board
> is not keeping the members informed. The members are supposed to
> take the initiative to communicate their concerns to their
> directors. Are you saying that the section directors are not
> responding? I sincerely do not understand all of the controversy. I
> know there are members who were concerned with expenses approved by
> the Board last year, but that was a specific incident and it has
> been addressed. Maybe it is not apathy on the behalf of the members
> so much as there are only a relative few who are upset?
>
> And, believe me, other clubs have the same issues. You just can't
> make everyone happy.
>
> And what are the comments about the breed standard? I don't know of
> any changes to the standard?? Other than the fact that the members
> turned down the proposal to include black?
>
> Having you put the "facts" on the table for all to read is something
> that you need to be very careful with - there are laws concerning
> libel and slander.
>
>
>
> On Nov 22, 2010, at 4:38 AM, CathyYak@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Perhaps after May we should have a few new people on the board who
> > will actually understand that the board of the GSPCA is what is >
> called a subservient board. In other words, they are supposed to >
> run the club according to the wishes of the membership,. It is not >
> a dictatorship. Officers and directors should be in touch with the >
> membership to learn what their wishes for the club are, not ignore >
> emails again and again and put up a wall of silence until the AKC is
> > called in to force them to do the right thing. The head of the
> club > is charged with enforcing the Constitution and by laws not
> IGNORING > it. In several cases the President and the board have
> made > decisions that they could not have made had they followed our
> C & > Bls. Did they ever even read it? Guess what, I did. There are
> a > few good people on the board, please don't think I don't know
> that. > Unfortunately they are outnumbered and therefore unable to
> effect > change.
> >
> > I have a problem with our elected officials serving the needs of >
> someone or something other that the membership. Maybe that is just >
> me. The apathy of the membership of the GSPCA is truly >
> disheartening. I hope there are a number of people who do not want >
> to see our club going back to the disaster it once was, almost >
> bankrupt and out of business.
> >
> > If anyone wants the club to be what is should be, what other
> parent > clubs in other breeds are, something to be proud of, that
> people > will want to be a member of, not leave in droves or join
> for the > sole reason of getting the magazine (like many if not
> most), let me > know. I will be happy to get involved. If you all
> don't care what > happens with your money (it is your money) and
> your events (they are > your events) and OUR breed standard, then I
> will direct my energy > elsewhere.
> >
> > No problem, I actually know how to be a part of a subservient
> board. > And how to read a Constitution and By Laws. If that makes
> me the > enemy of those who are serving themselves or their friends,
> oh well.
> >
> > Flame suit on, but if you come after me, be prepared to answer
> hard > questions in return about the people you are defending, and
> to have > me put the facts on the table for all to read. I've been
> patiently > waiting for the minutes from the meeting in May (6
> months now) but I > am not waiting past the point that we are going
> to end up with two > more years of the same nonsense.
> >
> > Cathy Iacopelli
> > Claddagh Kennels
> > German Shorthaired Pointers
> > CladdaghKennels.com
> >
> > In a message dated 11/21/2010 12:40:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, shortales@rocketmail.com
> > writes:
> > Did I tell you that I'm not running again? So after May we will >
> really be in the dark.
> >
> > Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog >
> (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point
> >
> > --- On Sat, 11/20/10, CathyYak@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > From: CathyYak@aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
> > To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
> > Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010, 1:48 AM
> >
> > Thanks very much for the response Leita. I am wondering if you are
> > the only one on the board with a computer...
> >
> > Cathy Iacopelli
> > Claddagh Kennels
> > German Shorthaired Pointers
> > CladdaghKennels.com
> >
> > In a message dated 11/19/2010 1:35:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, shortales@rocketmail.com
> > writes:
> > Cathy
> > The complete version is under club contacts on the right side of
> web > page section. As you may know there is a revision committee
> chaired > by Beth Ritchie (I am on the committee as well) so anyone
> that has > any ideas to include that aren't covered by the present
> document > should send your suggestions to Beth or myself.
> >
> > Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog >
> (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point
> >
> > --- On Thu, 11/18/10, CathyYak@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > From: CathyYak@aol.com
> > Subject: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
> > To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
> > Date: Thursday, November 18, 2010, 11:30 PM
> >
> > Does anyone know if the GSPCA Constitution and By-laws is complete
> > and the most current version?
> >
> > Cathy Iacopelli
> > Claddagh Kennels
> > German Shorthaired Pointers
> > CladdaghKennels.com
> >
> >
>
>
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OMG, can't wait to get home and address all of this hooey. I had heard the board was going with that tack, but thanks for confirming it.
Cathy
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul & Andrea Owens
To: gsp-l@shorthairs.net
Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 10:56 am
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] GSPCA Constitution and by laws?
I would have preferred that the minutes be published too, but there is nothing that requires them to be published. As far as proposals being passed, the By Laws require that 25% of the membership be present and I don't think that was verified and could be part of the reason for any delay. The minutes only have to be approved by the Board at the following Annual Meeting, so maybe we just need to be patient. I think it would have been prudent to publish them so that there would be one less issue for people to be concerned about. But that does not represent the entire actions of the Board as a whole. There were so many people who behaved shamefully at that meeting, a lot of whom would probably rather not see their behavior made public!!!
On Nov 22, 2010, at 7:29 AM, Marty B Cornell wrote:
> am upset that the minutes of the GENERAL MEMBERSHIP MEETING, a > meeting for the entire club, have not been published. But even > more, I am disgusted that the proposals passed by the members > present and voting have not been put to the membership AS REQUIRED > by said Constitution and By-laws.
>
> Whether you agree with what was voted at the meeting is irrelevant. > What is dead wrong is to just ignore the meeting as though it never > happened.
>
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SH
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From: Paul & Andrea Owens
To: gsp-l
Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 9:48 am
I also would like to know what the specific complaints are about the
Board. These accusations are very vague. Most people I've talked to
are satisfied with the Club and the way it operates. They have no
issues and only get upset when other people insinuate that the Board
is not keeping the members informed. The members are supposed to take
the initiative to communicate their concerns to their directors. Are
you saying that the section directors are not responding? I sincerely
do not understand all of the controversy. I know there are members
who were concerned with expenses approved by the Board last year, but
that was a specific incident and it has been addressed. Maybe it is
not apathy on the behalf of the members so much as there are only a
relative few who are upset?
Has the expenses issue been dealt with? How?
There were a number of proposals approved by the members present and voting at the General Membership meeting in May. The Constitution and By-laws states that when a quorum is not present, those issues must be presented to the entire membership for vote. Have I missed that letter/ballot?
And where are the minutes for said meeting?
Regards,
Marty B
Cornell
Elwing Pointers
Fayetteville, Ark.
"Life is too short to hunt with an ugly dog."
http://ElwingGSP.com
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As far as "opening the door for you", you can feel free to reply to me privately
Absolutely not, you asked publicly, you will get a public reply. Now I can't play with you I have to work. Enjoy your day.
Cathy
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ElwingGSP
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SH
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On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 9:58 am Paul & Andrea Owens wrote:
As far as proposals being
passed, the By Laws require that 25% of the membership be present and
I don't think that was verified and could be part of the reason for
any delay.
GSPCA By-Laws, Article III Meetings [in its entirety]
SECTION 3. Quorum for Annual Meeting, or Special
Meeting. The quorum for the Annual Meeting or for a Special Meeting of
the Club shall be twenty-five percent (25%) of the members in good
standing. If less than twenty-five percent (25%) of the members in good
standing are present at any meeting, proposals may be discussed and
voted upon, but any proposal approved by vote at the meeting must be
submitted to the entire membership for vote by mail, and shall not be
considered to be adopted unless approved by a majority of the members
whose mail ballots are returned to the Secretary by a specified date
which shall not be less than thirty (30) days after the date of mailing.
Comments: There was not a quorum. Proposals were discussed and voted upon. Those proposals "MUST be submitted to the entire membership for vote by mail". I have not received my ballot, have you?
Regards,
Marty B
Cornell
Elwing Pointers
Fayetteville, Ark.
"Life is too short to hunt with an ugly dog."
http://ElwingGSP.com
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Unwillyn
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| Legitimate questions Marty - have you presented them to your section
Director or written to the Board? I have no way of knowing the
answers to your questions as I have not pursued any answers. Due to
the cost of balloting the members, I would "assume" that they might be
included on the Ballot for the election?
On Nov 22, 2010, at 8:00 AM, Marty B Cornell wrote:
>
> From: Paul & Andrea Owens
> To: gsp-l
> Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 9:48 am
> I also would like to know what the specific complaints are about the
>
> Board. These accusations are very vague. Most people I've talked to
>
> are satisfied with the Club and the way it operates. They have no
>
> issues and only get upset when other people insinuate that the Board
>
> is not keeping the members informed. The members are supposed to take
>
> the initiative to communicate their concerns to their directors. Are
>
> you saying that the section directors are not responding? I sincerely
>
> do not understand all of the controversy. I know there are members
>
> who were concerned with expenses approved by the Board last year, but
>
> that was a specific incident and it has been addressed. Maybe it is
>
> not apathy on the behalf of the members so much as there are only a
>
> relative few who are upset?
>
>
> Has the expenses issue been dealt with? How?
>
> There were a number of proposals approved by the members present and
> voting at the General Membership meeting in May. The Constitution
> and By-laws states that when a quorum is not present, those issues
> must be presented to the entire membership for vote. Have I missed
> that letter/ballot?
>
> And where are the minutes for said meeting?
>
> Regards,
>
> Marty B Cornell
> Elwing Pointers
> Fayetteville, Ark.
>
> "Life is too short to hunt with an ugly dog."
>
> http://ElwingGSP.com
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